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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 07:56 AM
Reading the front page, does this mean the ABB are done soon? I can't believe no one has commented on this, but if this year is the last Beacon show, what else is left for them? Crossroads and Wanee and then thats it? That is pretty much what I thought I read there, but not 1 thread or comment about it on here made me think I read it wrong.
 
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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 08:01 AM
I believe that they mean final show of this year's run.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 08:07 AM
I am wondering how long they can keep doing the Beacon Shows. I think "they " can if they want to , but how long will the demand be there from the public with increasing tix prices, lack of new material, band members focus on other projects and etc....

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 10:29 AM
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I am wondering how long they can keep doing the Beacon Shows. I think "they " can if they want to , but how long will the demand be there from the public with increasing tix prices, lack of new material, band members focus on other projects and etc....


If the robust sales this yr are any indication, I'd say the band gives up before demand withers.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 10:52 AM
I doubt even the band knows the answer to that question. Gregg's health and Butch's knee/hip are ongoing concerns that can only be monitored on a yearly basis. Just my guess. Butch has had both a knee and a hip replacement. Jaimoe seems to be doing fine and of course the other four are significantly younger.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 10:54 AM
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I doubt even the band knows the answer to that question. Gregg's health and Butch's knee/hip are ongoing concerns that can only be monitored on a yearly basis. Just my guess. Butch has had both a knee and a hip replacement. Jaimoe seems to be doing fine and of course the other four are significantly younger.

The demand is still there, but I think the customer base has been shifting away from devoted fans and towards people with deep pockets or expense accounts (i.e. businesses entertaining customers)

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 11:00 AM
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I am wondering how long they can keep doing the Beacon Shows. I think "they " can if they want to , but how long will the demand be there from the public with increasing tix prices, lack of new material, band members focus on other projects and etc....


Lack of new material has little to do with demand, IMO.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 11:10 AM
I would like to see a tour. It seems like they are doing the festivals and the Beacon run with a few shows here and there. I am sure with Greggs health, a full blown tour is most likely out of the question.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 12:19 PM
I read it as the final Beacon show for 2013.


at this stage of the game, they are garnering greater attention then in years past, possibly due to the recognition of Warren, Derek and Susan and their bands ,Grammy noms and awards.

If that means higher dollar customers, good for them, they earned it imho

I personally, would love to see the Brothers continue the GAF tradition of playing some of the finer, more intimate theatres, perhaps doing 3 night runs as they have at the Fox in hot 'Lanta. Lordy, that was great .

Bring the music to the people, not everyone can get away to New York City for a mini-Allman Brothers vacation package, Ya know?

folks have been complaining about prices, i got news for Ya'll, there are tribute bands (Beatles, Credence, Neil Diamond, even Rob Stewart who claims to be Rod's brother playing FLA that charge more then Ive ever paid to see the real deal. Just sayin.


I would love to see the Brothers play, say, the Van Wezel in Sarasota, BB Mann, the Lyric on FLA's East Coast to name a few..

Especially this time of year, our weather is gorgeous..seafood is sweeter with the colder water temps, fresh fruits , berries, citrus and veggies are being harvested as up North in the Fall..its not rocket science, its common sense. Its the good life.

It may not bring the big NYC bucks, but surely it would be profitable and fun.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 12:48 PM
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I am wondering how long they can keep doing the Beacon Shows. I think "they " can if they want to , but how long will the demand be there from the public with increasing tix prices, lack of new material, band members focus on other projects and etc....


As long as they want to do it. They are playing 11 nights so even if demand declined and they lost one or two shows each year, that would still give them another 5 - 10 years if they wanted.

As for prices, it is NYC. Everything is expensive there.

New material doesn't matter at all. Only a fraction of people at ABB shows even have HTN and in truth ticket sales on tour continued to decline after its' release.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 03:19 PM
The ABB will keep going as long as they can.. Carrying on through all of Gregg's recent and past health issues and came out on top.. they will continue as a band . There is a love of music, showmanship, love for what they do and the other draw is money... it is their career and why stop if they are in sync and all is good... and they are having fun doing it.. it's 2 weeks at Beacon , then Wanee and whatever else comes up.. Sounds good to me..
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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 05:35 PM
My understanding was that the road goes on forever...

