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  posted on 6/5/2012 at 09:27 PM
I was wondering do you still like Santana? I liked the Santana until about 1974 or so. I have a couple after that but have not liked him that much. The last couple seemed to be a sell out if those are the right words. The first 3 or 4 CDs were great.
 
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  posted on 6/5/2012 at 09:32 PM
Saw him 2 years ago. Wasnt terribly impressed. Needs to play more and preach less.

 

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  posted on 6/5/2012 at 09:59 PM
I thought Santana was the best live band in the world in the mid-late 90s, after Warren and Woody left the ABB. I was just listening to a show from 1999 at Jazz Fest in New Orleans, a show that I went to, and I'm not sure I've ever heard a better guitar perfomance in person. When Carlos is on, he is absolutely magical to me. That tone!

I can understand those who criticize hiim for selling out with his recent albums, but Santana was a mighty musical force long after 1974. Moonflower is what, 1978? That is a great record, and even if you don't like his more recent stuff, at least extend your window by 4 years

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  posted on 6/5/2012 at 10:01 PM

I also think the first three records are great. I love the original line-up. The next few are good when you are in a fusion mood. I don't know his (their) albums very well after that.

I did see the band twice in the mid-late 90s. I thought they were amazing then. He didn't spend that much time speaking on stage at those shows if I remember correctly. I haven't seen them in over a dozen years now though.

I will be returning to Buffalo from out of town on the 22nd. I'm debating picking up a ticket for the Darien Lake show that night. I am going to the Peach festival for the ABB. I don't feel like it's a must-see like I may have in 1994 or even 1997, but I am lured by the idea of seeing Carlos join the Bros. or Derek join Santana, etc. Hmmm......

 

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  posted on 6/5/2012 at 10:42 PM
Huge Santana fan here.....

I own every album (cd) he ever made. He is right behind Duane and Dickey for me.

Saw him twice back in the mid to late 70's right around the Mooflower tour. Killer shows...

The side of Moonflower with Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen, Dance Sister Dance and Europa is some of the best live music ever recorded. Europa on this cd is one of the top guitar pieces ever written...

And I like his new stuff too. He can get his licks in with anyone

Thinking real hard about going to see him co-bill with the ABB. I can imagine there will be a few sit ins....

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:17 AM
I saw Carlos and band last year just north of the Texas border about an hour north of the DFW area. Geographicaly being a very conservative stronghold, I saw quite a few people shaking their heads with disgusted looking faces when Carlos went into the lovey dovey, be kind, we're all of the same stock spirituality speeches with a touch of ant-war thrown in there. I was quite suprised when they hung with Carlos and didn't leave...I myself booed loudly and I'm sure he heard me ( 4th row dead center seats ) and stepped out when they went into a couple of ACDC numbers which most of the crowd ate up. I really don't think he needed to play these, he seemed to be doing quite fine playing his music. I came back in when he went back into playing Carlos tunes.
I'd see him again...and I'd boo and step out again if he went into ACDC tunes once more

 

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I saw Carlos and band last year just north of the Texas border about an hour north of the DFW area. Geographicaly being a very conservative stronghold, I saw quite a few people shaking their heads with disgusted looking faces when Carlos went into the lovey dovey, be kind, we're all of the same stock spirituality speeches with a touch of ant-war thrown in there. I was quite suprised when they hung with Carlos and didn't leave...I myself booed loudly and I'm sure he heard me ( 4th row dead center seats ) and stepped out when they went into a couple of ACDC numbers which most of the crowd ate up. I really don't think he needed to play these, he seemed to be doing quite fine playing his music. I came back in when he went back into playing Carlos tunes.
I'd see him again...and I'd boo and step out again if he went into ACDC tunes once more


He does need to shut up and play the guitar. And if he played an AC/DC song, I'll probably get thrown out.....

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 01:14 AM
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And if he played an AC/DC song, I'll probably get thrown out.....


Now thats what I'm talking about !

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 06:27 AM
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Saw him 2 years ago. Wasnt terribly impressed. Needs to play more and preach less.


Amen and hallelujah!

I appreciate his tone more than his technique but he seems to take himself a bit too seriously for me. Great tunes, great band - but is it really necessarry to bring a show to a near end so a bunch of pre-teens can come down to the pulpit and touch the hem of his guitar? Just play the axe, Carlos!

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 06:38 AM
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Huge Santana fan here.....

I own every album (cd) he ever made. He is right behind Duane and Dickey for me.

Saw him twice back in the mid to late 70's right around the Mooflower tour. Killer shows...

The side of Moonflower with Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen, Dance Sister Dance and Europa is some of the best live music ever recorded. Europa on this cd is one of the top guitar pieces ever written...

