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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:25 AM
From the Screen Savers (or call for help, i forget)

Music CD-Rs vs. Data CD-Rs
Ken from Mendon, Ill., called asking if there's a difference between different types of CD-Rs.

Most CD-Rs are the same. You may notice music CD-Rs cost more than data CD-Rs. They include a royalty fee intended to compensate artists. If you have a stand-alone burner, you must use these music CD-Rs. If you're just using your computer to burn, buy the cheapest media that works.

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if i'm buying MUSIC CDRs just because the artists are getting royalties i'm going back to my plain vanilla CDR's

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:43 AM
I didn't know that either. I wonder how they distribute the $$?
 
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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:43 AM
Believe it or not, music cdrs are hard to find here in Canada. You can usually find single Maxell gold music cds at around $2.99 each, but no spindles. Thats why whenever I go to the US I always stop at a music store and pick some up. Didn't know about the royalty fee.
 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:48 AM
if the royalty is the only difference i'm pissed.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:57 AM
If it indeed goes to the artists I don't mind. In fact, I kind of like it.
 
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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 11:13 AM
my only problem is that i *thought* the Music CDR's where supposed to be of better quality.

and something tells me that quite a few artists that do not approve of trading must be getting royalties too.

[Edited on 1/29/2004 by LinnieXX]

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 12:27 PM
I hope those artist that allow taping are getting a big piece of the pie. I was going to pickup a CD recorder to hook up to the stereo to make compilations for the car. Now I don't know. $2.99 is steep. I purchased 90 minute CDR's in bulk for for less than 50 cents a pop. The premium is too much for the music CDR's.

If the royalties are the only difference than why won't data CDR's work in stand alone recorders? Did the manufacturers add some type of governor?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 01:12 PM
2.99 is steep. I picked up a 50 spindle of Fuji music CDs for $18 a couple weeks ago.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 06:08 PM
Linnie,

The quality is no different. I need to buy them for my free-standing burner though because the lazer won't write on data CDR's. But the quality is equal to a high quality data CDR. Sorry to dissapoint. I still buy cheap ones for my computer, so I don't "waste" the money on my computer copies. - I've been doing a LOT of research on CDR's lately. Some of it is very interesting. - The ironic thing is, I use my computer to make straight copies of cd's, but I use the free-standing, for my own demos and compilations I make for myself, but there's where my money goes to royalties!!! Very funny.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 06:33 PM
I believe cassette tapes also had/ have the "royalty" as well. I think it had something to do with record companies flipping out when "boom boxes" took off. Peace, Tom

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 07:22 PM
Do you really think the robber barons of the Music Industry
ever gives any of this to artists? No, they bitch about
how the internet and CD-r is killing them. Those bastards
have been overcharging the consumer while ripping off
the artists for years.

I buy the data cds for everything. If I wanna keep
a copy of something I own in the car or burn a live
show for someone It doesn't take any money out of
their greedy pockets.

I am tired of the RIAA complaining when those
Filthy Bastards have been ripping everyone off for years.

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 07:58 PM
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Do you really think the robber barons of the Music Industry ever gives any of this to artists? No, they bitch about how the internet and CD-r is killing them. Those bastards
have been overcharging the consumer while ripping off the artists for years.

Although the illegal stuff IS killing them. Notice how weak sales have been in the music industry the last few years?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:15 PM
I've said this before on here somewhere but maybe if the product they put out was worth buying they wouldn't be in such "dire" financial straits...no puns intended...There's no investment in development of new talent so we get the same crap repackaged over and over......with any luck the industry as we know it will eat itself alive and then we will have a rebirth where the artists actually control the process that carries their music to us
 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:34 PM
This is the same type of thing Frank Zappa was railing against during the record labeling hearings. A tax on blank tape designed to give the record industry money from buyers of blanks.

Do you really think any artist other than the biggest three or four composers in ASCAP/BMI are getting checks?

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 08:39 PM
John Wott has his head on his shoulders.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 09:00 PM
greetings:

Hopefully This will lead to the way it should be. Artists making thier own recordings and selling it on thier websites. Or perhaps change the way product is disrtibuted. The people creating the music more often than not are receiving less money than everyone else involved in the major label process utilized presently, which is sad.
What would you rather have 1 to 5 % of every dollar on 500,000 units at $15.00 or so from retail sales or 100 % of only 1/2 the sales at the same price from your website ?

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  posted on 1/29/2004 at 09:47 PM
Well, in my opinion, and I was working in the industry for quite a while, they did it to themselves. It's been a consistant downward spiral. Instead of jumping on new technology (the internet and soforth) the industry as a general whole decided to remain ignorant, while many companies actually merged and jacked up prices to compensate the costs, while laying off half their employees. Then the natural reaction to that was to promote less, spend less money on artists, therefore less diverse music being put out to the public resulting in comments such as "if there was any good music out, I might buy it." And instead of making some good out of it and jumping into the innovation a little late, they decided the way to fix the problem is actually sue their consumers. Go figure - I think there's a lot of good that will eventually come out of it, though. It'd be nice to see the artists get more of what they deserve...
 

