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  posted on 8/10/2012 at 02:36 PM
UNWANTED COMPANY ALONGSIDE ROMNEY'S BUS TOUR
By Diane Sweet
August 9, 2012

Mitt Romney is going to have some unwanted company on his upcoming bus tour across swing states.

The Democratic National Committee announced Thursday that it will stage its own four-day bus tour alongside the Romney campaign's trip through Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Ohio. The tour, called "Romney Economics: The Middle Class Under The Bus Tour," will begin Friday with a news conference in Alexandria, Virginia.

Organizers say they will highlight Mitt Romney's record of failure as Governor of Massachusetts, the lack of support small businesses received from Governor Romney's administration and Romney's proposed tax on middle class families to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. The DNC's latest tour represents a reprise of the successful tour by the same name that the DNC conducted in June to respond to Mitt Romney's tour at that time, which included stops in NH, PA, OH, IA, WI and MI.

"Throughout Mitt Romney's career, middle class families have frequently found themselves thrown under the bus as a result of his failed record and top-down economic policies," the committee said in a news release. "When Romney was Governor of Massachusetts, the number of business start-ups fell by 10 percent and hit its lowest point during his last year in office. Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 in job creation, and Romney hiked taxes and fees by $750 million a year in addition to saddling the Commonwealth with the highest debt per person in the country."





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It's rather humorous to watch a group that doesn't have any rational proposal to sustain the middle class criticize someone else for the same.

Shouting about how much you want to help the middle class doesn't correlate to actually helping them. Targeted tax credits designed to gin up votes from poll-tested groups is meaningless against the broader problems facing the continued economic viability of those in the middle class. The explosion of a successful and sustainable middle class in the late 40's, 50's, and 60's came from one thing: America's unique position as the only intact manufacturing economy following WWII - and the wealth created from that. No net wealth creation means no security for the middle class, like it or not.

On that score, neither party or candidate is addressing the issue of how to create sufficient wealth to sustain the middle class and cover all the unfunded social promises we've made to ourselves. And who can blame them? Most of the sheep seem content with hollow rhetoric. Why confuse them with serious stuff? Or, God forbid; a truthful discussion of the problems.

But saying all that; Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.

 

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This bus tour isn't headed up a mountain in Scranton, PA is it? Because I've been seeing some pictures of some nefarious characters on a bus that is.

 

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This bus tour isn't headed up a mountain in Scranton, PA is it? Because I've been seeing some pictures of some nefarious characters on a bus that is.
was there goats in the bus? thats amish country.

 

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  posted on 8/10/2012 at 10:43 PM
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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.


Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.

 

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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.

Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.

I don't want to start sounding like Gina here, but its hard to believe that it's coincidence that Obama has faced such bumbling, tin-eared, slow-witted old white guys twice in a row for the Presidency. He's one lucky sob. However the country... not so much.

 

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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.

Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.

I don't want to start sounding like Gina here, but its hard to believe that it's coincidence that Obama has faced such bumbling, tin-eared, slow-witted old white guys twice in a row for the Presidency. He's one lucky sob. However the country... not so much.


Kind of like the banks on the verge of a supposed meltdown that coincided perfectly with the last election. What are the odds?

 

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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.

Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.

I don't want to start sounding like Gina here, but its hard to believe that it's coincidence that Obama has faced such bumbling, tin-eared, slow-witted old white guys twice in a row for the Presidency. He's one lucky sob. However the country... not so much.



I have been saying this for months and months!!!! Obama was ripe for the picking and had Independent voters like myself moving away in droves. So what do they do???? The GOP decide once again just like last time that if all of the far right crazy candidates(see Bachman, Gingrich, Perry, ect.) weren't gonna be electable they had to choose someone who would flip all of their core beliefs to the farthest to the right as possible. Enter Romney who most of them can't stand themselves. They figured another puppet like Bush who will do anything they say to get nominated and elected. Phony candidates usually don't win. John McCain learned that lesson. Had to flip all of his beliefs to get nominated and ended up looking like a phony. That and choosing Palin sealed his coffin. The old John McCain, the one who really was a free thinking maverick who wasn't afraid to disagree with and piss off the far right on some issues would have won by a large margin as I believe someone like Huntsman would have done this time around. They didn't learn their lesson and forced another candidate to flip themselves into looking like a complete phony. He is not an appealing candidate to Independent voters like myself so we have turned back to Obama. Plain and simple. When the Republicans can find a candidate who appeals to Independents as well as some Dems, someone like Huntsman, then they might win the White House back. Huntsman in this environment would have beaten Obama easily but the far right wing tea party types are running the show and calling the moves and they insist on either far right wing crazies or phony flip flopping candidates who act as if they are right wing crazies.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 01:03 AM
I would have considered Huntsman but given the choice, I think Obama is a good man and I know he's a good husband and father....I can vote for him in good conscience.

 

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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.


Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.


I am sure many terrorists in Yemen and Pakistan who are still alive would agree with this comment. The right wing idea that liberals are pu--ies falls apart with Obama. In its place is a new liberal attitde that right wingers are pu--ies because they are not men enough to recognize a real man when they see one.

