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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 08:41 PM
on Duane and Derek & the Dominos in current (June '13) issue of Vintage Guitar magazine. Some:

"The ABB were, and are, a jam band. What Duane and his guys did was pretty much like us, except we were a sophisticated rock and roll band. The ABB played everything right in the box, but we were completely out of the box. Everything with them is orchestrated, structured, and planned out."

Speaking of Duane and the Dominos: "He really did want to join us, though."

"If Duane hadn't been on the recording, the only thing that would of been different is that all the slide guitar playing would have been in tune. Eric's slide playing was always in tune, whereas Duane's wasn't."

"Well, Duane was very good at what he did, but there was no way he could keep up with Eric Clapton. Eric's playing is completely free form, where Duane, as I said, always played within a certain parameter."

 
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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 09:06 PM
Damn did Duane bang his girlfriend? He's downgraded the band more than I can count. Eff him

 

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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 09:31 PM
Bobby seems to be one of those people who is constantly trying to build himself up by knocking others down. His ego/talent ratio is wildly out of control, and he is totally backwards on these comments....

"The ABB played everything right in the box, but we were completely out of the box. Everything with them is orchestrated, structured, and planned out."

Derek and the Dominoes were a strong live band, but when it comes to improvisation, the original ABB were on a completely different level, and much more out of the box than D+D. This is the exact reason why Live At Fillmore East is usually at or near the top of lists of great live rock albums, while In Concert isn't. Whitlock couldn't be more incorrect on this subject if he tried.

"Well, Duane was very good at what he did, but there was no way he could keep up with Eric Clapton. Eric's playing is completely free form, where Duane, as I said, always played within a certain parameter."

Eric himself would scoff at such nonsense. Again, Whitlock isn't just wrong, he is the exact polar opposite of right.

Such statements would anger me if anybody cared what Bobby Whitlock says, but they don't, so it's alright.

 
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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 09:32 PM
One of the things about Duane's guitar playing, especially when it comes to playing slide.... was his intonation was effing perfect!.

Amazes me that Whitlock of all people just doesn't quite get it about Duane. Whitlock denigrated Duane in his book and continues the same BS in the June issue of VG...

 

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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 11:32 PM
I think you are letting Whitlock off the hook to say he "doesn't get" Duane. I don't think it's that at all.

I think he very deliberately tries to downplay Duane's role in the Layla album in order to build himself up, and tries to make the Derek and the Dominoes story about Clapton and Whitlock, instead of being about Clapton and Duane.

Unfortunately for Bobby, he has lost that battle with history, and I think it pisses him off. No matter how hard he tries to rewrite the story, he will never be successful in his efforts. The reason Layla is one of the greatest albums in rock history is because of the historic meeting between two of the best guitarists who ever lived, not because of some bas-been who hasn't ever created any memorable music on his own.

 
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  posted on 4/22/2013 at 11:37 PM
whitlock is an a$$-hat of the highest magnitude. there is a reason, Clapton, and the ABB didnt want to play with him in 2009 at the 40th anniversary shows.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 03:34 AM
Seems like him and claude would get along just fine.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 08:14 AM
I've read Duane Allmans name being bandied about. But when you look at the body of musical work, one must ask the question.
Who is Bobby Whitlock?

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 08:55 AM
I think this is funny; some of these "unarmed" people in music.

Bobby,
When they can put together a SEVEN CD boxset of YOUR work
and
YOU are voted #2 in history in Rolling Stone
then I'll listen

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 09:12 AM
In reading those comments from Whitlock, I heard "The Jesus" from The Big Lebowski in my head:

"HAAAAAAA! Laughable, Man!"

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 09:16 AM
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Eric himself would scoff at such nonsense. Again, Whitlock isn't just wrong, he is the exact polar opposite of right.

Such statements would anger me if anybody cared what Bobby Whitlock says, but they don't, so it's alright.


Exact polar opposite is a good way to put it. I was always a fan of Whitlocks, but these comments are very disappointing. Take Layla for example. Without Duane's intro and Gordon's piano piece, does that song sound anything like it ended up sounding? It would probably sound more like the unplugged version from what I've come to understand. I just don't think Layla & OALS would have had near the energy without Duane. Just listen to the songs from the unreleased second album.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 09:17 AM
Bobby's comments are ABBsolutely ABBsurd.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 09:24 AM
So surprised by this, I went googling..
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2011/03/bobby-whitlock-talks-layla/

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I wrote, sang, played and produced that record. Eric and I put the band together. Thatís an incredible legacy. That and ďAll Things Must PassĒ and all of that. Since October, it was the 40th anniversary of Ericís first record that I was on; the Delaney & Bonnie & Friends box set that came out, thatís got 56 tracks that Iím on; ďAll Things Must PassĒ came out [reissued on vinyl], and Iím on all but one song on that whole thing, and now the new 40th anniversary [ďLaylaĒ] comes out. So you put that 40 years together, itís worth 160 years of great music that I was a part of. I really donít think I have any room to complain about anything.

