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Author: Subject: Is it really essential that the ABB keep going?

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 01:38 PM
Strange question maybe for a lifelong fan to ask but having just witnessed the 1st RSB UK show {awesome}& enjoying the recent TTB & Chuck Leavell CDs, not too mention Mule...I'm not so sure that we need anymore? With no new album, due what is the point? I have enough ABB music live, studio, bootlegs, to last me & being in the UK the chances of seeing them are zilch. I'd rather they called it a day, Gregg did some more solo stuff & we had a few more quality archive releases not only ABB but DBB GAB BHLT etc etc.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 01:49 PM
i used to go to 8--10 beacon shows a year and over the past years less until the last 2 years when i have not gone to any shows.

this version of the ABB simply bores me at this point and i much prefer Gregg's band and other solo projects.

nonetheless i realize that many fans still derive great pleasure from their live performances...

so,although i may no longer be interested i hope they keep going for those that are deriving pleasure from their doing so....

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 01:49 PM
As UK person, I can see your perspective.

From where I sit, I was at a sold out ABB Chastain Park show in Atlanta this summer. The crowd was a diverse group of folks and the age range was fans in their 20s up to guys who probably saw the band in the early 70s. There was a lot of joy in the air that night like the ABB can really bring. The band really delivered (Gregg was light years better than April at Wanee). I'm sure it was plenty of people's first Allman Bros concert.

The show also served as great gathering of folks I've met via this website and following the ABB over the last 20+ years. I got to take in the show with my friend Randy Bup, the last time I saw him. I'm sure glad they were still together!

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 02:21 PM
if they want to play and people want to go, then hell yeah..

Agree on the TTB ( have not seen RSB yet) but i still think that this is a great group of talented guys..

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 02:44 PM
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if they want to play and people want to go, then hell yeah..


Good a reason as any. Rock on, no matter the band.

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I'm not so sure that we need anymore? With no new album, due what is the point?


Good point as well. Me?.....I've heard the all too familiar set-lists.....too many times. Every start of my car brings "One way out"....or "Ramblin' Man" to life. I hear these tunes more now, than I did when it was important to me......to hear my band, the band hardly anyone knew of...on the radio, was awesome. It was awesome, because you hardly ever heard it blast out of someone elses car speakers.... "Hey man, turn this song up".......

Give us some new material. Please........ Please! Don't go down the gravy train road any further....With no new material on the horizon, I would hate to see these guys reduced to the role of sharing the stage with a band like Lynyrd Skynyrd, leaving its fans in dispute as to which one was the headliner.....

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 03:48 PM
I'm with Budiggle - living in the UK with no chance of a tour or a new album, the ABB is almost irrelevant.

I say "almost" solely because of Moogis.

I've travelled several times to NYC for Beacon runs but I wouldn't contemplate it now.



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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 05:13 PM
No not essential, I personally feel they do the Beacon run for the big payday so the other guys like warren,derek,oteil and jaimoe can put their heart and soul into their own bands. With the same songs being recycled over and over it is easy to tell they are going through the motions. That being said they still put on a hell of a show . I think 2014 may be the last of them but not sure. I would rather see Gregg put some effort into new original music with GAF . He has a terrific band.
 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 06:27 PM
YES!
 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 06:30 PM
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No not essential, I personally feel they do the Beacon run for the big payday so the other guys like warren,derek,oteil and jaimoe can put their heart and soul into their own bands. With the same songs being recycled over and over it is easy to tell they are going through the motions. That being said they still put on a hell of a show . I think 2014 may be the last of them but not sure. I would rather see Gregg put some effort into new original music with GAF . He has a terrific band.

Ever since 2009 I've thought each year may be the last, but they keep proving me wrong. The last live shows I went to were the last 2 of the 2009 Beacon run. I don't expect to ever see the ABB live again. Count me among those who have come to enjoy Gregg, Derek, Warren, and Jaimoe with their own bands. It took me 40 years, but my ABB itch has finally been scratched.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 06:30 PM
Without new music, NO band should keep on going.

The ABB included.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 06:40 PM
I could live without any band if I had to. Like everyone else here, I have a foolishly large music collection, enough to last for the rest of my life probably.

