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  posted on 1/2/2013 at 02:57 PM
Why is it that venues will sell enough drinks to get people so drunk that they will pass out and vomit (not in that order), but if someone has a doob, oh they have to go immediately. Saw this at the Beacon during the Mule show; the security were being sort of dooshy. I don't get it. Wait, I think I just answered my own question...they are making money on the booze. Nevermind.

I understand pot is illegal, but so is serving people so much booze that they nearly die in their seats. And how do they allow the bands to get away with smoking and not the audience? One standard will be just fine.

 
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  posted on 1/2/2013 at 03:57 PM
Couldn't agree more about the booze and it is even worse on NYE when people show up at the venue already half in the bag. With $10 beers and $15 drinks it is no surprise that they want those set breaks to last as long as possible. Once alcohol drinkers get started most of them aren't gonna stop even with the prohibative cost. Pot smoking doesn't make you act like an out of control idiot, doesn't make you aggressive, doesn't make you bumble and stumble and puke. But just like you say, pot doesn't generate any profit for them so they would rather have a venue full of aggressive a$$holes spending money than a bunch of mellow peaceful music lovers who are just getting a buzz and enjoying the music.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2013 at 04:32 PM
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pot doesn't generate any profit for them so they would rather have a venue full of aggressive a$$holes spending money than a bunch of mellow peaceful music lovers who are just getting a buzz and enjoying the music.


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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 09:50 AM
I don't know man. I just spent 2 nights at MSG with Trey and the boys and you could do just about anything there.

I gotta say, so much more chill than seeing a show at the Beacon.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 12:28 PM
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I don't know man. I just spent 2 nights at MSG with Trey and the boys and you could do just about anything there.

I gotta say, so much more chill than seeing a show at the Beacon.



You would think they would both be run the same way as they are both owned by the Dolans I believe. I actually thought they were going to be quite lax at the Beacon because there was no security when you walked in the building. When I say no security, I mean, no frisk, which is usually the case. I'm going with you next year Brendan. You don't mind if I wear no pants right? You said anything didn't you?

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 12:36 PM
I really think it has more to do with insurance the pot laws and how each city deals with people at concerts toking. Here in the SF Bay Area you really need to be in someones face for them to give you a bad time and at most shows as soon as the lights go down the whole floor is one big toke fest so what are they gonna do arrest everyone...or 80%....????

From what I understand even though NY has medical MJ laws they still don't allow it to be smoked in public....here on the west coast it really depends on where you're at. if you're in the city at night at a show you're probably not gonna get hassled especially inside the venue....You will get hassled if you do it in line before the show....If you're stupid enough to toke up in Washington Square or Union Square you're gonna get hassled....if you go find a secluded area and toke from a pipe you're probably not gonna get hassled...if you fire up a huge doobie that can be smelled from a couple hundred yards away....you're probably gonna get hassled....In Santa Cruz...in the venue no one is gonna say a word...again in line at the venue....you might get hassled....find a secluded place...no one will hassle you....Just gonna use common sense...

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 01:07 PM
Ironic in this country - a joint can get you locked up, but an AK-47 or AR-15 is perfectly legal to possess. Can't remember the last time I read of anybody being killed by a joint!

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 01:23 PM
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I really think it has more to do with insurance the pot laws and how each city deals with people at concerts toking. Here in the SF Bay Area you really need to be in someones face for them to give you a bad time and at most shows as soon as the lights go down the whole floor is one big toke fest so what are they gonna do arrest everyone...or 80%....????

From what I understand even though NY has medical MJ laws they still don't allow it to be smoked in public....here on the west coast it really depends on where you're at. if you're in the city at night at a show you're probably not gonna get hassled especially inside the venue....You will get hassled if you do it in line before the show....If you're stupid enough to toke up in Washington Square or Union Square you're gonna get hassled....if you go find a secluded area and toke from a pipe you're probably not gonna get hassled...if you fire up a huge doobie that can be smelled from a couple hundred yards away....you're probably gonna get hassled....In Santa Cruz...in the venue no one is gonna say a word...again in line at the venue....you might get hassled....find a secluded place...no one will hassle you....Just gonna use common sense...




New York State does NOT have medicinal marijuana laws. The special interests who benefit from the continued prohibition of marijuana in New York have managed to kill every effort at reforming the state's current laws prohibiting any use of marijuana.

Most recently, near the end of the summer state legislative session, Gov. Cuomo stated publicly that he would consider legislation to allow medicinal use should the State Assembly and Senate pass such legislation. In the last hours of the session, legislation allowing for medicinal use made it through the Assembly but Republican Senate Majority leader Dean Skelos refused to allow a vote in the Senate thereby ending any chance of reform in that particular session. What the future holds, we will find out soon enough.

For a supposed progressive state, New York State, at least with regard to marijuana reform, has its head so far up its @ss it isn't funny.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 01:29 PM
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Ironic in this country - a joint can get you locked up, but an AK-47 or AR-15 is perfectly legal to possess. Can't remember the last time I read of anybody being killed by a joint!