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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 12:50 AM
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Do you really think the robber barons of the Music Industry ever gives any of this to artists? No, they bitch about how the internet and CD-r is killing them. Those bastards
have been overcharging the consumer while ripping off the artists for years.

Although the illegal stuff IS killing them. Notice how weak sales have been in the music industry the last few years?


They deserve to die.

Horribly.

With the Devil's hot pitchfork where the sun don't shine.

They have fed on the blood of artists for way long enough.

Artists should own and benefit from their Art.

Not Greedy Men in the fine suits paid for by the Artist.

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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 01:10 AM
John, your arguments seem pretty airtight when you reduce everybody to stereotypes. There are plenty of very greedy suits in the music world who in many ways are getting what's coming from them. But then again, there are people who aren't even remotely evil who are still taking a beating. Smaller labels that aren't BMG get screwed too.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 01:21 AM
Folks that didn't steal or lie need not fear the Devil's Pitchfork.

But the industry is evil by the way it is set up.

Where else do you have to sign away the rights to your
material to get them published. Then the folks who
sold you your rights to, charge you to make it so that
they can own it. That is the SOP.

Some folks did OK. A wise man like Ray Charles still owns
his own records. Even a blind man can see a bad
deal now and then.

Ask John Fogerty how he feels about someone else stealing
all his rights to the Creedence.

Or go ask Butch how he feels about the Bastards stealing
their live tape vaults?

Or ask Robert Fripp about EG Records, no you better not,
he can on and on for hours about that. ( and did in Musician
if you care to read it)

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Folks that didn't steal or lie need not fear the Devil's Pitchfork.

That's pure crap. Do you really think the world is that simple? When people steal music instead of paying for it, you think they only steal from the people you've decided are bad and have no rights?
Many music industry people may be bastards, that doesn't make it legal to steal from them. And when you steal from them, they're not the only ones who don't get paid. The artist doesn't get paid, the producers don't get paid, the people who did the liner notes and shipped the album and everything else ALL don't get paid.
I interviewed the owner of a very famous music store and historic record label out here about a year ago. They're losing money like crazy because of this. He is neither a thief or a liar and he was still losing hundreds of thousands of dollars every year, to the point that his label has not been recording new music lately. Meaning parts of the history of the blues in Chicago may be lost to history because people would rather steal their music. This isn't just The Man who's getting **** ed over.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 07:04 AM
Yes, this is very much related to the Zappa thing. The PMRC who were trying to get labels on records first went to the RIAA. They rightfully said no, any labeling would certianly hurt sales if even a little. After the famous senate hearings the RIAA agreed to the labeling system. The very next day a bill co sponsored by Al Gore instituted the tax on blank tape. Tipper Gore, Al's wife was a big part of the PMRC the money collected by the tax would go to the RIAA not any artists. Draw your own conclusions.
As far as cdr's having a blank tax this is the first I've heard of it. If it's true I would be shocked to see any artists getting a cut.

 

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Not trying to make anyone feel bad who burns music CD...... I got into burning with a Phillips unit years back ($500 gulp).......... now I do PC burn with a nice Plextor that works great..... But my take on Music CD stand alones..... discs are very expensive. I did read back then something about music CD's having some quality thing for more thermal range durability, but I have no proof of that......... personally, I had way more coasters (wasted burns) on music cd's (the unit's fault, I believe). And at those prices, I would throw them across the room when that happened. When music burners work, to my ear, the product is great, I will say. Comparing making compilations on PC vs stand alone, it is WAY easier to do song picks via mouse than pushing little black buttons on a little black background.... sitting vs stooping over my rack.....

Real issue is when a stand alone guy burns for a stand alone guy who then burns for someone else from that first burn...... The wonderful music industry mandated a digital to analog to digital (really!) conversion when a second burn is done from a music CD ON another music burner. A lovely (scms is it?) code is forever imprinted within the bit stream..... it means nothing to a PC burner. The result in the trading pool is that burned copies are going around that have had analog loss inserted in them.... it is the same problem as the tape trading days.... there are digital format shows that have "generation' issues with them.... dumb, huh?

 

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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 09:06 AM
I agree with the idea that the industry did it to themselves with their product. Trying to bottom line sales to the general public, not trusting the artist. Also it seems they had trouble with live vs studio. Not many complete live shows when I was growing up. We got that through bootleg LPs. I remember Neil Young and Dylan shows we obtained. The quality was awful, but we were starved for the live stuff.
 
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  posted on 1/30/2004 at 09:10 AM
John Fogerty was sued for plagiarising himself...think about that, and try to tell me that the industry doesn't want every last drop of blood let alone the cash that it generated.....the beast will eat itself eventually.....(Fogerty was sued by Sol Zantz owner operator of Fantasy, albeit not a mom and pop operation but not a major player either, in terms of this thread.
 
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