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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 10:02 PM
Sept. 23 2000 Alltel Pav. Allman Brothers Band with J. Herring. In my very humble opinion the best show in a very long time. Derek and Jimmy doing Statesboro Blues is almost as good as Duane and Dickey, yeah I said it. Les Bres In A Minor I don't have the words to discribe his solo , Loan Me A Dime which to qoute Marley " the band owened that year" is outstanding , and of course Franklin's Tower with Derek and Jimmy is as good as that song gets and it's a fine song. Anyway thats my run on it. I do have two other shows from Jimmy's run with the ABB one which I was luckey enough to attend and this still kills everything I've heard, Derek and Jimmy doing the songs I love,
now that priceless. Thanks Paul for the show.

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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 10:17 PM
and how could I forget Jessica. mmmm Jessica

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  posted on 2/3/2004 at 10:02 AM
I've been listening to this show like crazy lately. With respect to the other lineups, it's probably the best ABB I've heard since Duane. Herring is the most skilled guitarist they've ever had in my opinion, and he takes the band to a whole new level on this one.

The sad thing is, I was living in Raleigh at the time but wasn't really into the Brothers then. I lived about fifteen minutes from Alltel Pavillion and probably didn't even know they were playing. Oh well.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2004 at 03:37 AM
I've been digging the 8/16/00 show alot lately. Great High Falls, Mnt Jam.

Derek and Jimmy were really brothers in some lifetime. They have
a special connection. Hope that Jimmy sits in on some of the
Dead/ABB dates .

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  posted on 2/4/2004 at 09:48 AM
I'm also listening to 8/7/97 with Dickey and Jack Pearson. I would love to hear Jimmy and Jack playing together, their styles seem very complimentary. Jack even sounds a little Herring-esque without the slide. Anyone know if they've ever shared a stage?

 

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  posted on 2/4/2004 at 10:02 AM
Only once I think, at an ARU gig in Breckenridge (?) in April or May 1997. I think Jack had just been given the ABB gig and wanted to hang with Otiel for a bit to get to know him. As far as I know, that's the only time they've played together. Still yet to find a recording of it!

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  posted on 2/4/2004 at 04:11 PM
You can find pics of that gig in ARU's web-site, hosted right here by HTW:

http://www.aquariumrescueunit.com/index.php?module=My_eGallery&func=main

The date isn't in fact May 22nd....that's has to do with when the photographer (Sean O'Rourke....ARU's drummer) uploaded or downloaded or transferred pics from his camera. As far as the "when" question, SlideJules may be right that it was before the first ABB tour with Jack and Oteil, which would be April or May. It definitely was 1997. My recollection though was that it was between legs of that year's ABB summer tour, when ARU would pick up shows during ABB's down time. ABB started up the second leg of that tour August 7th at Red Rocks, which is geographically close to Breckenridge (where the ARU gig indeed occurred). So my guess is that ARU w/ Jack gig was early August 1997, just before Jack and Oteil had to report for "duty" with the ABB. My $0.02.










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  posted on 2/4/2004 at 10:08 PM
Jimmy is great.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 04:31 AM
Jimmy and Jack would be a great team. I've got one show where Jack sits in with Derek's band, and much of the playing there wouldn't sound unusual coming from Jimmy. Probably the two fastest players to ever come from Allman land, and distinct guitar tones as well.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2004 at 10:13 AM
I was just talking with a buddy of mine who was at the 9/23/00 show. He said he read an interview with some of the ABB guys a while back, and they were talking about playing with Herring. Apparently when they were first rehearsing with him he was holding back, trying to play as much like Dickey as possible. They told him they wanted Jimmy, not Dickey, and just let it rip. So he did.

Butch said he actually stopped playing during that Les Brers jam because Jimmy was tearing it up so badly, and he just wanted to listen. They cut the jam short after Jimmy's solo because everyone was so blown away. You know how nasty you have to be to stop an ABB jam in its tracks?

 

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  posted on 2/8/2004 at 01:02 AM
Wow, some high praise for this show. Would anybody be willing to trade for it? Just click on my www link and if there's anything you'd be interested in send me a pm or email to dmiller863@hotmail.com. Thanks a lot.
 

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  posted on 2/8/2004 at 02:41 AM
Check your PM's.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2004 at 07:19 PM
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  posted on 2/17/2004 at 04:44 PM
In the middle of listening to this show, Wow! Thanks so much Jesse! Jimmy's guitar is tuned so that when he plays fret it sometimes sounds like he's playing slide, I really almost thought he was playing slide during Statesboro. His solo in Les Brers is spectacular. Definitely the most technically accomplished ABB guitarist.
 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 12:10 AM
I remember being at the 9/23/00 show and being absolutely flabbergasted. What Mr. Herring did to the guitar was diabolical. I was already a huge Herring man, so when I heard that he was replacing Dickey, I tried to make it to every show possible that summer. I was only 17, and definitely not ready for what was in store. The Mountain Jam and Les Brers from Summer 2000 are magical.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2004 at 06:11 PM
This show is pure smoke!!!!
THANK YOU ROBERTSON!!!