For those moaning about ticket prices, you can thank illegal downloading for that. Their revenue stream from that has dried up. I am surprised they aren't doing meet and greets for even more money (or are they?).

I will see them at Wanee.

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 06:42 PM
Actually, streaming is what is killing royalties now, not necessarily illegal downloads. A large enough amount of people had converted to paying for a good portion of their collection over the last decade to create some serious revenue, particularly after iTunes & other services became legit options (now, the artists had a beef that they weren't collecting a high enough percentage of those download revenues but that's a different issue).

On a related note, I found it interesting that Gregg repeatedly talked about T-Bone Burnett giving him a data disk with lots of songs on it when they were picking out blues tunes to record for Low Country Blues. Note that Gregg wasn't given a list for him to pay to download or told where he could buy the CDs that contained these songs. Copies were given to him. I'm someone who likes to pay for my music in a legit way, but I don't think there is a music fan out there without a copy of some music that found it's way into their hands for free that in fact was not given away by the artist or record company (not talking about live show trading).

 

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  posted on 2/4/2013 at 09:35 PM


The demand is still there, but I think the customer base has been shifting away from devoted fans and towards people with deep pockets or expense accounts (i.e. businesses entertaining customers)


Bob, this is so right on the money. This years various ticket opportunities has shown us the future of ticket sales.
I enjoy the camaraderie at the shows which for me includes having a drink or food with friends before and after the show and other events like the HTN Party. I believe we will see less and less true fan participation in these activities because of the higher ticket prices.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 07:20 AM
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The demand is still there, but I think the customer base has been shifting away from devoted fans and towards people with deep pockets or expense accounts (i.e. businesses entertaining customers)


Bob, this is so right on the money. This years various ticket opportunities has shown us the future of ticket sales.
I enjoy the camaraderie at the shows which for me includes having a drink or food with friends before and after the show and other events like the HTN Party. I believe we will see less and less true fan participation in these activities because of the higher ticket prices.



I agree with your comments Ed. Not sure how many of us "regulars" go to The Beacon anymore. Price probably plays a big role into that. It does for me. I do miss all of those fun times.

Having said that, they could play as long as they want. Living in Chicago, I can see old blues guys that are in their 80s still playing.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 07:51 AM
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I agree with your comments Ed. Not sure how many of us "regulars" go to The Beacon anymore. Price probably plays a big role into that. It does for me. I do miss all of those fun times.


As a former "regualr" I agree. I am going to the HTN party this year, but for the 2nd year in a row I will not be going to the Beacon,and at this point I might not ever.
I will be waiting for Peachfest

 

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  posted on 2/5/2013 at 11:48 AM
I have been hitting the NY shows for about 20 years now including 4 for this year's run. It helps that I now live 3 blocks from the Beacon for sure, but I have also relegated myself to the Balcony as $175ish for a ticket is just too much otherwise. Luckily, with the help of the pre-sales I can often get Row A in the lower balc. I was concerned about the drop in overall quality also relative to Gregg's health/singing, but I am hoping that per reports he has taken a turn for the much better. We will see what happens next year, so perhpas like the band, I will take it one year at a time now.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 04:18 PM
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The demand is still there, but I think the customer base has been shifting away from devoted fans and towards people with deep pockets or expense accounts (i.e. businesses entertaining customers)


Bob, this is so right on the money. This years various ticket opportunities has shown us the future of ticket sales.
I enjoy the camaraderie at the shows which for me includes having a drink or food with friends before and after the show and other events like the HTN Party. I believe we will see less and less true fan participation in these activities because of the higher ticket prices.


I think this is true with music in general. People go out to concerts and treat it like a bar because they have money to blow. They pay high ticket prices and are fine with talking through the music and getting drunk. They want to hear hits (for most bands) and don't care about the new music (unless it's a band who currently making "hits"). The hardcore fanbases of bands are dwindling, because we are trying to see shows that are expensive or buy these $100+ box set reissues to get bonus material. - I am not complaining at all, I'm just pointing these things out as there is a definite shift.