And I like his new stuff too. He can get his licks in with anyone

Thinking real hard about going to see him co-bill with the ABB. I can imagine there will be a few sit ins....


Well Said Bluedad. I have worn out my Moonflower vinyl and also love Europa (earth's cry).
Saw Carlos at the beach on L.I. last summer and thought he still brings it.
Again, I don't think Santana needs to do any cover songs, especially not ACDC, it doesn't add up to me.
They had the crowd going with Jingo, Soul Sacrifice, Black Magic Woman, Oye Como va, etc. Good energy IMHO.
As far as the lovey dovey spiritual stuff, it doesn't bother me in the least. Especially when people are in their 60s like Carlos and Gregg Allman, what's wrong with a little profession of love or faith? Gregg said in a recent interview on Piers Morgan, forgive me for ad libbing, he wants to be remembered as someone who touched the inner soul of people with his music and as a man who loves his God. Santana's preaching lasts about 2 minutes long and everything else is music. If it effects one person in a positive way, then I don't see any harm in it. People have done a lot worse / weirder things than that on stage.
I say give the old guys a break, let them talk for a minute if they want, they have years of wisdom.
Then sit back and enjoy the show. No reason to get pissed off and walk out. Now, when they get political it bothers me.
But me personally, I can tune that out and still enjoy a show for what I came to see. If it's not for me, I'll go pee or get a beverage. Lighten up.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 07:06 AM
"Carlos went into the lovey dovey, be kind, we're all of the same stock spirituality speeches with a touch of ant-war thrown in there."

Wow, you booed that Haisija? I wasn't there, so I don't know the whole story, but it's hard to see what is so offensive about that. I guess if he had gone on about how he should all hate each other, you would have given him a standing ovation?

Carlos can get preachy at times, but his spirituality is an inherent part of who he is and one of the reasons his music is so powerful. As Col. Bruce would say, his intention is impeccable.

 
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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 07:58 AM
I saw Santana a few yrs back with Steve Winwood and I can honestly say it was one of the best shows I saw that yr. I am looking forward to seeing with the brothers

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 08:02 AM
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I saw Carlos and band last year just north of the Texas border about an hour north of the DFW area. Geographicaly being a very conservative stronghold, I saw quite a few people shaking their heads with disgusted looking faces when Carlos went into the lovey dovey, be kind, we're all of the same stock spirituality speeches with a touch of ant-war thrown in there. I was quite suprised when they hung with Carlos and didn't leave...I myself booed loudly and I'm sure he heard me ( 4th row dead center seats ) and stepped out when they went into a couple of ACDC numbers which most of the crowd ate up. I really don't think he needed to play these, he seemed to be doing quite fine playing his music. I came back in when he went back into playing Carlos tunes.
I'd see him again...and I'd boo and step out again if he went into ACDC tunes once more


How dare Carlos for talking about loving one another in Texas! Dispicable! LOL!

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 08:08 AM
I think Jon was mainly complaining about Carlos choosing to play AC/DC tunes.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 09:46 AM
Saw him in 08 w/ dTb, and it was great. Had some sit-ins w/ Derek during the Santana set. Carlos introduced him as the "annointed one." Obviously great to see the mutual respect those two had for each other. Carlos did a speech about "brother Obama." Even I rolled my eyes at that!

Saw him again in 10 w/ Winwood (no sit-ins sadly). He was promoting the guitar masters album, and also had some rap songs. Left early, which I almost never do.

I will say this about his spirituality, even though I do not subscribe to that at all, at least it is brief and Carlos is sincere and is not just pandering. As Rob said, it's part of who he is, so it's not a problem. Rap is a problem.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 10:30 AM
People (rock music fans, especially) don't seem to mind entertainers rambling on about their spirituality - as long as its' some sort of exotic spirituality. But I've seen and heard many a groan when an entertainer goes off on a Christian-based rant.

For me, it's just not part of what I paid for. Some folks indicate that Carlos only spends a couple of minutes on his sermons. Seems like the last Santana show that I attended started off with a long-ish (longer than 5 minutes) video of Carlos delivering his message. Then there was the spot in the show where he had all these children come down to the stage (who were these select-chosen kids?) for an additional several moments of praise and exhaltation.

Hey! It's all good stuff! It's from his heart and he means it. But I can get the same message for a lot less than $75 - $150 for free on any given Sunday at my local church.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 10:31 AM
He's a good guitar player but I find his playing/style boring these days. I'd rather listen to Rory Gallagher.

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 10:49 AM
Just got copy of his new one,Shapeshifter....haven't listened yet...any thoughts?
 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 11:06 AM
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Wow, you booed that Haisija? I wasn't there, so I don't know the whole story, but it's hard to see what is so offensive about that. I guess if he had gone on about how he should all hate each other, you would have given him a standing ovation?



