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  posted on 8/1/2012 at 04:01 PM
Some y'all who know me, know that I use to be a regular here on the WP, especially representing a conservative (not Republican)/Libertarian viewpoint. Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe. So with that in mind, I've pretty much given up on the WP. I'll still post from time over in the "Anything Goes" forum, about music related topics. Bottom line, we all believe, think and feel what we want to believe and who's anyone to tell us that we're right or wrong? What we think, feel and believe is very much based on the live's that we have led, and unless someone has led the same live (which no one has) which we have led, who is to say what is right or wrong? Having said what I said, I wish everyone the very best in lives that the lead, and that we have more in common than we have different. People would do well to remember that. Unfortunately , people seem to forget that. In my mind, people really do need to focus on what we have in common, instead of our differences. I think if we did that the world would be a much bettter place. To all, you and yours take care.
 
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You certainly are right on most of the points you make. Although I certainly lean left, I don't on every issue, and I have never voted a straight ticket.

I will say that I have really learned a lot from reading the differing opinions in the WP, and have changed my opinion on some of the issues based on the arguments made here.

I appreciate the people that take the time to explain why they have the opinions they have, instead of just posting news clippings or just being obtuse just to be obtuse (or just to bash liberals in every post)

Thanks for your contributions, and good luck unplugging.........

But I'm still voting for Obama.....

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 05:44 AM
Take care, Fred

You will be missed.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 08:52 AM
Well that sucks I was just getting usd to pronouncing sibwlkr.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 09:01 AM
Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!

 

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Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!


Ain't it tho.

I can't quit you, baby!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 10:21 AM
yo Fred

outside of the heavy hitters, political that is...and they know who they are (and where I get a lot of thought-provoking stuff from) most of the WP, to me anyway, is purely for giggles.

especially when Sang and MacKenzie show up.

I'm pretty much grounded and secure in who and what I am and can't, at this stage of my life, be swayed in any topic, especially religion, which again to me anyway, is all that matters.

you're a good dude Fred...

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 12:43 PM

I dont blame you, its really a mess right now. there is so much spin and too many problems that neither party wants to talk about yet every average American is concerned about. Take a break, disengage, enjoy life, and pray a virus spreads throught the capitol and wipes out our current federal government and we have to start from scratch again

Come on back in November. There will be lots to discuss.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 01:49 PM
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You certainly are right on most of the points you make. Although I certainly lean left, I don't on every issue, and I have never voted a straight ticket.

I will say that I have really learned a lot from reading the differing opinions in the WP, and have changed my opinion on some of the issues based on the arguments made here.

I appreciate the people that take the time to explain why they have the opinions they have, instead of just posting news clippings or just being obtuse just to be obtuse (or just to bash liberals in every post)




Effin Pinko YRB.

[Edited on 8/2/2012 by alanwoods]

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 03:07 PM
Hillbilly goat lover.................

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 05:30 PM
When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 05:50 PM
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Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe.


Bingo, the golden rule. This is why it is suggested from an early age that we not discuss Politics and religion......

 

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Nevertheless I've come to the conlusion (excuse spelling) that people pretty much think and believe what they want to believe and that anything that get's said or posted here doesn't change anyone's minds one way or another, or make anyone think anything that they don't already believe.


Bingo, the golden rule. This is why it is suggested from an early age that we not discuss Politics and religion......




or Dickey........

 

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  posted on 8/2/2012 at 11:22 PM
Fred, that is bulls.....er ugh....Poppycock...

Although I don't post much in the WP, reading the posts have at least made me think many times on my position on things. I have adjusted some views..... And that is important....

I don't like call for the name calling (unless you are talking about Sang..., but civil discourse is what we need to be having....

I will hate to see you go.....


And what is a "conlusion"?

 

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When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?


Apparently, the sleeping in the park story has been verified by a reliable source.

 

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When are you two going to get to the part where you're making up stuff about one another?


