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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 11:35 AM
These are 3 seemingly simple songs by 3 of my all time favorite bands that when played live take on a life of their own and take the listener on a journey.

I was listening to Cortez played by the Mule on 12/30/04 with Jason Isbell on my way to work today . I was in the front row for it and it really took me back. It's not as awesome as the one they did with Bernie Worrell and Marc Ford but each version, like Dark Star and Dreams is different and unique. Whether played by the Mule or Neil IMO.

I remember reading an interview with Tom Constanten who played keys with the Dead during what was the best era of Dark Stars. His theory was that Dark Star was always being played somewhere out there in the ether and the band just jumps in. That's a real hippy nonsense statement at face value but I sort of get what he's saying and I feel the same way about Dreams and Cortez.

Anyone have any other tunes along the same vibe ? I'm not even sure if I'm getting my point across . I think the entire record of Kind of Blue by Miles achieves the same thing now that I think about it. No Quarter by Led Zep maybe has it but I don't really consider then a prolific improv live act although I'm sure some would disagree.

No Prog rock, Yes/King Crimson - Hobbits and Fairy type suggestions please.... ( I hate that genre )

Random thought pattern on a Friday....

 
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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 12:15 PM
you could probably argue that if it wasn't for Kind of Blue, Dreams and Dark Star may not have happened.

For a while, the GD didn't play DS. When asked about it, Jerry's answer was that it is there in whatever they do anyway (or something like that).

Trane also did a lot of improv in a similar vein. Impressions and Chasin the Trane come to mind, they can be a bit more "out there". Also My Favorite Things, Afro blue (you've probably heard Derek doing these too)

 

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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 01:12 PM
I couldn't agree with you more Kind of Blue was a very important recording


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you could probably argue that if it wasn't for Kind of Blue, Dreams and Dark Star may not have happened.

For a while, the GD didn't play DS. When asked about it, Jerry's answer was that it is there in whatever they do anyway (or something like that).

Trane also did a lot of improv in a similar vein. Impressions and Chasin the Trane come to mind, they can be a bit more "out there". Also My Favorite Things, Afro blue (you've probably heard Derek doing these too)

 

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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 01:30 PM
how about santana with black magic woman or maybe spanish moon by little feat?
 

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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 02:40 PM
My Favorite Things is a good one,of course and yes you can see how Kind of Blue along with My Favorite Things were clear influences on Dreams and Dark Star. I think Jaimoe has said Dreams is like all blues from Kind of Blue.

Also Spanish Moon in a way. The day Richie Heyward died. The Mule played Westbury LI and opened with a long jammy Spanish Moon with Bill Evans on Sax. It wasn't a big crazy party show but it stands out as one of the more totally unique Mule shows I've seen. I'll have to dig up that recording since now I'll connect Spanish moon to this thought pattern.

Not feeling Black Magic Woman totally . The base line maybe gets the vibe a bit.

I throw early Liz Reed in there. As great as it is, It doesn't put me in trance that Dreams does once the shredding begins.

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  posted on 11/30/2012 at 06:28 PM
Deep Purple "Sweei Child in Time" I have a 20 min live version and I think its on those lines of Cortez and Dreams , the dreams from Stonybrook for me is the best music I have ever heard.

That Cortez with Jason is a hauntingly beutiful version , theres one from Wanee that I was there for thats just incredible , its was a perfect momment with the perfect song for those 10 minutes it was heaven

Did you say no Floyd cause Echoes could fit right in there or Fearless if it was maybe 10 min longer

 

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  posted on 12/1/2012 at 12:24 PM
Music that takes me on a journey ... here's a few ...
Pink Floyd - Echoes
Santana - Samba Pa Ti, Europa, Song of the Wind (actually let's just say all of Caravanserai)
Jeff Beck - Because We've Ended as Lovers
Rolling Stones - Moonlight Mile and Time Waits for No One
Chick Corea/Gary Burton doing Bill Evans Waltz for Debby
Al Di Meola/Paco de Lucia/John McLaughlin doing Mediterranean SunDance or Chick Coreas Spain

 

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  posted on 12/3/2012 at 08:52 PM
Allgood...Trilogy is kinda like that
 

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  posted on 12/3/2012 at 09:35 PM
This is on my mind because of the recent Mule Halloween show, but Hendrix's 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) always does it for me. A completely realized sonic world all its own, every time the song is over I feel like I should need my passport to return to this dimension.