 

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Romney is starting to make McCain look like a campaigning Svengali. They are facing one of the worst Presidential records in history, and they should be mopping the decks with this loser. But Mitt seems lost in the weeds. Pathetic.

Agree 100%. Can't help but think back to one troubling comment from Romney that sent off alarm bells early on. Someone asked him about Obama and his response was, "Oh, he's a nice fellow but just confused." Wrong. Obama is NOT a nice fellow and he's going to take your f*cking head off. He's an underhanded and dirty Chicago thug politician who will do what it takes to "win" and Mitt should have known that.

I don't want to start sounding like Gina here, but its hard to believe that it's coincidence that Obama has faced such bumbling, tin-eared, slow-witted old white guys twice in a row for the Presidency. He's one lucky sob. However the country... not so much.



I have been saying this for months and months!!!! Obama was ripe for the picking and had Independent voters like myself moving away in droves. So what do they do???? The GOP decide once again just like last time that if all of the far right crazy candidates(see Bachman, Gingrich, Perry, ect.) weren't gonna be electable they had to choose someone who would flip all of their core beliefs to the farthest to the right as possible. Enter Romney who most of them can't stand themselves. They figured another puppet like Bush who will do anything they say to get nominated and elected. Phony candidates usually don't win. John McCain learned that lesson. Had to flip all of his beliefs to get nominated and ended up looking like a phony. That and choosing Palin sealed his coffin. The old John McCain, the one who really was a free thinking maverick who wasn't afraid to disagree with and piss off the far right on some issues would have won by a large margin as I believe someone like Huntsman would have done this time around. They didn't learn their lesson and forced another candidate to flip themselves into looking like a complete phony. He is not an appealing candidate to Independent voters like myself so we have turned back to Obama. Plain and simple. When the Republicans can find a candidate who appeals to Independents as well as some Dems, someone like Huntsman, then they might win the White House back. Huntsman in this environment would have beaten Obama easily but the far right wing tea party types are running the show and calling the moves and they insist on either far right wing crazies or phony flip flopping candidates who act as if they are right wing crazies.

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."

 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.

 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.


Why in the hell would the GOP nominate a candidate that appeals to Democrats? That's complete hogwash. Same for moderates, they lose. We've tested that theory. The only reason Bush won twice was running against pathetic candidates. A strong conservative can win in a landslide but we have to nominate one first. The good news is the GOP has a very strong bench with up and comers that will fit that bill.

If Obama wins again it might be the best thing that ever happened to the GOP in the long run. Of course, we must hope and pray that four more years of Obamanomics will not damage the country beyond repair, if we're not already at that point.

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Huntsman in this environment would have beaten Obama easily but the far right wing tea party types are running the show and calling the moves and they insist on either far right wing crazies or phony flip flopping candidates who act as if they are right wing crazies.


Huntsman never even broke above 3% in the primaries. Any other great ideas?

It's interesting how you constantly describe the right wing as "crazies." I guess it's perfectly sane to continue spending $1.43 while taking in $1.00, piling up $5 Trillion in new debt in 3 1/2 years while refusing to reform programs that can't be sustained. If that's sanity, I'll take the "crazies."

 

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If Obama wins again it might be the best thing that ever happened to the GOP in the long run. Of course, we must hope and pray that four more years of Obamanomics will not damage the country beyond repair, if we're not already at that point.
Many have said the same of Obama's first term Alloak. I think there's something bigger going on.

I fear there are a dwindling number of people who understand what the idea of America has been regarding opportunity, individual responsibility, limited govt, personal liberty, free markets, and a healthy private sector. The decline in these values and a complimentary rise in dependency upon govt solutions spell a frightning turn in the electorate. "Govt save us" is the theme seen often in banana republics and sinking European social democracies. When the safety of a govt-provided lifestyle becomes more important than risk for the sake of greater opportunity, the America we've known is clearly not moving in the direction that has made it successful in the past.

Either way, and no matter who gets elected, I don't think we make it through another Presidential term without a major economic crisis that re-sets everything.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 11:08 AM
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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.


Why in the hell would the GOP nominate a candidate that appeals to Democrats? That's complete hogwash. Same for moderates, they lose.

[Edited on 8/11/2012 by alloak41]


The reason is to pick off votes from the other side and to pick up independent voters. Broad based appeal wins out over narrowly defined appeal. Obviously you think that's a write off and would prefer to appeal to that narrowly defined base. If a party paints itself into a corner with lacking appeal except for a certain portion of the electorate, the stats don't line up very favorably. But if the GOP wants to continue to be a small tent party, then have at it. The further right the GOP ventures it will suffer the consequence of its own ideology.


 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.


Why in the hell would the GOP nominate a candidate that appeals to Democrats? That's complete hogwash.



Yeah, that Reagan was a real loser.

 

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And I'm in no way a Reagan fan.

 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.


Why in the hell would the GOP nominate a candidate that appeals to Democrats? That's complete hogwash.



Yeah, that Reagan was a real loser.


Good point.

