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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 12:40 PM
I put this topic in the Whipping Post because well you either like 90s Dead or you don't. Well that is just how it seems sometimes to me

Any way I nominate 3-28-1994 to be on this list

Grateful Dead Live at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Set 1

Good Times
Bertha
Greatest Story Ever Told
West L.A. Fadeaway
When I Paint My Masterpiece
It Must Have Been The Roses
Beat It On Down The Line
Peggy-O
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2

Rain
Victim Or The Crime
Box Of Rain
He's Gone ->
That Would Be Something ->
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
Drums ->
Space ->
All Along The Watchtower ->
Days Between ->
Turn On Your Lovelight

Encore
Brokedown Palace

http://archive.org/details/gd1994-03-28.senn441.lynch.34561.flac16

 

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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 02:09 PM
Grateful Dead
Sandstone Ampitheatre
Bonner Springs, KS
June 25, 1991

Jack Straw
Sugaree
Walkin' Blues
Candyman
Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again
Tennessee Jed
The Music Never Stopped

Scarlet Begonias ->
Fire On The Mountain
Truckin' ->
Smokestack Lightnin' ->
He's Gone ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Comes A Time ->
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
Good Lovin'

Encore
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

http://archive.org/details/gd91-06-25.sbd.miller.26350.sbeok.shnf

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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 02:39 PM
Well in my opinion .....the GD had some bright moments post Brent Midland,but Vince Welnick was not a good fit for them,(brought in by Jerry)and don't care for the songs that were added for him to sing,mostly terrible choices for them,this set mentioned does not have that ,it is a great set list.listening to David Lemieux (,Dead Archivist)in his seaside chats ...Jerry was declining so much by then,the band not together ,like David I stopped listening to them for a while, basically with the help of friend who did not give up listening or seeing them live,gave me countless & now I consider priceless to me ,live tapes & CD 's, listening now to their peak years more often than ever,I miss that band more than ever and appreciate them beyond description !
 

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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 04:33 PM
Grateful Dead
Sept 20, 1991
Boston Garden

SET 1
Touch Of Gray
Little Red Rooster
Jack A Roe
Black Throated Wind
Stagger Lee
When I Paint My Masterpiece
Bird Song

SET 2
Help On The Way->
Slipknot!->
Fire On The Mountain
Estimated Prophet->
Truckin'->
Jam->
Drums->
Jam->
All Along The Watchtower->
Morning Dew
E: Turn On Your Love Light

 

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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 04:40 PM
Grateful Dead
Sept 10, 1991
Madison Square Garden
with Branford Marsalis on sax

SET 1
Shakedown Street->
CC Rider->
It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry
Black Throated Wind
High Time
Cassidy
Deal

SET 2
Help On The Way->
Slipknot!->
Franklin's Tower
Estimated Prophet->
Dark Star->
Drums->
Jam->
Dark Star->
Jam->
I Need A Miracle->
Standing On the Moon->
Turn On Your Love Light

E: It's All Over Now Baby Blue

 

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  posted on 4/20/2013 at 04:56 PM
Just a couple more I've listened to recently. Been listening to this era lately.

Grateful Dead Live at Boston Garden on 1991-09-24

Let The Good Times Roll, Feel Like A Stranger, Althea, It's All Over Now, High Time, Beat It On Down The Line, Big Railroad Blues, Desolation Row, New Speedway Boogie China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Women Are Smarter, Ship of Fools, Dark Star-> Drums-> Jam-> Foolish Heart-> I Need A Miracle-> Standing On the Moon-> Around & Around, E: The Weight

http://archive.org/details/gd91-09-24.sbd.allred.2374.sbeok.shnf

Grateful Dead Live at Oakland Coliseum Arena on 1992-12-17

Set I
1. crowd
2. Touch of Grey
3. Walkin Blues
4. Loser
5. Queen Jane Approximately
6. So Many Roads
7. Music Never Stopped (end set)
Set II
1. Crowd
2. Scarlet Begonias>
3. Fire on the Mountain*
4. Long Way to go Home*
5. Corinna>*
6. Uncle John's Band>*
7. PITB reprise>
8. Drums>
1. Space>
2. The Last Time>
3. Here Comes Sunshine>
4. Throwing Stones>
5. Not Fade Away
6. Crowd
7. E:Baba O'Reilly>
Tomorrow Never Knows

http://archive.org/details/gd1992-12-17.fob.neumann.copeland.gems.79732.sbe ok.flac16

Grateful Dead Live at Deer Creek Music Center on 1993-06-21

Jack Straw, Friend Of The Devil, Spoonful, Jack A Roe, Black Throated Wind, Loose Lucy, Eternity, So Many Roads, Promised Land Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, Women Are Smarter-> Ship of Fools, Corinna-> Drums-> Jam-> The Last Time-> Black Peter-> Around & Around, E: I Fought The Law

http://archive.org/details/gd93-06-21.sbd.braverman.14121.sbeok.shnf

 

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  posted on 4/26/2013 at 12:23 PM
I did the left coast Spring Shoreline and Cal Expo shows in 93. They did three nights in each place. On the night off we did Laguna Seca Daze, which the ABB headlined. What a great time that was. Anyway, check out the Dead shows from that run. There is a Playin from the Cal expo show that I will put against anything from the 70s. They also had some crazy setlists going too. I think it may have been the first time Cassidy was every played in the second set and segue into something else. Cassidy>UJB>Cassidy

5/25/93-5/27/93 are some great shows. Those were the three from Cal Expo. I think the band actually just released parts of these shows. They definitely captured some of the old magic. We also saw the show at Buckeye Lake a few weeks later, which was solid.