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  posted on 3/3/2004 at 11:14 PM
How 'bout that Mountain Jam, huh?

 

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  posted on 3/4/2004 at 01:57 AM
I think Jimmy plays in standard tuning, dmiller. He just gets a really distinctive tone.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2004 at 12:03 AM
I have stated this many many times when the subject of 9/23/00 comes up...
That Les Brers is a complete and utter mind-blower! There has never been a better version from ANY lineup! Jimmy's solo is as good as anything I've ever heard. Soaring violin-like tones, ultimate riffs in a chromatic style, his phrasing, the choice of notes, the tension and release is complete PERFECTION! Bottle it and put it in a time capsule...It don't get any better than that one!

Yes, there were other highlights from that show too like Jessica and Mtn Jam as well. On the whole though todays band is tighter and much more solid song for song. Tunes like AWTNM, Trouble No More and a bunch of others have come light years since 2000. But certainly this show had its stellar moments for sure... Has their ever been someone who has had to handle a lead-guitar slot with more pressure on them than what Jimmy went through back then? I don't think so...

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  posted on 3/5/2004 at 09:57 AM
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I think Jimmy plays in standard tuning, dmiller. He just gets a really distinctive tone.

Jimmy occasionally uses Z tuning, but never during his stint with the Brothers as far as I know.

Eddie, that's right on. Les Brers from 9/23/00 is musical perfection as far as I'm concerned. Mountain Jam is awesome too - not to be overlooked. I've been guilty of focusing so much on that Les Brers that I haven't given the rest of the show as much attention as it deserved.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2004 at 06:11 PM
Z tuning??


Hehe. My mom heard the Les Brers solo and she said that, "That guitarist is boring". I had to wipe the drool and the tears and explain how amazing he is.

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  posted on 3/5/2004 at 07:15 PM
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Z tuning??


I've seen him do this with Project Z. It's nuts - definitely not something you want to try at home. Or on stage. Especially on stage. I call it Z tuning - it seems to fit.

For certain tunes, he and (bassist) Ricky Keller would grab their tuning pegs and start randomly twisting them until their instruments were completely out of tune. Then they would play! The concept is, it forced them to think outside the box and not rely on the patterns and licks they were accustomed to, improvisation at its purest form so to speak, the pure embodiment of Z. You can hear examples of it on the Project Z album - I forget which songs exactly, but there are at least two I think where they're completely out of tune. You can tell, but only if you know what to listen for.

 

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  posted on 3/6/2004 at 12:53 AM
I just had a sobering thought - should we even make this show available to newbies? Considering it will pretty much ruin them for any other show they'll ever listen to?!?! I wonder how many people have stopped trading altogether because of this show...

What have I done!?!?!?

 

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  posted on 3/30/2004 at 04:41 PM
"Yes, there were other highlights from that show too like Jessica and Mtn Jam as well. On the whole though todays band is tighter and much more solid song for song."

I just listened to this again and agree with the above opinion. Jimmy was great when it came to the long instrumentals with lots of improv. He can solo with the best of them, and these versions of Jessica, Les Brers and Mountain Jam are truly epic, top notch jams.

However, I don't feel that he played as well as Warren does on the bluesy tunes and the ones that require more "muscle." Keep in mind that Jimmy's strongest tunes tended to be the Dickey Betts instrumentals, and if they were still playing two or three of those a night the band would never hear the end of people claiming they were riding on Dickey's coattails.

Jimmy is a wonderful musician, great guy, and really did a fine job in a difficult situation. However, Warren is a better fit in the long run in my opinion, and I wouldn't trade the current lineup for any other conceivable collection of musicians.

 
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  posted on 3/30/2004 at 08:52 PM
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However, I don't feel that he played as well as Warren does on the bluesy tunes and the ones that require more "muscle." Keep in mind that Jimmy's strongest tunes tended to be the Dickey Betts instrumentals, and if they were still playing two or three of those a night the band would never hear the end of people claiming they were riding on Dickey's coattails. -"TRUE"
Jimmy is a wonderful musician, great guy, and really did a fine job in a difficult situation. However, Warren is a better fit in the long run in my opinion, and I wouldn't trade the current lineup for any other conceivable collection of musicians.


Well Rob, you agreed with me and now I'll agree with you too.
There is no bigger Jimmy Herring fan than me!...but Warren is a MUCH better fit for this band than Jimmy is. Jimmy found his home with PLQ, The Dead and his occasional side projects. He is a wonderful talent...

If Warren never rejoined this band they would not of had nearly the success they have had especially with the new songs and new covers. "Hittin The Note" might not have happened without Warren and even if it did it wouldn't have had the impact that only a Gregg/Warren duo writing team could produce. Warrens bluesy style both with the guitar and vocally as well is a perfect fit for The Brothers...and he already had an 8 year history with the band....

to sum up... the original topic of 9/23/00 was a great show but it absolutely doesn't even come close to what we just heard at The Beacon!...it should not even be mentioned in the same breath as what we just witnessed!

 
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