And as I've stated before, even though current day Repubs. like to throw Reagan's name throughout speeches, this is no longer the party of Reagan. His beliefs are too far centrist. He wouldn't win a primary nomination. Remember the term "Reagan Democrats"...can you imagine the term "Ryan Democrats" or "Romney Democrats"...priceless.

 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I was saying I liked Huntsman all along but the media was so caught up with all of the crazy far right wing candidates and their infighting that Huntsman barely got any attention. All he was doing was saying the right things and acting Presidential but who wants that when you have all of these whackos attacking each other??? He has a good record in Utah as well.

 

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Many have said the same of Obama's first term Alloak. I think there's something bigger going on.

I fear there are a dwindling number of people who understand what the idea of America has been regarding opportunity, individual responsibility, limited govt, personal liberty, free markets, and a healthy private sector. The decline in these values and a complimentary rise in dependency upon govt solutions spell a frightning turn in the electorate. "Govt save us" is the theme seen often in banana republics and sinking European social democracies. When the safety of a govt-provided lifestyle becomes more important than risk for the sake of greater opportunity, the America we've known is clearly not moving in the direction that has made it successful in the past.

Either way, and no matter who gets elected, I don't think we make it through another Presidential term without a major economic crisis that re-sets everything.


Talk about values???? How about the values of profitable American companies outsourcing good paying American jobs to make an even further profit using foreign cheap labor. There are a lot of American values we can talk about here. There wouldn't be the need for so much dependence on government if there were enough good paying jobs to go around and American companies have been outsourcing tons of these jobs for years. Sooner or later that along with population growth will catch up.

 

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Interesting that Huntsman's name gets mentioned as an appealing alternative. The only people I heard saying he should be a strong choice were the media. He came across rather weak in the debates until he removed himself from the race. There seemed to the little memorable about his candidacy.

But he can't be too bad. Wikipedia had this little nugget about him: "On July 30, 2007, he attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater. Later that day, Huntsman signed a proclamation creating "Dream Theater Day" on that date for the state of Utah."


I thought he had good ideas and was reasonably moderate which is an unacceptable description in today's GOP. Forgetting Dr. Paul, Huntsman was the only primary candidate that had appeal for Democrats. However, as it showed and played out, he had zero chance of a nomination & I doubt would have done much vs. Obama.


Why in the hell would the GOP nominate a candidate that appeals to Democrats? That's complete hogwash. Same for moderates, they lose.

[Edited on 8/11/2012 by alloak41]


The reason is to pick off votes from the other side and to pick up independent voters. Broad based appeal wins out over narrowly defined appeal. Obviously you think that's a write off and would prefer to appeal to that narrowly defined base. If a party paints itself into a corner with lacking appeal except for a certain portion of the electorate, the stats don't line up very favorably. But if the GOP wants to continue to be a small tent party, then have at it. The further right the GOP ventures it will suffer the consequence of its own ideology.




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If Obama wins again it might be the best thing that ever happened to the GOP in the long run. Of course, we must hope and pray that four more years of Obamanomics will not damage the country beyond repair, if we're not already at that point.
Many have said the same of Obama's first term Alloak. I think there's something bigger going on.

I fear there are a dwindling number of people who understand what the idea of America has been regarding opportunity, individual responsibility, limited govt, personal liberty, free markets, and a healthy private sector. The decline in these values and a complimentary rise in dependency upon govt solutions spell a frightning turn in the electorate. "Govt save us" is the theme seen often in banana republics and sinking European social democracies. When the safety of a govt-provided lifestyle becomes more important than risk for the sake of greater opportunity, the America we've known is clearly not moving in the direction that has made it successful in the past.

Either way, and no matter who gets elected, I don't think we make it through another Presidential term without a major economic crisis that re-sets everything.

Talk about values???? How about the values of profitable American companies outsourcing good paying American jobs to make an even further profit using foreign cheap labor. There are a lot of American values we can talk about here. There wouldn't be the need for so much dependence on government if there were enough good paying jobs to go around and American companies have been outsourcing tons of these jobs for years. Sooner or later that along with population growth will catch up.

Investment in productive activities - and the jobs that go with - will follow profitability. To believe that some form of nationalistic value will beat out the goal of profitability is naive. To expect that high and complex taxes, high regulation, and high legal exposure is a recipe for a desireable investment environment is wishful thinking. Investment capital came to the US because the profit rewards were deemed worth the risk. They have increasingly left our shores because we have not remained competitive by that same measure. Demonize that thinking all you want, but things are only going to get worse till we address these issues in a meaningful, broad-based way.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2012 at 02:40 PM
All fine and good but don't preach about lost American values and too much dependence on Gov't when the Gov't and our economic system allow profitable American companies to send away good paying American jobs that are almost always replaced by lower paying jobs for those who lose them. Great for their shareholders to make every dime they can and for their CEOs and management to get the biggest bonus checks but it all comes at the expense of those who lose their jobs with no similar paying jobs to replace them. Something has to give sooner or later because if these practices are allowed to continue then there will never ever be enough good paying middle class living wage jobs to go around and the unemployment rate and our economy will continue to suck.

 

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