I just saw the TTB and loved it; I saw Gregg almost 2 years back and was knocked out. I've seen the Mule 3 times and I will see more. I'm not forgetting Jaimoe either! The solo projects could easily sustain a fan like me.

However, I saw a truly great ABB show this summer at Hartford. It really satisified, especially coming on the heels of a red-hot Santana band that could have left another band in the dust. The ABB still have a lot to offer. I am eager to keep seeing them.

Of course I agree that new music would add so much...

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 06:48 PM
Essential?
no

Do I want them to keep touring?
yes.

I saw them at the Orpheum in 2010 (opening night), 2011 (closing night), and harborlights this year. All great shows.
If they tour, I'll be there.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 07:21 PM
I can understand what this poster is saying...

"It took me 40 years, but my ABB itch has finally been scratched."

In my case, working at HTN definitely helped me scratch that itch. I've been lucky to see them as many times as I have, and as others have said, I have enough live ABB that I could listen to a different show every day for a year if I wanted to. If I never see the Allman Brothers live again, I think I'm okay with that.

On the other hand, I was pleasantly surprised by how strong some of the summer shows were this year. After a subpar Beacon run and a disastrous Wanee with Gregg looking near death, earlier this year I was quick to say that the ABB should hang it up, but the summer made me reconsider that. Any band that can play like that has something to offer.

Also, in my case I have never considered any of the various members other projects to be a substitute for the ABB. Others may feel differently, but the sum is definitely greater than the parts to me. A great Mule show + a great TTB show + a great Jaimoe show + a great Gregg solo show STILL doesn't add up to one great ABB show in my book.

 
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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 08:32 PM
I also can understand what the poster is saying. Having seen and grew up on the ABB since 1969. Can't even begin to recall how many times I've seen them perform. No new songs ( and like it or not folks there ain't going to be any) some awful covers I have no more desire to go to a show again. Especially at the prices they are asking. Just one more Beacon run for old times and call it a career as ABB. Most all the members seem to be putting more effort in their solo projects as they should. It was a glorious ride but it is time to call it a day.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 09:18 PM
It IS asking a lot to expect a band that has been around for 40 years to reinvent itself.

For that matter, for every one of us hoping for a new song, there are 500 fans at each show calling out for "Whipping Post" non-ironically.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 09:19 PM
Despite a weak Gregg, the 3 Beacon shows I saw in 2012 were better than most any other show I'd put down my hard earned $ to see. And the 4 summer shows I caught, 2 in Boston and 2 with Santana, were SMOKIN'! This band is still better than anything going. I really enjoy, and will see, Mule and TTB anytime they come around, but for my taste, ABB is the best "band that jams" on the planet. Will see as many Beacon shows as I can in 2013 and hoping for a decent summer run. Call me a koolaid guzzler, but the interplay of Derek, Warren, and Oteil alone is worth every penny to me. LONG LIVE THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND!!!
 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 11:09 PM
The latest Lefsetz Letter seems a bit relevant here:

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/11/13/forgotten-2/

this line, in particular, "......donít even bother putting out new music. Just overcharge for your live show and be thankful people still remember your hits."

 

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  posted on 11/14/2012 at 11:24 PM
However, I AM grateful for that new VH album. Some very good stuff on there, and no I was not bothered that a good chunk of it was from old demos. They put out new material.

I salute Rush, who continue to put out new albums AND to play the new stuff live, and a LOT of it. Rush has kept that going throughout their career. And while I am sure many fans at their show I saw last month would have preferred more oldies, Rush stuck to their guns, playing, what, 9 new tunes in a row?! Wow! And they have built an audience that keeps coming, largely out of respect for that they do.

Rush is a very rare model among older bands, but they do show that it can be done.

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 01:41 AM
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being in the UK the chances of seeing them are zilch. I'd rather they called it a day,


That's funny. You are not going to see them so we should all miss out too? Why quit?

No new album and no tour headed your way so just pretend they called it quits. That way you get what you want while others can still see them.

