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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 06:51 PM
With all of those high powered guns around at one place at one time and not personally knowing anyone other than who I was there with you never know when someone is gonna bug out and start shooting everyone up.

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 08:35 PM
What??? How can this happen??? I thought everyone is suppose to be safer at gun shows and gun ranges because everyone is armed. At least that is what all the Facebook posts and forwarded emails keep saying.
 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 09:09 PM
Considering Iraq never attacked America on 9/11, and doesn't have WMDs, the war was totally illegal under any reasonable international norms. The 160 people who Chris Kyle shot dead were merely defending their country against the invader - not unlike what we would do if another country was to invade us. It is too bad that US soldiers were pawns of the criminal Bush enterprise. A hero? No. Here merely followed orders and tried to make the best out of a very bad situation,

 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 07:53 PM
Chris Kyle's title of his own book says it all. He was proud of all the "insurgents" he killed. It's sad when anyone dies. It was said when Chris Kyle died along with his friend, and it was sad when those 160 "insurgents" died. Kyle was doing his job, but there was no reason to glorify his role in a book and hit the talk show circuit to further promote himself. Hero? Not in my book. True heroes don't have to self-proclaim that title - they have it given to them by the public. Obviously I don't know him, but he portrayed himself as someone who enjoyed killing. I can't say I'm surprised by what happened. So much for the arguement of arming the good guys to stop the bad guys.
 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 08:53 PM
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Obviously I don't know him, but he portrayed himself as someone who enjoyed killing. I can't say I'm surprised by what happened.


That's true, no surprise at all. Military vets often shoot each other on the gun range. When Kyle showed up at the facility, he should have known he might get shot in the back.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 09:01 PM
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Obviously I don't know him, but he portrayed himself as someone who enjoyed killing. I can't say I'm surprised by what happened.


That's true, no surprise at all. Military vets often shoot each other on the gun range. When Kyle showed up at the facility, he should have known he might get shot in the back.


Sarcasm, right?

 

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Obviously I don't know him, but he portrayed himself as someone who enjoyed killing. I can't say I'm surprised by what happened.


That's true, no surprise at all. Military vets often shoot each other on the gun range. When Kyle showed up at the facility, he should have known he might get shot in the back.


Sarcasm, right?


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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 10:49 PM
Sorry you have to resort to sarcasm to make a vague point, but I'm just not surprised by the story.
 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 10:39 PM
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Chris Kyle's title of his own book says it all. He was proud of all the "insurgents" he killed. It's sad when anyone dies. It was said when Chris Kyle died along with his friend, and it was sad when those 160 "insurgents" died. Kyle was doing his job, but there was no reason to glorify his role in a book and hit the talk show circuit to further promote himself. Hero? Not in my book. True heroes don't have to self-proclaim that title - they have it given to them by the public. Obviously I don't know him, but he portrayed himself as someone who enjoyed killing. I can't say I'm surprised by what happened. So much for the arguement of arming the good guys to stop the bad guys.


I don't think its sad that 160 enemies of this country died. I think that it's sad that we live in a world where anyone has to die. But I recognize that we do.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 07:33 PM
dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?


 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 07:53 PM
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Considering Iraq never attacked America on 9/11, and doesn't have WMDs, the war was totally illegal under any reasonable international norms. The 160 people who Chris Kyle shot dead were merely defending their country against the invader - not unlike what we would do if another country was to invade us. It is too bad that US soldiers were pawns of the criminal Bush enterprise. A hero? No. Here merely followed orders and tried to make the best out of a very bad situation,


Why don't you use your investigative prowess and tell us who started the "Iraq has WMDs" story.

Also, if you fact check yourself, you'll find that the ones he had to shoot were already shooting at his fellow marines.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 07:57 PM
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Sorry you have to resort to sarcasm to make a vague point, but I'm just not surprised by the story.


When it came out that the shooter has PTSD, I was surprised that they had taken him to the gun range. Not a smart idea for someone suffering that to be at a place with battlefield noises.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 08:22 PM
Agreed Jerry.
 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 10:36 PM
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dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?




Not in the slightest. I am sad that we live in an imperfect world. That said I fully support protecting our people and other innocents in that imperfect world. And let's cut the crap about "we invaded them." The Iraq war may have been a mistake for a multitude of reasons. But in overthrowing Hussein we removed millions of people from the yoke of a brutal tyrant. The people we ended up fighting were largely foreign fighters connected to Al Quaeda or Hussein's die hards who richly deserved their fate. All have massive innocent blood on their hands and none wanted to see a free Iraq liberated by the U.S. for reasons of their own.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 10:37 PM
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Sorry you have to resort to sarcasm to make a vague point, but I'm just not surprised by the story.


When it came out that the shooter has PTSD, I was surprised that they had taken him to the gun range. Not a smart idea for someone suffering that to be at a place with battlefield noises.


That is certainly true. Bringing someone suffering from shell shock to a firing range doesn't seem the smartest thing to do.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 06:00 AM
I remember when Janet Napolitano took a ton of criticism for saying returning Iraqi and Afghan veterans with ptsd might be a potential threat to go off like this. Looks like she was 100% right.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 01:33 PM
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I remember when Janet Napolitano took a ton of criticism for saying returning Iraqi and Afghan veterans with ptsd might be a potential threat to go off like this. Looks like she was 100% right.


