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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 09:47 AM
I only have a few brothers shows but one thing tha puzzles me is that on none of them is there an extended version of Midnight Rider. With its beautiful melody i would have thought it would have led itself to be extended. Does anyone know of the reason behind this?
 
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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 09:51 AM
during the 2010 UP shows, they did a couple extended 'Midnight Rider' but stopped after that
for some reason.

And they were really nice, melodic jams too

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:01 AM
I think they are/were giving the crowd a break and keeping some tunes under the 15 minute mark.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:10 AM
They keep trying, but Gregg ends the song early.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:17 AM
Sometimes I get the feeling that the band plays it not because they want to but because they feel they HAVE to. Many times that I have seen them play it live it almost seems like they are on autopilot while they are playing it.

Maybe that's why sometimes Gregg is on the B-3 for it and sometimes he's on acoustic - to change it up.

I'd like to hear a long extended jam on it myself. Good suggestion.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:20 AM
Might be fun for them to go there next time Tommy Talton sits in. Perhaps at Chastain Park, since he lives in Atlanta?
 
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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:31 AM
I think it is one of a half dozen Brothers songs that are classics, because they are short and to the point. "Little Martha" fits that mold to me as well. Add the quote above: "Sometimes I get the feeling that the band plays it not because they want to but because they feel they HAVE to." ... Sounds like an "obligatory" thing they do for the fans, if that's the case, Joe fan would get bored with a song he couldn't sing....It is a fantastic cut in its original form Imho and needs no lengthening...

How does everyone feel about a 3 minute Elizabeth Reed?

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 10:54 AM
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I think it is one of a half dozen Brothers songs that are classics, because they are short and to the point. "Little Martha" fits that mold to me as well. Add the quote above: "Sometimes I get the feeling that the band plays it not because they want to but because they feel they HAVE to." ... Sounds like an "obligatory" thing they do for the fans, if that's the case, Joe fan would get bored with a song he couldn't sing....It is a fantastic cut in its original form Imho and needs no lengthening...

How does everyone feel about a 3 minute Elizabeth Reed?



I think it is a great song, possibly the greatest song Gregg has written. And my preference is for the version from Idlewild. I was not a big fan of the Laid Back version. Liked it, just not more than the original version. To me, it always seemed like it was written ABOUT Duane, and since he played on the original, there was a certain mojo to it....

I've never been real crazy about the latter day band's arrangement of the tune. I do think they play it every show because it is expected by casual fans, as it should be; it's one of their best known songs and without doubt one of Gregg's best, which is why it's been recorded by so many other people.

I just think it would be nice to hear 'em play with it a little, kinda like they did with Nobody Left To Run With, or Statesboro with the extended ending. Just because you decide to do something different doesn't mean you can't go back to the old way. You can at any time. But altering arrangements and trying new stuff is what improvisational bands do. And the Allmans are nothing if not an improvisational band.

I'm not saying they should stop playing it either - however at the Chicago Theater on 8-8-01, an epic show and one of the longest that year, they came off the stage about 10:55 and they had an 11 PM curfew or they would have to pay a fee to the promoter or the theater, or maybe have fees deducted, however that works - and I was in the pit watching Warren argue with Butch about what to play for the encore - turns out Warren wanted to play MJ and Butch was adamant that No Fockin' Way, because it would cost them - and Butch won so they came out played about a 4 minute version of MR and finished at like 10:59. Incredible letdown. GREAT song, absolutely the WRONG place for it.

Next year warren must have remembered because they played the most incredible version of MJ I have seen and what some have called the best since AFE.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 11:41 AM
I've never liked the electric intro to it when the current lineup plays it. No shot at Warren, just to my ears it always sounds so...awkward. Clumsy. After it gets started it's always fine, but...

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 11:52 AM
My favorite is the one on Duane Allman Anthology Vol. II - I believe it's from the Fillmore.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 11:56 AM
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I've never liked the electric intro to it when the current lineup plays it. No shot at Warren, just to my ears it always sounds so...awkward. Clumsy. After it gets started it's always fine, but...


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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 11:56 AM
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My favorite is the one on Duane Allman Anthology Vol. II - I believe it's from the Fillmore.


Mine too. Absolutely.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 12:27 PM
The 3 tunes I don't like to hear live anymore are Melissa , Please Don't Keep me wondering and Revival. They have turned most of these tunes into more guitar wars songs. PDKMW from Idlewild South and the live version from the Fillmore Concerts are my favorite versions. Now they changed the arrangement so Warren takes a straight solo in the middle that is just BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGG and revival has been turned in to some dead takeoff where they go into some endless dead jam at the end....yawn

some tunes are just complete as they be....