Also, I think perhaps some of the best post Brent shows are the two from June of 91 at Giants Stadium. They should really be released by the band.

 

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  posted on 4/26/2013 at 12:24 PM
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Grateful Dead
Sept 10, 1991
Madison Square Garden
with Branford Marsalis on sax

SET 1
Shakedown Street->
CC Rider->
It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry
Black Throated Wind
High Time
Cassidy
Deal

SET 2
Help On The Way->
Slipknot!->
Franklin's Tower
Estimated Prophet->
Dark Star->
Drums->
Jam->
Dark Star->
Jam->
I Need A Miracle->
Standing On the Moon->
Turn On Your Love Light

E: It's All Over Now Baby Blue


Love this one. Thanks for the reminder.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2013 at 03:41 PM
6/21/93 was the first show Maggie and I went to for our honeymoon! We saw three shows at Deer Creek and two at RFK in DC, then did a week at the beach. I particularly loved hearing Jack A Roe the first night; the last lines are"This couple they got married so well they did agree/ This couple they got married so what of you and me? Oh, what of you and me?" Some fellow near us loved the encore, he kept singing "I fought the law and I WON!!!" Never did find out what that story was...

Another post-Brent show that sticks out for me is 6/20/92 at RFK. http://archive.org/details/gd92-06-20.dsbd.gardner.2207.sbefail.shnf Steve Miller opened and joined the Dead for the last part of second set and the encore. Oh, and Mickey Hart had a memorable horn solo- just look it up. Oh, and they pulled out Casey Jones for the first time in 8 years....Yeah, a fun night.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2013 at 10:30 AM
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I put this topic in the Whipping Post because well you either like 90s Dead or you don't. Well that is just how it seems sometimes to me

Any way I nominate 3-28-1994 to be on this list

Grateful Dead Live at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
Set 1

Good Times
Bertha
Greatest Story Ever Told
West L.A. Fadeaway
When I Paint My Masterpiece
It Must Have Been The Roses
Beat It On Down The Line
Peggy-O
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2

Rain
Victim Or The Crime
Box Of Rain
He's Gone ->
That Would Be Something ->
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
Drums ->
Space ->
All Along The Watchtower ->
Days Between ->
Turn On Your Lovelight

Encore
Brokedown Palace

http://archive.org/details/gd1994-03-28.senn441.lynch.34561.flac16


I'm quite fond of almost all of the June 1991 shows... or most of them. I'll post a link later, but I think it's 6-17-91 that is stellar.

I seem to find a lot of songs from 93-95 that are stellar, but not necessarily entire shows.

I like versions of "Lazy River Road" and "So Many Roads" where Vince started using really nice piano sounds and limits the synth sounds. I actually love his playing when he gets to use piano and organ sounds and not synth sounds... like check out the piano solo in "Promised Land" from 3/18/95... unfortunately Jerry is really up-and-down in this period.

I also notice in those later shows Mickey is playing more percussion on some of those songs, whereas Bill is playing drums as a kit and I like that a lot too...

Oh... "Ramble On Rose" from 3/10/93 always seemed like a particularly awesome version. Really tight, great harmonies ... sounds as close to the 70's as the 90's possibly can.

 

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  posted on 5/1/2013 at 12:21 PM
With Vince did they ever let him choose the tones his keyboard made or was someone else doing it?

 

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  posted on 5/1/2013 at 12:46 PM
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With Vince did they ever let him choose the tones his keyboard made or was someone else doing it?


You know, I met Vince a couple times and he wasn't clear on that subject. I have heard many times that Bob Bralove programmed the sounds and that Vince only got to choose from those sounds. I'm not 100% sure on that.

I think Vince takes too bad of wrap. I understand why a lot of times, but like I said, there are times the late 90's where if Jerry would have been in top form, they really had something great going on. If I wasn't at work, I'd love to not only site specific examples, but post samples.

Although to each his own anyway. I can actual understand most critism about the Dead. But at the same time it seems petty. It's weird with a lot of deadheads (particularly on the internet), they can be overly critical and whiny. They're always against each other... "this is the only worthy era", "anything with Vince is crap", "Only the Keith era matters", "I only like Brent in 89", etc. but you know, for me, they had 12 different musical members throughout 30 years and everyone brought something different. I don't really compare "which is better", I just take them for what they are.

 

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You know, I met Vince a couple times and he wasn't clear on that subject. I have heard many times that Bob Bralove programmed the sounds and that Vince only got to choose from those sounds. I'm not 100% sure on that.