Not only that but he's pro-life, wants the government to balance their budget, thinks taxes are too high, along with other nutty extremist ideas....Exactly the type out spraying gunfire all over the place. He probably watches Fox News and listens to Rush Limbaugh too!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 02:47 PM
You need more hugs, allok!!
 

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I remember when Janet Napolitano took a ton of criticism for saying returning Iraqi and Afghan veterans with ptsd might be a potential threat to go off like this. Looks like she was 100% right.


Not only that but he's pro-life, wants the government to balance their budget, thinks taxes are too high, along with other nutty extremist ideas....Exactly the type out spraying gunfire all over the place. He probably watches Fox News and listens to Rush Limbaugh too!

Are you having a blizzard party, too? Must be a few drinks ahead of me.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 03:41 PM
Yea, you never know when the "Drone Ranger" my start issuing target packages on gun ranges.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 04:09 PM
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dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?




Not in the slightest. I am sad that we live in an imperfect world. That said I fully support protecting our people and other innocents in that imperfect world. And let's cut the crap about "we invaded them." The Iraq war may have been a mistake for a multitude of reasons. But in overthrowing Hussein we removed millions of people from the yoke of a brutal tyrant. The people we ended up fighting were largely foreign fighters connected to Al Quaeda or Hussein's die hards who richly deserved their fate. All have massive innocent blood on their hands and none wanted to see a free Iraq liberated by the U.S. for reasons of their own.


Were the US military invited or aid requested? No.

You invaded them. Not passing judgement but facts are facts. Also the civilians killed and there were plenty were innocent so plenty of that blood to go around. Killed by Iraqis or Americans, either way dead is dead. Liberated? That's funny. I'm sure their lives are perfect now. Are they liberated or just survivors?

 

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dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?




Not in the slightest. I am sad that we live in an imperfect world. That said I fully support protecting our people and other innocents in that imperfect world. And let's cut the crap about "we invaded them." The Iraq war may have been a mistake for a multitude of reasons. But in overthrowing Hussein we removed millions of people from the yoke of a brutal tyrant. The people we ended up fighting were largely foreign fighters connected to Al Quaeda or Hussein's die hards who richly deserved their fate. All have massive innocent blood on their hands and none wanted to see a free Iraq liberated by the U.S. for reasons of their own.


Were the US military invited or aid requested? No.

You invaded them. Not passing judgement but facts are facts. Also the civilians killed and there were plenty were innocent so plenty of that blood to go around. Killed by Iraqis or Americans, either way dead is dead. Liberated? That's funny. I'm sure their lives are perfect now. Are they liberated or just survivors?


Don't argue with neoconservative logic. It will never make any sense.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2013 at 04:27 PM
And I thought it was just plain logic.

 

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dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?




Not in the slightest. I am sad that we live in an imperfect world. That said I fully support protecting our people and other innocents in that imperfect world. And let's cut the crap about "we invaded them." The Iraq war may have been a mistake for a multitude of reasons. But in overthrowing Hussein we removed millions of people from the yoke of a brutal tyrant. The people we ended up fighting were largely foreign fighters connected to Al Quaeda or Hussein's die hards who richly deserved their fate. All have massive innocent blood on their hands and none wanted to see a free Iraq liberated by the U.S. for reasons of their own.


Were the US military invited or aid requested? No.

You invaded them. Not passing judgement but facts are facts. Also the civilians killed and there were plenty were innocent so plenty of that blood to go around. Killed by Iraqis or Americans, either way dead is dead. Liberated? That's funny. I'm sure their lives are perfect now. Are they liberated or just survivors?


They were liberated from a horrific tyrant on the scale of a Stalin or Hitler. He mass murdered many thousands. The only ones who were better off under him were his fellow minority Sunnis. Again I will repeat whatever the merits of the decision to overthrow him (or lack thereof) this was not a war of conquest but of liberation. Hussein was overthrown in weeks and the Iraqi armed forces dissolved. The insurgency that came afterwards was a combination of Hussein's dead enders and Al Quaeda fighters. The country was liberated from a tyrant. Even if the situation is bad now it is still much better than it was under the totalitarian Hussein and his psychopathic sons. To claim otherwise is total revisionism.

 

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dougrhon, isn't that a contradiction? You say it's sad when anyone has to die, but not if it's our enemies. Were they really our enemies? As playallnite pointed out, they never attacked us, nor did they have WMD's, and we invaded them. Are they truly enemies, or did we just label them as such to justify an invasion?




Not in the slightest. I am sad that we live in an imperfect world. That said I fully support protecting our people and other innocents in that imperfect world. And let's cut the crap about "we invaded them." The Iraq war may have been a mistake for a multitude of reasons. But in overthrowing Hussein we removed millions of people from the yoke of a brutal tyrant. The people we ended up fighting were largely foreign fighters connected to Al Quaeda or Hussein's die hards who richly deserved their fate. All have massive innocent blood on their hands and none wanted to see a free Iraq liberated by the U.S. for reasons of their own.


Were the US military invited or aid requested? No.

You invaded them. Not passing judgement but facts are facts. Also the civilians killed and there were plenty were innocent so plenty of that blood to go around. Killed by Iraqis or Americans, either way dead is dead. Liberated? That's funny. I'm sure their lives are perfect now. Are they liberated or just survivors?


Don't argue with neoconservative logic. It will never make any sense.


Not to you perhaps. But then I don't get "liberal" logic.

 

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