People identify that album with Duane Allman and Eric. Thatís all right. Iíve outlived it, Iíve lived through all that. Iíve heard all that Skydog talk all these years about Duane makiní that album [Skydog was Allmanís nickname]. Lemme tell you what, our voices define that album. Thatís it. Bottom line. Our voices and our songs define Derek & the Dominos. Other than that, thatís just two guitar players goiní at it. And Duaneís completely out of tune. I mean, they put two slide guitarists at the end of ĎLaylaí and both of Ďem are out of tune. Someone asked me the other day, they said, ĎWell, do you think it would have been a different album if Duane had not been on it?í I said ĎYeah, itíd be a different album. Ericís a great slide player, and all the playing would have been exactly in tune.í
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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 10:21 AM
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I think you are letting Whitlock off the hook to say he "doesn't get" Duane. I don't think it's that at all.

I think he very deliberately tries to downplay Duane's role in the Layla album in order to build himself up, and tries to make the Derek and the Dominoes story about Clapton and Whitlock, instead of being about Clapton and Duane.

Unfortunately for Bobby, he has lost that battle with history, and I think it pisses him off. No matter how hard he tries to rewrite the story, he will never be successful in his efforts. The reason Layla is one of the greatest albums in rock history is because of the historic meeting between two of the best guitarists who ever lived, not because of some bas-been who hasn't ever created any memorable music on his own.


I think you captured his problem pretty well. He's jealous of the attention Duane gets for the D&D sessions. I think he likes to think of himself as being Eric's main man during those months of great work. It's too bad he can't handle it all with more humility....sounds ridiculous. Anyway, I enjoy what he brings to the record myself and I won't slam him as a musician. But he certainly has enlightened my perspective on him as a person with these comments.

[Edited on 4/23/2013 by Vanistheman]

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 10:33 AM
When you ask someone to recollect on something that happened forty years ago, it is completely filled with forty years of experience. In his case, it seems that the lack of notoriety in comparison did not serve him well.
 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 11:36 AM
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So surprised by this, I went googling..
http://www.americansongwriter.com/2011/03/bobby-whitlock-talks-layla/

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I wrote, sang, played and produced that record. Eric and I put the band together. Thatís an incredible legacy. That and ďAll Things Must PassĒ and all of that. Since October, it was the 40th anniversary of Ericís first record that I was on; the Delaney & Bonnie & Friends box set that came out, thatís got 56 tracks that Iím on; ďAll Things Must PassĒ came out [reissued on vinyl], and Iím on all but one song on that whole thing, and now the new 40th anniversary [ďLaylaĒ] comes out. So you put that 40 years together, itís worth 160 years of great music that I was a part of. I really donít think I have any room to complain about anything.

People identify that album with Duane Allman and Eric. Thatís all right. Iíve outlived it, Iíve lived through all that. Iíve heard all that Skydog talk all these years about Duane makiní that album [Skydog was Allmanís nickname]. Lemme tell you what, our voices define that album. Thatís it. Bottom line. Our voices and our songs define Derek & the Dominos. Other than that, thatís just two guitar players goiní at it. And Duaneís completely out of tune. I mean, they put two slide guitarists at the end of ĎLaylaí and both of Ďem are out of tune. Someone asked me the other day, they said, ĎWell, do you think it would have been a different album if Duane had not been on it?í I said ĎYeah, itíd be a different album. Ericís a great slide player, and all the playing would have been exactly in tune.í
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While Bobby is way off in his denigration of Duane Allman, he is, I think, on point, regarding the importance of the raw passionate vocals. That really makes a difference on that album. I think it is safe to say that what makes Layla (in my opinion) the single greatest album of all time is the alchemy/magic that all the different elements brought together. No one player or piece is more responsible than any other. As far as I am concerned, the late addition of Duane Allman to that mix was kile the accelerator that propelled it into light speed.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 11:45 AM
Interesting thread.