Apparently, the sleeping in the park story has been verified by a reliable source.


True.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2012 at 06:52 PM
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Don't do it Fred, turn away from the light.........Your time is not at an end.....We need you here....If only for a little longer.

You'll be back, the WP is just too damn addictive!



Ain't that the effin' truth.... I started on the old site back around 1997 or 1998... I don't post nearly as much as I did in years past, but I have been here for it all... The Dickey episode, Gina's cataclysmic psychotic episodes following 9/11, the MUSHROOM saga, the rise and fall of Cliff N' Tina, Squatch, SantaCruz, etc... Now i'm a lurker mostly. I pm back and forth with several folks I have known over the years, but tooo much interaction on here with people who think they can change someone's opinions will take years off of your life. I personally am beginning to wonder whether my time here has been an investment or a waste. 15 years is a long time.

Mike.... Out...

 

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  posted on 8/3/2012 at 06:52 PM
If I ever do decide to hang it up, though, I will auction off the name "Mike" to the hightest bidder!!!!






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  posted on 8/3/2012 at 07:15 PM
Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2012 at 07:21 PM
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Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike

 

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  posted on 8/4/2012 at 10:20 AM
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Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike


No Mike, I was not referring to your daughter, but I did not want to make this a thread about religion. I have said I do not believe IVF is a procedure God approves of. He doesn't approve of abortion either, and I don't think he approves of transfusions or transplants because there are scriptures that say that the life force is in the blood, and people are commanded not to eat the blood of an animal. If people are not allowed to do that, how could they then be allowed to put the blood of another person into their bodies? I would accept a plasma transfusion or an autologous transfusion or worst case scenario possibly a familial transfusion since you come from the same blood line and DNA, but I would not want nor think it was permissable to have someone elses blood.

We could also question extraordinary means to prolong a life, how far is too far in the name of science? When there are moral, ethical and religious law contradictions to some of the practices? I am against vaccines, they are unnatural, our own bodies have a natural immunity. Who are these scientists and what right do they have to interfere with the natural life processes?

God does not believe in a great many other things that people accept such wars, a financial system based on usury etc. My remarks to you were not a personal attack by any means.

People can and do ignore his advice, edicts for their own desires and convenience, when he returns on Judgement Day he will correct those who are in error, and he will also teach many people that it is not part of his plan for people to levy their anger against others. That's my response.

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by gina]

 

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Fred, take some time off, but don't give up. Many times I felt as you do now. What I can tell you is that sometimes you do more good than you think you do. There may be people who read what you say and actually think about things in ways they never have, or they look into things because of what you have said. You can't open the minds and hearts of a close minded person, but there are others you can impact. I have been chastised by many, some telling me I did not know enough to try to educate anyone else so I should be quiet, by others telling me my interpretations were wrong.

As you know one of my quests was/is to exonerate Osama for the event of 911. Aside from mostly everyone here, Al Qaida did not even want anyone doing that. He wanted to take credit for the event for his own jihad reasons.

I was fighting for the truth to come out and those responsible to be held accountable, and all I got was people from nefarious govt. agencies harassing me (and some still do), creating confusion among the factions of fighters (what do you mean he didn't do it, we have not heard that before), and Osama wanting martyrdom more than anything else.

Nobody wanted to hear anything.

I have learned our job in life, whether as reporters, people of conscience or even religious leaders, followers or idealogues is simply to deliver the messages and let the people decide for themselves. Do not take on the task of trying to convince people, present your position, use convincing reason and proof, but do not set up the goal for yourself that success comes from bringing people over to your way of thinking. They have free will. God seals the hearts, minds of those he does not want in his kingdom, no matter what you say they will not understand, accept that. But still, present the facts as you know them, so that those who are meant to be called, will be called and awakened.

Thus, I say to you, do not give up on the Whippin' Post, just give up on the idea of needing to convince people and enjoying the victory of when you do. That is not an easy thing to do. Think about the apostles, they went from town to town presenting messages, it was up to the people to accept or reject them, they did not force anyone to accept their ideas. That is the example.