A Love Supreme is another song that seems like a window into another world. So peaceful and sublime. I have listened to that album on repeat for hours on end and it never gets old to me.

Time Is Free by Aquarium Rescue Unit is another one of those songs that seems to exist in its own alternate universe, but in a much more frenetic, high energy kind of way thatn the songs you mentioned. It still has that trance-like, hypnotic quality and takes you on a journey, just a different kind of journey.


 
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  posted on 12/3/2012 at 11:16 PM
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This is on my mind because of the recent Mule Halloween show, but Hendrix's 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) always does it for me. A completely realized sonic world all its own, every time the song is over I feel like I should need my passport to return to this dimension.




Whoa, have not listened to that in years. It does take you on a sonic journey.

Shall have to give it a listen thru the headphones.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2012 at 09:44 AM
Thanks for the great thread tommars, I think that what you're getting at, is what Duane used to call
"hittin' the Note", when the music plays the musician, when the
listener and the player transcend the playing of the music. It used
to happen a lot in the 90's versions of the ABB. To my way of thinking,
Widespread panic with Jimmy Herring approaches it at times, as did
late 70's versions of the Grateful Dead. It can happen on different nights, on
differnt songs, for bands that improvise, but there are certain pieces that are more
likely than others.

In the jazz world, there are some bands that get "there" on different pieces.
I especially like Return to Forever's Song To The Pharoah Kings. A lot of Pat Metheny's
older stuff like Are You Going With Me?, Phase Dance, and Goin' Ahead / As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls
transports me every time. He did a live album called Travels that's amazing for jazz
improv.

I'd second Rob's suggestion of A Love Supreme, it always gets me. Also with Loasdeb on
the Caravanserai comment, Song of the Wind is tremendous. To my ears,
Santana has had several other pieces like this, Dance Sister Dance was very high energy
but really transported you, Somewhere in Heaven was another. Spirits Dancing In The Flesh
and the Peace On Earth...Mother Earth...Third Stone From The Sun medley from the early 90's.

Great topic, thanks again.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2012 at 07:22 PM
Like tedray,I love this thread........

captures the essence of magic in particular musical selections and the transcendent nature of these songs.They seem to float just above us taking us along for the ride.They allow the mind and soul to wander through their travels.....I still love the Cortez Warren does in Central Park with Dave Matthews(I'm not of fan of his,but he and his band,with Warren are tremendous on this).

And,of course there are particular Dead shows that capture the magic...for example landover,md. 1974,shows from Eurpe 72,73 tour,etc....

The stones on Love U Live,I believe(? 1977?) get it with the choir on Can't Always Get What You Want....also Can't You Hear me Knockin' from Sticky Fingers,inspired by Carlos according to Keef....

IMHO,IMOER belongs on the list as well,not quite as dreamy as Dreams,but has that flow....

Deb's choices are right on,and whoever chose Floyd's Meddle were also on target....

Thanks again for a very cool thread!

 

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  posted on 12/4/2012 at 10:36 PM
I will obey your initial request and leave the prog rock area untouched, but boy, there are some remarkable journeys in that genre that I would put right up there with much of what has been mentioned already.

I will say, the instrumental segments on The Who's "Quadrophenia" really do send me places.

A bit closer to home, I love the DTB's take on "Bock to Bock."

Lastly for now, Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow had some real moments that I'd say have entranced me - live versions of the Hendrixy song "Catch the Rainbow" as well as the studio instrumental tracks "Weiss Heim" and "Maybe Next Time."