Melissa is probably my least favorite tune to hear live....it has never captured the magic of the studio recording

Midnight Rider from the Fillmore Concerts is my favorite live version

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 12:41 PM
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Mine too. Absolutely.


Incredibly melodic playing on that version. I never get tired of it.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 12:51 PM
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The 3 tunes I don't like to hear live anymore are Melissa , Please Don't Keep me wondering and Revival. They have turned most of these tunes into more guitar wars songs. PDKMW from Idlewild South and the live version from the Fillmore Concerts are my favorite versions. Now they changed the arrangement so Warren takes a straight solo in the middle that is just BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGG and revival has been turned in to some dead takeoff where they go into some endless dead jam at the end....yawn

some tunes are just complete as they be....

Melissa is probably my least favorite tune to hear live....it has never captured the magic of the studio recording

Midnight Rider from the Fillmore Concerts is my favorite live version

[Edited on 6/22/2012 by goldtop]


I haven't been satisfied with 'Melissa' since Dickey got the boot. However ...

in November of last year when they opened their second set at the Tower Theatre,
Warren was playing a goldtop ( ) and it had the sweetest tone since, well, since
'ole Dickey got the boot.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 12:55 PM
I read quite a while back that Gregg thought the original version was too fast and that's why he cut the Laid Back version, which is my favorite, btw. I like the song acoustic and slower, it seems to give it a better feel.
 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 01:12 PM
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I read quite a while back that Gregg thought the original version was too fast and that's why he cut the Laid Back version, which is my favorite, btw. I like the song acoustic and slower, it seems to give it a better feel.


I like that one just fine UNTIL the strings and the horns come in - so you go from the swamp to Carnegie Hall. Very jarring. Too bombastic - just doesn't work for me. LOVE Chuck's electric piano on the first part though, as well as Tommy Talton's dobro.

 

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I read quite a while back that Gregg thought the original version was too fast and that's why he cut the Laid Back version, which is my favorite, btw. I like the song acoustic and slower, it seems to give it a better feel.


I like that one just fine UNTIL the strings and the horns come in - so you go from the swamp to Carnegie Hall. Very jarring. Too bombastic - just doesn't work for me. LOVE Chuck's electric piano on the first part though, as well as Tommy Talton's dobro.


Both good posts.

I like the original & the Laid Back versions, but guess with a slight preference for the Laid Back version. The LB version is how Gregg & Friends do it live.

There's reference in Johnny & Ann's book about the intro of Midnight Rider for Laid Back. It's nice to have some first hand references now that this book is in print.

 

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I read quite a while back that Gregg thought the original version was too fast and that's why he cut the Laid Back version, which is my favorite, btw. I like the song acoustic and slower, it seems to give it a better feel.


I like that one just fine UNTIL the strings and the horns come in - so you go from the swamp to Carnegie Hall. Very jarring. Too bombastic - just doesn't work for me. LOVE Chuck's electric piano on the first part though, as well as Tommy Talton's dobro.


Both good posts.

I like the original & the Laid Back versions, but guess with a slight preference for the Laid Back version. The LB version is how Gregg & Friends do it live.

There's reference in Johnny & Ann's book about the intro of Midnight Rider for Laid Back. It's nice to have some first hand references now that this book is in print.


I feel the same. there's no denying that the original ABB version has that killer riff and the dual guitar lines to cap off the solo section but the Laid Back version seems more like the haunted man Gregg really is. He's riding to escape and the hellhounds are on his trail. Chuck's piano is perfect. I've seen Gregg & Friends do it several times and Jay Collins has been playing flute which is a fantastic addition to the song. ABB version if you're feeling rebellious and rambunctious, Laid Back version if you're feeling wistful and longing for escape. A great une either way. I hope they never stop playing it live - I don't mean an infinite jam lol. 4 minutes and out if fine with me.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2012 at 04:13 PM
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Agreed. When I hear it live now, bathroom time.

 

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  posted on 6/24/2012 at 10:53 PM
i love the original. the dueling guitars

 

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  posted on 6/26/2012 at 09:58 PM
After The Fillmore version; this one I like....awesome ending!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIOJ9mkDzbE

 

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  posted on 6/26/2012 at 10:06 PM
This rare one may be the best....love the 'look' Bonnie gives Gregg at the end...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAM98wDmZfA



 
 


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