Actually the war on drugs is creating a black market whereby people will kill each other for the product and the money. They tend to use knives and guns though, joints are not very efficient killing tools.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 04:54 PM
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Why is it that venues will sell enough drinks to get people so drunk that they will pass out and vomit (not in that order), but if someone has a doob, oh they have to go immediately. Saw this at the Beacon during the Mule show; the security were being sort of dooshy. I don't get it. Wait, I think I just answered my own question...they are making money on the booze. Nevermind.

I understand pot is illegal, but so is serving people so much booze that they nearly die in their seats. And how do they allow the bands to get away with smoking and not the audience? One standard will be just fine.


It won't be long before pot is legal everywhere and the govt. and everyone else will get theor share of the loot. Just like booze.

As far as personal use goes everyone should be responsible. People who are whacked out on really strong pot are just as irresponsible as drinkers if they hop in their car and drive.

It should be legal and it should have been legal a long time ago. I know way too many people back in the day who got busted for even a roach. Insane.

Politicians are already licking their chops over potential revenues. Legal pot shops are already paying federal taxes on sales. Notice how the Feds are not busting these shops that are legal under state law but still illegal under federal statutes? The bucks are starting to roll in and that is all they care about.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 09:01 PM
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Politicians are already licking their chops over potential revenues. Legal pot shops are already paying federal taxes on sales. Notice how the Feds are not busting these shops that are legal under state law but still illegal under federal statutes? The bucks are starting to roll in and that is all they care about.


Those are just the medical marijuana "shops" though right?

If more states like Colorado and Washington pass recreational legalization it will force the Federal Gov't to do something. I think there is alot of uncertainty in Co and Wa about what the feds will or won't do when they implement their recently passed ballot measures. I have read that some medical marijuana outlets are concerned about going retail to non-medical users for fear of what the feds might do. It would take an act of Congress to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 controlled substance list to really put them in the clear.

 

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Politicians are already licking their chops over potential revenues. Legal pot shops are already paying federal taxes on sales. Notice how the Feds are not busting these shops that are legal under state law but still illegal under federal statutes? The bucks are starting to roll in and that is all they care about.


Those are just the medical marijuana "shops" though right?

If more states like Colorado and Washington pass recreational legalization it will force the Federal Gov't to do something. I think there is alot of uncertainty in Co and Wa about what the feds will or won't do when they implement their recently passed ballot measures. I have read that some medical marijuana outlets are concerned about going retail to non-medical users for fear of what the feds might do. It would take an act of Congress to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 controlled substance list to really put them in the clear.




Yes, those are the medical marijuana shops I was referring to. Bottom line is that the smell of marujuana/money/blood is in the water and our elected sharks smell it and are starting to circle. It is just a matter of time before the frenzy begins and a little old act of Congress won't get in their way.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2013 at 10:36 PM
I think venues are being forced to come down hard on all forms of smoking. Health codes.

 

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I think venues are being forced to come down hard on all forms of smoking. Health codes.


Yep...It's partly why creative marketers of marijuana for medicinal and recreational use are utilizing much healthier forms of delivery. Like food stuffs, nasal spray, vaporizers, etc. The day is fast approaching when many users won't smoke at all but opt for other less damaging and more discrete forms of delivery. Picture a group of people outside the Beacon sharing a bottle of nasal spray or a candy bar rather than passing a joint around.

 

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I think venues are being forced to come down hard on all forms of smoking. Health codes.


Yep...It's partly why creative marketers of marijuana for medicinal and recreational use are utilizing much healthier forms of delivery. Like food stuffs, nasal spray, vaporizers, etc. The day is fast approaching when many users won't smoke at all but opt for other less damaging and more discrete forms of delivery. Picture a group of people outside the Beacon sharing a bottle of nasal spray or a candy bar rather than passing a joint around.


Works for me! No more burning the finger tips, running out of papers, looking for a lighter/matches.

There still will be nostalgic burning on special occasions and nothing will replace giving a, 'shotgun' to your favorite girl or guy. (with headsets on)

 

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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 10:08 AM
There's so much potential for legitimate profit, tax revenue, job creation, and tax dollar savings from reduced interdiction, prosecution, incarceration from decriminalization that it's almost bizarre that politicians in NY haven't the courage to move forward on reform. But that's New York for you. Home of the most inept, dysfunctional, and corrupt state gov't in all the land. IMO of course....
 

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  posted on 1/4/2013 at 11:58 AM
I'm surprised, given the aging of the Brothers' audience,that more people aren't forsaking booze AND pot, taking a Xanex or some such sedative/painkiller, and just sort of sitting there and chillin' out.
 

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I'm surprised, given the aging of the Brothers' audience,that more people aren't forsaking booze AND pot, taking a Xanex or some such sedative/painkiller, and just sort of sitting there and chillin' out.


Funny....However, I think herb is much less addictive and has fewer side effects than any pharmaceutical sedative/painkiller. It's also far cheaper than the cost of a prescription and the actual drugs themselves.