 

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  posted on 12/5/2012 at 09:51 AM
I went to see Neil and Crazy Horse last night and while they did not do Cortez the Killer, they did Walk Like a Giant. That one definitley took me on a journey. I think the whistling parts give it in an interesting vibe.
 

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  posted on 12/5/2012 at 10:25 AM
To add to my prior post,Les Brer on NYE in '73,when Garcia and Betts took the song on a ride....
 

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  posted on 12/6/2012 at 01:54 PM
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Bla Magic Women>Gypsy Queen and Maggot Brain should be added to the list

 

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  posted on 12/6/2012 at 02:53 PM
First time I saw Widespread with Herring on lead, they did an unbelievable Maggot Brain late in the show. I think the whole theatre left the ground, incredible stuff

 

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  posted on 12/6/2012 at 06:14 PM
Anybody who likes Maggot Brain and hasn't heard the 10/9/09 version from Widespread Panic with Derek is missing out.

There were a lot of sit-ins back and forth during that Panic/ABB tour, but that moment really stands out. Spectacular version of Time Is Free from that same show, with Derek, Oteil, and of course Col. Bruce.

Here is a link to a download of the show...

http://www.livedownloads.com/live-music/0,3777/Widespread-Panic-mp3-flac-do wnload-10-9-2009-BJCC-Arena-Birmingham-AL.html

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  posted on 12/6/2012 at 11:12 PM
Low spark of high heeled boys

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Anybody who likes Maggot Brain and hasn't heard the 10/9/09 version from Widespread Panic with Derek is missing out.

There were a lot of sit-ins back and forth during that Panic/ABB tour, but that moment really stands out. Spectacular version of Time Is Free from that same show, with Derek, Oteil, and of course Col. Bruce.

Here is a link to a download of the show...

http://www.livedownloads.com/live-music/0,3777/Widespread-Panic-mp3-flac-do wnload-10-9-2009-BJCC-Arena-Birmingham-AL.html

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  posted on 12/10/2012 at 09:44 AM
Thanks for the link Rob, I saw 2 shows on that ABB/Panic tour, Knoxville and Nashville. Definitely one of the my concert highlights of post-Dickey ABB. I've always thought that Maggot Brain would be a nice jam for Warren and Derek. Maybe roll into that from another Bros. tune.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2012 at 12:14 PM
Some great suggestions here.

The ones that jump out at me that I hadn't thought of before are Low Spark, and Pat Methyny's Are You Going with Me. That is really the only song by him that I know. My brother had that live album and I played that tune alot for some reason. Love the melody progression on that. Maggot Brain gets there also. I think it's the simple melody or bass line repeated that is needed for the effect I'm feeling. Neil Young's Ramada Inn has it. Very simple song that really captures almost a sad feeling just in the bass line and spaces between the notes. Neil is a master at this.

Here's Pat : Now this is a little too much of what NY'rs would remember as CD-101.9 type jazz from back in the 80/s/90's but the trance like feel gets there despite the little bit of cheesiness going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY8z1w1JzMs

 

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Here's Pat : Now this is a little too much of what NY'rs would remember as CD-101.9 type jazz from back in the 80/s/90's but the trance like feel gets there despite the little bit of cheesiness going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY8z1w1JzMs


Can you suggest a complete show or album(YouTube has a series of live shows and albums when you type an artists name in with "full show"---love that feature!) by Pat that is reflective of the theme of this thread,and similar to the clip you posted.

Thanks a lot!

 

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  posted on 12/10/2012 at 12:48 PM
Not sure if ambient music is disallowed...if yes,sorry...if not,Music for Airports by Brian Eno might qualify,although its quite odd and out there....
 

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  posted on 12/10/2012 at 12:55 PM
this thread needs some funk...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIKEfKJ_zJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1DDgNCLD84


 
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