I interviewed Bobby for the Layla chapter of One Way Out and he was much, much more gracious about DA and his contributions.

He said a few things in a similar vein, but was quick to credit Duane for sparking the session. He added a lot to the chapter.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 11:59 AM
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Damn did Duane bang his girlfriend? He's downgraded the band more than I can count. Eff him

No kidding. Bobby is full of it. Yeah, you get the gig playing slide guitar on an Aretha-frakking-Franklin session by being "out of tune".

What a loser.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 12:49 PM
Wow, lots of Whitlock anger here! Gotta say that most of it seems to be justified though.

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Derek and the Dominoes were a strong live band, but when it comes to improvisation, the original ABB were on a completely different level, and much more out of the box than D+D. This is the exact reason why Live At Fillmore East is usually at or near the top of lists of great live rock albums, while In Concert isn't. Whitlock couldn't be more incorrect on this subject if he tried.


Nice summary of what's going on here.

One thing I've often wondered: Clapton has done four Crossroads benefits now, and Bobby Whitlock has not been invited to any of them. There's got to be a reason for that, although no one is saying what it is. And don't say it's because Whitlock doesn't play guitar. He could sit in with Eric's band for some tunes from Layla and everyone would be drooling to hear it.

 

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I think you are letting Whitlock off the hook to say he "doesn't get" Duane. I don't think it's that at all.

I think he very deliberately tries to downplay Duane's role in the Layla album in order to build himself up, and tries to make the Derek and the Dominoes story about Clapton and Whitlock, instead of being about Clapton and Duane.

Unfortunately for Bobby, he has lost that battle with history, and I think it pisses him off. No matter how hard he tries to rewrite the story, he will never be successful in his efforts. The reason Layla is one of the greatest albums in rock history is because of the historic meeting between two of the best guitarists who ever lived, not because of some bas-been who hasn't ever created any memorable music on his own.


You're right, I did let Whitlock off the hook. I didn't realize until reading some more of this thread especially Joe's post of an excerpt.

Sadly, Bobby has some personal issues about the Layla LP that has driven him to like you said "downplay Duane's role".

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 01:41 PM
Reading Bobby's wiki page he hasn't really done much in 40 plus years. Maybe no one wants to hear his chit.

 

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One thing I've often wondered: Clapton has done four Crossroads benefits now, and Bobby Whitlock has not been invited to any of them. There's got to be a reason for that, although no one is saying what it is. And don't say it's because Whitlock doesn't play guitar. He could sit in with Eric's band for some tunes from Layla and everyone would be drooling to hear it.


I've often wondered the same thing too. When Derek toured in Clapton's band on 06/07, and they did a bunch of D&D tunes, I thought if Clapton ever wanted to "throw Bobby a bone" like he did for Jack & Ginger in '05 with the Cream shows, and later with Winwood and the Blind Faith stuff, that would have been the time to do it. So I concluded that EC didn't work with Whitlock for one reason- he didn't want to. Why? We may never find out.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 02:52 PM
I guess the haze of heroin back then clouded his memory....sad.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 04:42 PM
I'm going to hold to the minority view that Whitlock has never gotten the credit he deserved for the record. I think he is completely off base about his comments about Duane but if you listen to some of the D&D shows right before the recording sessions, he's right that this was a killer live band. The interplay between vocalists truly made them special. it would have been a killer record without duane. Just listen to the version of Anyday they did at the Marquee Club about 2 weeks before they went to criteria. As for them being out of the box-not a chance

I agree about the alchemy making it special. But as much as the playing, the songs are what make the record. Eric has never written anything before or after that could compete with Bell Bottom Blues, Anyday, I Am Yours and Why Does Love Got to Be So Sad. Note the co-writer on (I think) all of them-Whitlock. I really believe he was the principal writer for the record.

I think a clue to the present Clapton/Whitlock relationship may be the joint appearance they did on Jools Hollands show. Whitlock was in pretty bad shape, and Eric may have been dissed or upset, because it seemed Whitlock was cold to him and maybe unappreciative of some of the things Clapton has done for him. But, if you listen to the version of Bell Bottom Blues that they did with Whitlock on lead vocal it is absolutely stunning, and it seems Whitlock truly embodies the song.

I can see Clapton not wanting to revisit a working relationship that would question his role in one of the greatest records ever

 

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  posted on 4/23/2013 at 04:49 PM
What a complete a$$wipe. Speaking evil of the dead is bad karma

 

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