People upset about the current setlists and relying on old tunes. Has everyone been asleep since 1971? The majority of the setlists since then have been all these same songs. In fact the setlists for this lineup have been the most diverse that this band has ever had. Now whether you like the songs or the lineup is another thing but don't accuse them of playing the same songs nightly. They have scaled back in the last year but that is because of Gregg.

The original lineup gets a pass for that even though it was almost the same songs nightly. All these legends of 3+ hour shows and yet all the traded shows are half of that. Many fit on one disc with the same handful of songs. Proves one thing - the acid was strong back then and a minute seemed like an hour.

Trucks/Haynes are a special pairing and people would have them quit? I would prefer to listen and watch.

When they released HTN, a small percentage of people attending shows bought it. When they play songs from it, many go for a washroom/beer break. So the only valid reason to continue would be to play songs most don't want to hear?

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 06:28 AM
I loved HTN and the 2 newer instrumentals Bag end+Egypt are terrific. This band has it in them to make some terrific music. Derek will be working on a new TTB album,oteil is in the studio now with his band and warren is working on a new mule album and most likely jaimoes band will bring out another cd in the next year so their is alot of music on the horizon for us to enjoy. I am probably in the majority here I would just love to hear some more original songs for gregg to record,he is the voice of all voices and can write some great tunes when he wants to.
 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 06:52 AM
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I loved HTN and the 2 newer instrumentals Bag end+Egypt are terrific.


I wouldn't mind a few shows where this CD was played in it's entirety. On the other hand, "Bag End" & "Egypt" sound very similar to me.....Once Warren or Derek..."take off".. is there really a difference in the two cuts?

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I would just love to hear some more original songs for gregg to record,he is the voice of all voices and can write some great tunes when he wants to.


"When he wants to"... Word. Imagine a new cd, 8 or 9 tunes, with 6 or 7 penned by Gregg and a guest appearance on the instrumental by Chuck Leavell.

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 07:11 AM
in response to Canadiamule; i was merely asking the question & certainly not wanting to suggest they should pack it in just 'cos they don't tour UK wise. But if your favourite band only visit for 5 or so gigs in 40+ years then it just heightens the need of new material to maintain interest. Certainly the prospect of a Beacon show was always a stretch for me but is now out due the ticket price increases but, hey, supply & demand..
I do believe that if any group of talented, creative people are really committed to what they do then collectively they will want to create the new. Trouble is here IMHO is that this need is fed by all the other solo projects & the ABB becomes a bunch of pals going out for few beers & celebrating their glory days...entertaining to a point but not if you live in the UK . However I do totally accept the point that if a show does introduce the band to a few new fans then there certainly value in that.

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 09:20 AM
I have always felt for those around the world that like the ABB and don't get a chance. Amazed that after all this time there is even a desire to see them. Didn't mean to imply that your only reason that they should quit is because they don't go to the UK. You just wrote the sentence that way so I thought it was funny.

As for the theory of some old buddies getting together and celebrating the glory days, those get togethers make millions of dollars. Wish my get togethers with friends were like that.

Is it essential to keep going? No band is essential. Doctors, teachers, police and others are essential. A band? No. But they are enjoyable. And most likely if you were in the band and reaping the rewards then it would seem more essential.

Are The Who essential? How many bought their last? A dozen fans or so. Definitely not a major part of any setlist.

The Stones? same thing.

Clapton? Well he just grabs somebody elses songs from 50 years ago for any album anyway. Would not change a setlist much and if it did then few would notice.

Aerosmith is coming out with a new record after a dozen years. A couple will get played and then forgotten on tours after.

The ABB are really no different. I think there is nothing wrong with any of these bands doing that. They are pushing 70. Glory days for all of them is long past.

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 09:37 AM
to me it is essential that they go on. them going on means great people come together around music that they love. whether the music is new or old, who cares?!!

also, i want to bring my kids this summer to see them. the time is right for them to enjoy the brothers and let us take pictures together while listening to the music that is the most important to me.

what if it wasn't a money grab? what if they really enjoyed playing together? they were all smiles this summer. and so was the crowd.

anytime i can hear these musicians play this music, i will be there.

 

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  posted on 11/15/2012 at 10:11 AM
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Without new music, NO band should keep on going.

The ABB included.


No more symphonies and orchestras, then?

 

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