You mean those intepretations like suggesting that my daughter, conceived through IVF, doesn't have a right to exist since she, in your mind, wasn't God's plan? **** you.

Mike


No Mike, I was not referring to your daughter, but I did not want to make this a thread about religion. I have said I do not believe IVF is a procedure God approves of. He doesn't approve of abortion either, and I don't think he approves of transfusions or transplants because there are scriptures that say that the life force is in the blood, and people are commanded not to eat the blood of an animal. If people are not allowed to do that, how could they then be allowed to put the blood of another person into their bodies? I would accept a plasma transfusion or an autologous transfusion or worst case scenario possibly a familial transfusion since you come from the same blood line and DNA, but I would not want nor think it was permissable to have someone elses blood.

We could also question extraordinary means to prolong a life, how far is too far in the name of science? When there are moral, ethical and religious law contradictions to some of the practices? I am against vaccines, they are unnatural, our own bodies have a natural immunity. Who are these scientists and what right do they have to interfere with the natural life processes?

God does not believe in a great many other things that people accept such wars, a financial system based on usury etc. My remarks to you were not a personal attack by any means.

People can and do ignore his advice, edicts for their own desires and convenience, when he returns on Judgement Day he will correct those who are in error, and he will also teach many people that it is not part of his plan for people to levy their anger against others. That's my response.

[Edited on 8/4/2012 by gina]



Bulshit, Gina.... You're a liar.

Here's what you said after being told that my wife and I were able to conceive our own daughter through IVF....

If people cannot conceive in the manner God ordained for them to try to have children, they should accept that and stop trying to play God to suit their own desires. He may have some other purpose for the lives of the people who cannot have children, something else he wants them to do with their time and lives, but they just decide I WANT, it is what I want, refusing to accept what he decreed. That is the problem.

Just who the **** do you think you are that you presume to preach to me about what God intended. Had he intended everyone to love thier fellow man, he sure would have thought twice before creating you.

You believe what you think is right, and I will believe what I think is right, but the last damn thing you have the right to do is judge the manner by which another human being, namely my daughter, enters the world.

You rant in that thread made you sound like the most arrogant, hateful bitch in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, that's why I haven't even communicated with you in the forum since that happened.

Bigann made the statement in the thread from which I provided a quote. She said she repected your views even though she disagreed with them. I don't respect them, Gina, as your rants demonstrate your indifference for the lives and feelings of others. You have no interest in anything other than attempting to educate others with your own brand of philosophy and religion. Because you don't show any interest in respecting others, respecting you or your beliefs is probably the farthest thing from my mind.

Again, feel free to G.F.Y. Twice.



Mike


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  posted on 8/4/2012 at 04:32 PM
It's so interesting that your post in this thread, Gina, exemplifies the very reasons that Fred said he is living.


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  posted on 8/4/2012 at 05:29 PM
Mike,

Please check your pm.

I am 100% with you bro....what she said was beyond insensitive...simply put,darn mean.

Even if she feels the way she does,why does it have to be said.Cruel,soulless act.

Sadly,people like this cannot be engaged in rational debate..best to ignore her ranting.

Yet,I fully understand why you said what you did and I hope she finds the humility that is an intrinsic component of the religious person to refrain from responding further to you.

Best to you and your dear family.

 

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Please check your pm.

I am 100% with you bro....what she said was beyond insensitive...simply put,darn mean.

Even if she feels the way she does,why does it have to be said.Cruel,soulless act.

Sadly,people like this cannot be engaged in rational debate..best to ignore her ranting.

Yet,I fully understand why you said what you did and I hope she finds the humility that is an intrinsic component of the religious person to refrain from responding further to you.

Best to you and your dear family.


Thank you for your comments. I PM'ed you, but check them again. Just sent you another one..

Mike

 
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