No Rob, I was actually quite entertained watching the all the pistol packing Texans shaking their heads in disagreement, squirming in their seats doing everthing they could to resist running up on stage to tar and feather Carlos for his comments. I feel certain that if Carlos would have pulled out a couple of machine guns ala Nuge and screamed out "Obama suck on one of these" it would have been the loudest applause of the night from the Rick Perry Brigade.

Carlos and his band playing acupla ACDC tunes was odd to me, totally caught me by the shoelaces. I was quite happy with the Santana music. Very powerful percussion section.



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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 11:45 AM
I know there are a lot of technical junkies out there but if I had to pick a couple of guitar palyers who capture the raw emotion,tone and one who plays from the heart it would be Santana and Duane Allman.


 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:11 PM
While I am not a big fan of Santana's pop-inspired stuff, I have never seen a bad Santana show. Saw him one in the mid seventies, couple of times in the early nineties and four times in the past few years.

The MSG show (when he toured with the DTB) was certainly one of the best ever shows I have seen of ANY band.

The recent shows, other than Dance the Night Away, Sunshine of Your Love, and Can't You Hear Me Knocking were all good. The pop stuff does not sound so poppy when you have a freight train of a percussion section behind you and no pop singers.

I agree with Brock about his sincerity, but like others, I would prefer the music without the preaching.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:16 PM
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I was wondering do you still like Santana?


YES!! He's definitely in my top 5 favorite guitarists.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:29 PM
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People (rock music fans, especially) don't seem to mind entertainers rambling on about their spirituality - as long as its' some sort of exotic spirituality. But I've seen and heard many a groan when an entertainer goes off on a Christian-based rant.

For me, it's just not part of what I paid for. Some folks indicate that Carlos only spends a couple of minutes on his sermons. Seems like the last Santana show that I attended started off with a long-ish (longer than 5 minutes) video of Carlos delivering his message. Then there was the spot in the show where he had all these children come down to the stage (who were these select-chosen kids?) for an additional several moments of praise and exhaltation.

Hey! It's all good stuff! It's from his heart and he means it. But I can get the same message for a lot less than $75 - $150 for free on any given Sunday at my local church.


Well, this is potentially a big topic for the WP, but as it pertains to musicians on stage, here are my thoughts.

We live our lives in accordance with beliefs whether conscious or not. You can not really separate one's actions from one's beliefs.....even if only learned and unexamined. Unfortunately, religion plays a large role in the beliefs of many. We can't truly separate politics from our beliefs. So therefor, politics and religion go hand in hand, and both hand in hand with our actions. If you are a performer with convictions, then you can not be true and also not take advantage of the podium. Maybe the music and words of the songs are enough to convey things, or maybe you feel compelled to say a few things to the audience or play a video. I guess that doesn't bother me....we pay for the experience of seeing someone perform. It may not be limited to music. if they are known for spending time on things you don't get much out of....then I guess we stop paying to go.

Back to the point of the post I quoted; music is thought to be a form of communication that transcends language....a way of connecting from the heart. In this way it lends itself to a universal "spirituality" found in humanity. This kind of spirituality can be rooted in reason (to paraphrase a good book I've been reading...the End of Faith) and still be meaningful as a quest into our own subjectivity as juxtaposed with our sense of belonging to all that is and was. This may sound goofy to some, but it resonates much more for me as than the Santa clause-like mythologies of our religious texts which so many clutch to so dearly.

Whoops...I went WP on everyone there....but it is ANYTHING GOES, right? I understand that even Carlos is fairly Christian with his ramblings and I'd tire of that myself. But in a broader sense, I don't mind politics or spirituality mixed with my music. How can we separate it? Just listen to the songs.....
But yes, generally we value these artist for the musical and lyrical form, not the rhetorical. So I hear you...

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:29 PM
I would have preferred the AC / DC tunes to listening to him go off on a soliloquy. Hopefully he keeps the banter to a minimum, and the jammin to a maximum when I see him this Summer, not that I don't respect his views, just didn't buy a ticket to listen to a speech. Overall, the man is still one of my all-time favorites to ever have hoisted an axe.

 

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  posted on 6/6/2012 at 12:30 PM
I've always loved Santana's music - 1st concert I ever attended was Santana at the Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, IA. I was 14. Loved him ever since. Love his 70's albums and am in total agreement with Bluedad on Moonflower. Had it in my car cd player a couple weeks ago. I must have played both cd's 5 times through before moving on to something else. Also played Caravanserai several times in a row - good for the soul.

 

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