A quick google search turned up this 1995 interview with Vince. Reading between the lines it sounds like he had input into the sounds.

http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/welnick9503.html

 

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With Vince did they ever let him choose the tones his keyboard made or was someone else doing it?


You know, I met Vince a couple times and he wasn't clear on that subject. I have heard many times that Bob Bralove programmed the sounds and that Vince only got to choose from those sounds. I'm not 100% sure on that.



A quick google search turned up this 1995 interview with Vince. Reading between the lines it sounds like he had input into the sounds.

http://www.auburn.edu/~vestmon/welnick9503.html



That's what I mean, there seems to be conflicting accounts, even from himself while talking to him directly. - I certainly can't imagine anyone in any band playing an instrument and having NO control of the sound or tone of it...

We only discussed this the 2nd time I met him and he was very down about things that time. He was very hard on himself about things that, to me, he shouldn't have been. But then knowing what had happened (which I didn't know at the time) it makes a lot more sense.

So I can only guess that because Bob Bralove was the programmer, he created the sounds, but Vince actually chose those sounds while playing. You can clearly see Vince switching sounds on his keyboards when playing with the Dead in some videos.

The thing is that Brent used a lot of horrible sounds too... although it WAS the 80's and most synth sounds were pretty bad back then. I particularly hate the really horrible fake piano sound of the late 80's, which Brent used to death (of course, what else could he use?) which is a shame because his playing was wonderful.

I also think some of the mid sounds both Bob & Jerry used on their guitars were pretty bad...

But none of these things are serious complaints on my end. The sounds are all signs of the times.

Also important to note. The first time i met Vince (along with other members of The Dead and Traffic) it was because I was with a rep from Hammond... When they took Vince on, it was decided that they wanted to get rid of the huge keyboard rigs and use a single (or maybe double) keyboard and all the sounds would be midi in... That's where Bob Bralove comes in. However after a couple years, although the piano sounds immensely in that period, the organ sounds were not great. Hammond had developed the XB-2 & the XB-3, which are digital version of the Hammond B-3. Basically they were intended to be as close to a B-3 as possible without using a B-3 at the time... We talked extensively with Steve Winwood and it was interesting to hear what he thought about digital Hammond's.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2013 at 12:40 AM
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With Vince did they ever let him choose the tones his keyboard made or was someone else doing it?


You know, I met Vince a couple times and he wasn't clear on that subject. I have heard many times that Bob Bralove programmed the sounds and that Vince only got to choose from those sounds. I'm not 100% sure on that.

I think Vince takes too bad of wrap. I understand why a lot of times, but like I said, there are times the late 90's where if Jerry would have been in top form, they really had something great going on. If I wasn't at work, I'd love to not only site specific examples, but post samples.

Although to each his own anyway. I can actual understand most critism about the Dead. But at the same time it seems petty. It's weird with a lot of deadheads (particularly on the internet), they can be overly critical and whiny. They're always against each other... "this is the only worthy era", "anything with Vince is crap", "Only the Keith era matters", "I only like Brent in 89", etc. but you know, for me, they had 12 different musical members throughout 30 years and everyone brought something different. I don't really compare "which is better", I just take them for what they are.


For me I think all eras from 1965-2013 matter. I never got to see the Grateful Dead because they ended when I was seven. But over the last few years I have really gotten into there music and have seen Furthur and the Mickey Hart Band. To me each era is its own "beast" with the good and the bad and I enjoy them all for different reasons. But the biggest reason is when I listen to this music it makes me happy and want to dance. I get this from a 69 show or a 95 or a Ratdog show.

 

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With Vince did they ever let him choose the tones his keyboard made or was someone else doing it?


You know, I met Vince a couple times and he wasn't clear on that subject. I have heard many times that Bob Bralove programmed the sounds and that Vince only got to choose from those sounds. I'm not 100% sure on that.

I think Vince takes too bad of wrap. I understand why a lot of times, but like I said, there are times the late 90's where if Jerry would have been in top form, they really had something great going on. If I wasn't at work, I'd love to not only site specific examples, but post samples.

Although to each his own anyway. I can actual understand most critism about the Dead. But at the same time it seems petty. It's weird with a lot of deadheads (particularly on the internet), they can be overly critical and whiny. They're always against each other... "this is the only worthy era", "anything with Vince is crap", "Only the Keith era matters", "I only like Brent in 89", etc. but you know, for me, they had 12 different musical members throughout 30 years and everyone brought something different. I don't really compare "which is better", I just take them for what they are.


For me I think all eras from 1965-2013 matter. I never got to see the Grateful Dead because they ended when I was seven. But over the last few years I have really gotten into there music and have seen Furthur and the Mickey Hart Band. To me each era is its own "beast" with the good and the bad and I enjoy them all for different reasons. But the biggest reason is when I listen to this music it makes me happy and want to dance. I get this from a 69 show or a 95 or a Ratdog show.


Awesome, excellent attitude. - I don't post that much, but I read these boards a lot and you have a great attitude about music and I love it!

 
 


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