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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 04:27 PM
Here is a list of all the songs Gregg has written and released since 1969:

1969
It's Not My Cross to Bear
Black Hearted Woman
Every Hungry Woman
Dreams
Whippin' Post

1970
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Midnight Rider
Please Call Home
Leave My Blues at Home

1971
Hot Lanta

1972
Ain't Wastin' Time No More
Melissa
Stand Back

1973
Wasted Words
Jelly Jelly
Come & Go Blues
Queen of Hearts
Multi-Colored Lady

1974
Double Cross*
Oncoming Traffic

1975
Win, Lose or Draw
Nevertheless

1977
Let This Be a Lesson to Ya*
One More Try
Bring it On Back Home

1979
Just Ain't Easy

1980
Mystery Woman*
So Long*

1981
Leavin'
Never Knew How Much
Things You Used to Do*

1985
Hopelessly Miss You

1987
Anything Goes
Evidence of Love*
Things That Might Have Been*
Yours for the Asking*
Faces Without Names*
Lead Me On*

1988
Demons*
Fear of Falling*
Island*
Night Games*
Ocean Awash the Gunwhales*
Good Clean Fun*

1990
End of the Line*

1991
Get on With Your Life
End of the Line*

1994
All Night Train*
Sailin' 'Cross the Devil's Sea*
What's Done is Done*
Temptation is a Gun*

1997
Come Back & Help Me*
House of Blues*
Wolf’s a Howlin’

2003
Firing Line*
High Cost of Low Living*
Desdemona*
Old Before My Time*
Rockin' Horse*

2012
Just Another Rider*

That’s 60 songs that Gregg Allman has written that have been released in some form since 1969, the year the Allmans formed. 60 songs in 43 years.

Now, while the very best of Gregg's work stands alongside of the very best work of perhaps any other popular artist, there is still a lot to be desired in terms of output, and I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.

I made the distinction as to what songs he wrote alone and co-wrote since it seems like a solo Gregg composition is an extreme rarity since the 1980's began. For example, it's well-documented that Gregg had little to do with "End of the Line," "Rockin' Horse" and some others, and I hesitate even counting those as Gregg songs.

Gregg makes mention in his book of how Seven Turns was a great record because everybody was writing songs... but that's not true. Gregg only co-wrote "Good Clean Fun," which was mostly penned by Dickey and Johnny Neel.

For years, Gregg has spoken about how Dickey's dominance held the others - Gregg included - down. Well, where is the evidence of that? George Harrison made similar claims about Lennon/McCartney and, following the breakup of that band, went onto release All Things Must Pass, chock full of AMAZING Harrison originals.

At this point, I am still waiting for Gregg, who spends so many pages of his book talking about being a songwriter, and knocking others - namely, Dickey - in the process, to show the world just exactly what he has been hiding all these years.

[Edited on 6/3/2012 by fschiazza]

 

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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 05:13 PM
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Now, while the very best of Gregg's work stands alongside of the very best work of perhaps any other popular artist, there is still a lot to be desired in terms of output, and I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.



Great post - especially your sentences quoted above. I think there are many Allman fans hungry for Gregg to record something new that he wrote. He is a tremendous writer and well overdue to put out something new. Looking at your list, it's pretty obvious that almost all of Gregg's solo songwriting took place in '69 & the '70's, and that's a long long time ago. Gregg was cranking out some powerful tunes - one after another. From there forward, mostly what we hear are tunes he's credited with as a cowriter. I hope the well hasn't gone dry.


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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 05:17 PM
Cool list. Gregg can write a hell of a song when he wants too,but he is going to need warrens help these days and warren is putting his best effort in to the mule which is great news. But sure wish Gregg would write some more tunes like just another rider. Love that song.
 

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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 05:47 PM
Hot Lanta was a band composition.

I know people all have different things that they like about the band, but that ultimately it is the "whole" which is more important than the sum of the parts.

Having said that, Gregg's songs after 1973 just don't do it for me. I regard most of them as filler which means that the standout tracks for me have mostly been Dickey and/ or Warren tunes.

He is not my idea of a great songwriter.




 

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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 06:27 PM
I know that Gregg had very little input in the three 1997 songs. Wolf's Howling was a completed song when Gregg changed a couple of chords during the recording and he was given a piece of the song. I was told by Todd Smallwood that he wrote House of Blues and gave Gregg credit for recording it. Whether or not that's the truth, that's what I was led to believe and in light of later events I thought it was an accurate statement. I don't know how much he wrote on Come Back and Help Me but I do know it started out as a Jack Pearson song.

That's not saying Gregg can't write a song on his own, just a clarification of those particular songs.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2012 at 07:13 PM
I guess it's a matter of how you look at it (glass half empty or half full deal). When I see that list, I think here's a guy, who while not very prolific, can, and has, written some great songs. I'm a fan, but I don't think Gregg owes me, or anyone else for that matter, more songs. If we get some, great. If not, Gregg and many other songwriters have left plenty to keep me preoccupied.
 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 06:09 AM
It just reminds me how small of a window a songwriter can have. A lot of the songwriters who are considered "the best" wrote the vast majority of their best material within the span of just a few years.