 

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There's so much potential for legitimate profit, tax revenue, job creation, and tax dollar savings from reduced interdiction, prosecution, incarceration from decriminalization that it's almost bizarre that politicians in NY haven't the courage to move forward on reform. But that's New York for you. Home of the most inept, dysfunctional, and corrupt state gov't in all the land. IMO of course....


Law enforcement from your local police to the DEA , don't want this to happen. Legalized Marijuana would cut at least 8% of their budget. This would apply to Judges, Courts and jails as well. The establishment has a lot invested in the Drug War. It looks like all this is being moved under the auspice of "National Security and the war on Terror." under Homeland security. Law enforcement training characterizes medical and reform movements as "Verbal Terrorists". and local drug enforcement personal being assimilated under this new federal umbrella of Homeland Security. a lot of local drug enforcement offices are being housed within federal DEA office sites rather than local government.

So the Feds are making Marijuana use and reform a terrorist activity for Homeland security to deal with.

This commercial apparatus that funds the drug war is the real impediment to marijuana reform.

There is a huge racist element to the Drug War as well. Mostly hispanics and blacks are targeted for prosecution and incarceration. With the cops leaving white neighborhoods alone for the most part.

It will take a lot of public pressure and brave state politicians to stand up to this federal apparatus to take down this house of cards.

Several Countries have adopted a policy of non prosecution for possession of marijuana. Jimmy Carter raised the point that prosecution for marijuana use shouldn't be more harmful than using marijuana. But the explosion of cocaine use created a public backlash against his marijuana reform efforts as President.

International treaties keep most countries from "legalizing" marijuana, but where the policy of non prosecution of cannabis possession is practiced there is no real affect on the drug trade. Statistics show this practice doesn't lead to increase in drug use or abuse. Nor any decrease. Marijuana use seems to be a constant regardless of prosecution policy.

you can still arrest and chastise young users to keep the traffic away from kids without ruining their lives with a criminal prosecution.

Israel is one example of a country that uses this approach with success.

The one thing Marijuana reform has going for it is the science showing it's protective effects for many systems in the human biochemistry. It acts a a protective agent in neurological disorders, autoimmune disorders and as an anti-inflammatory agent. It helps the body repair broken bones 30% quicker. And it kills and prevents the spread of many kinds of cancer without harming normal tissue.

The good things that come from this natural medicine that humans have used as medicine for 5000 years will eventually win out. Especially with the anti-cancer properties that are being discovered and proved clinically. this is a huge public relations factor for medicinal cannabis.

When our founding father, George Washington grew and used medicinal cannabis to treat the inflammation of his very painful gout, why are Americans being prosecuted for doing the same for their pain and suffering???

George Washington would never have approved this war.





 

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I'm surprised, given the aging of the Brothers' audience,that more people aren't forsaking booze AND pot, taking a Xanex or some such sedative/painkiller, and just sort of sitting there and chillin' out.


Funny....However, I think herb is much less addictive and has fewer side effects than any pharmaceutical sedative/painkiller. It's also far cheaper than the cost of a prescription and the actual drugs themselves.


There is no drug without side affects. Dry mouth is common with many drugs. Marijuana is mildly addictive, but the physical withdrawal is very mild, nausea and irritability mainly. It is sedative and it affects the minds time/space perspective. But when you compare the risk/reward as a drug, marijuana is very good medicine.

The cost of herb is kept artificially high by drug laws. If everyone could legally grow their own medicinal herb, and it is about as difficult to grow as a tomato plant, It would literally be dirt cheap.

Wouldn't giving a neighbor with cancer, medicine that you grew with your own hands, be a wonderful loving gift?







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  posted on 1/9/2013 at 05:33 PM
Saw Tom Petty at MSG about 5 years ago. Guys next to me and my son lit up; the ushers came over - gave them a warning, and marked their tickets. It was pretty funny; thought they were going to send them to the penalty box
 

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I'm surprised, given the aging of the Brothers' audience,that more people aren't forsaking booze AND pot, taking a Xanex or some such sedative/painkiller, and just sort of sitting there and chillin' out.


Funny....However, I think herb is much less addictive and has fewer side effects than any pharmaceutical sedative/painkiller. It's also far cheaper than the cost of a prescription and the actual drugs themselves.


There is no drug without side affects. Dry mouth is common with many drugs. Marijuana is mildly addictive, but the physical withdrawal is very mild, nausea and irritability mainly. It is sedative and it affects the minds time/space perspective. But when you compare the risk/reward as a drug, marijuana is very good medicine.

The cost of herb is kept artificially high by drug laws. If everyone could legally grow their own medicinal herb, and it is about as difficult to grow as a tomato plant, It would literally be dirt cheap.

Wouldn't giving a neighbor with cancer, medicine that you grew with your own hands, be a wonderful loving gift?


[Edited on 1/9/2013 by spacemonkey]


Well said and perhaps the best way to describe how things could be. "Literally Dirt Cheap" So true and that easy to achieve. And no harm to anyone....

 
 


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