I have also noticed for about 10 years now, there is always a new thread started saying something like "Is this the end of the ABB?" yet this is by far the longest surviving lineup of the band...

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 04:23 PM
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Actually, streaming is what is killing royalties now, not necessarily illegal downloads. A large enough amount of people had converted to paying for a good portion of their collection over the last decade to create some serious revenue, particularly after iTunes & other services became legit options (now, the artists had a beef that they weren't collecting a high enough percentage of those download revenues but that's a different issue).

On a related note, I found it interesting that Gregg repeatedly talked about T-Bone Burnett giving him a data disk with lots of songs on it when they were picking out blues tunes to record for Low Country Blues. Note that Gregg wasn't given a list for him to pay to download or told where he could buy the CDs that contained these songs. Copies were given to him. I'm someone who likes to pay for my music in a legit way, but I don't think there is a music fan out there without a copy of some music that found it's way into their hands for free that in fact was not given away by the artist or record company (not talking about live show trading).


All of this depends. I am a songwriter, who gets paid for the songs that I've written being licensed out. And permission has been given to stream some of that music and I have been paid my royalties for streaming... However I'm not paid for people who post portions of that music attached to something on youtube (and I don't really care that I'm not). I don't make much when someone buys something on iTunes. I absolutely don't make anything for poeple who copy or exchange my music for free, or resell one of my cd's that they got for free... There is a lot of GRAY area on all of this, the reality is that times have changed and are still changing. - The truth is that when illegal downloading and illegal CD copying starting to become an issue, just about every company in the music industry pointed the finger at everything else and even stepped out and sued fans for this instead of embracing the technology and finding a way to make it work for them and the artists. Which means there are all new ways of doing things... But the truth of the matter is bands can't survive just on being a band without making a lot of money going out on the road (with some exceptions) and its very expensive to go out and play music live...

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 05:48 PM
Yes it is the end of the line,derek even said recently in a interview 2014 was going to be a last waltz.
 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 06:13 PM
Once again, Dylan said it best:

"it's not dark yet....




...but iiiiiit's gettin' there..."

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 06:56 PM
When Derek dropped that "Last Waltz" reference in regards to 2014, it definitely got my attention.

The 50th Anniversary would be a rounder number, but I just don't see the band making it to 2019.

I know one thing. When Dickey left the band in 2000, I know that I didn't expect this incarnation to last this long. It could have all ended back then, but we got a whole extra chapter in the ABB legacy, one that has lasted 13 years and counting.

At this point, it's all gravy.....


 
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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 08:16 PM
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Yes it is the end of the line,derek even said recently in a interview 2014 was going to be a last waltz.


Have to wonder if this Derek giving his notice.....other fish to fry...

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 08:42 PM
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Have to wonder if this Derek giving his notice.....other fish to fry...


I ain't buyin' it. Maybe a total end to the possibility of touring, but why would they walk away from The Beacon and Wanee as long as the quality is high and everyone is in decent shape. It's not like the Allman Brothers Band is a huge distraction for Derek & Warren. And who would walk away from Beacon $ as long as all is well??

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 08:54 PM
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Have to wonder if this Derek giving his notice.....other fish to fry...


I ain't buyin' it. Maybe a total end to the possibility of touring, but why would they walk away from The Beacon and Wanee as long as the quality is high and everyone is in decent shape. It's not like the Allman Brothers Band is a huge distraction for Derek & Warren. And who would walk away from Beacon $ as long as all is well??


I'm just suggesting that this is exactly why, he does not wish to be committed to this project anymore, possibly because he feels the coin is just as good as the opportunity presented by the continuity the ttb brings....Add the appeal of the freshness of constantly working with NEW material...

Also I would think the novelty of playing with his uncle and fellow legends is wearing off. He is a young man hanging out with old dudes content to play the same material over and over. My vote is.... he has politely stated that he is leaving.

 

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