We tend to think of Dylan as this amazingly prolific songwriter, but how long was his "window" for greatness, really? 5-7 years?



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It just reminds me how small of a window a songwriter can have. A lot of the songwriters who are considered "the best" wrote the vast majority of their best material within the span of just a few years.

We tend to think of Dylan as this amazingly prolific songwriter, but how long was his "window" for greatness, really? 5-7 years?




I guess it depends on how you define or observe "greatness". I read last week that Bob Dylan is getting ready to release his 40th(+) album.

Bob's said himself that he can't write the fantasy-laced stuff that he did in his younger days. But he's almost entered a second ... third(?) phase of his career. He is still as enigmatic as ever - constantly reinventing (or revisiting?) himself.

Fair to say or assume that everybody who was ever a Dylan fan may not like everything that he does from hence out, but he is writing and recording new material - has been for some time.

The songwriting Muse is a tricky and fickled one. Hard to say when inspiration will strike or who will be the fortunate victim.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 09:06 AM
Interesting list.

Obviously, Gregg has written some great songs and is not very prolific. No one can debate that. To even compare him to Dylan is therefore silly. Bob wrote album after album of great material and lots more of not-great, often interspersed with brilliance.

BUT... I think this is ridiculous.
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I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.


No one has a right to demand that anyone write more great music. It does not work that way.

 

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Interesting list.

Obviously, Gregg has written some great songs and is not very prolific. No one can debate that. To even compare him to Dylan is therefore silly. Bob wrote album after album of great material and lots more of not-great, often interspersed with brilliance.

BUT... I think this is ridiculous.
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I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.


No one has a right to demand that anyone write more great music. It does not work that way.




Ditto!, Fans demanding that he write more songs? That may be one of the more stupid things I have read on this site and God knows that has been many stupid things written here. Demand? Geez, some people.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 09:54 AM
Thanks for completing this list of songs, I had done just solo albums in another thread.

This really makes it clear for me why Gregg depends so heavily on his early material in shows
(ABB and solo) and on albums, including the oddity of putting 1 old song on some of his solo records decades after recording the tune the first time.

He really does not have a lot of material to call his own.

I was listening to a tape of the band live from 5/69 and he was a very active part of the band, had several solos, he was real present in (what's left of) that mix, moreso than anytime after 72 or 73.

I love his music but it's real clear that hiding behind the Hammond and hiding behind the drugs really took a toll on the music. We're fortunate to have what we have given that he has been so consumed by outside interests.

His last album was cover songs. Tells all. I'm not sure the guy has anything left to say after a lifetime of kicking back and not saying much. And I don't mean that as a slam.

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Interesting list.

Obviously, Gregg has written some great songs and is not very prolific. No one can debate that. To even compare him to Dylan is therefore silly. Bob wrote album after album of great material and lots more of not-great, often interspersed with brilliance.

BUT... I think this is ridiculous.
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I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.




No one has a right to demand that anyone write more great music. It does not work that way.



And I already know what Greggs response would be to said ridiculous demand too.




[Edited on 6/4/2012 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 09:58 AM
Jelly Jelly?

Isnt it a cover?

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 10:11 AM
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Here is a list of all the songs Gregg has written and released since 1969:

1969
It's Not My Cross to Bear
Black Hearted Woman
Every Hungry Woman
Dreams
Whippin' Post

1970
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Midnight Rider
Please Call Home
Leave My Blues at Home

1971
Hot Lanta

1972
Ain't Wastin' Time No More
Melissa
Stand Back

1973
Wasted Words
Jelly Jelly
Come & Go Blues
Queen of Hearts
Multi-Colored Lady

1974
Double Cross*
Oncoming Traffic

1975
Win, Lose or Draw
Nevertheless

1977
Let This Be a Lesson to Ya*
One More Try
Bring it On Back Home

1979
Just Ain't Easy

1980
Mystery Woman*
So Long*

1981
Leavin'
Never Knew How Much
Things You Used to Do*

1985
Hopelessly Miss You

1987
Anything Goes
Evidence of Love*
Things That Might Have Been*
Yours for the Asking*
Faces Without Names*
Lead Me On*

1988
Demons*
Fear of Falling*
Island*
Night Games*
Ocean Awash the Gunwhales*
Good Clean Fun*

1990
End of the Line*

1991
Get on With Your Life
End of the Line*

1994
All Night Train*
Sailin' 'Cross the Devil's Sea*
What's Done is Done*
Temptation is a Gun*

1997
Come Back & Help Me*
House of Blues*
Wolf’s a Howlin’

2003
Firing Line*
High Cost of Low Living*
Desdemona*
Old Before My Time*
Rockin' Horse*

2012
Just Another Rider*

That’s 60 songs that Gregg Allman has written that have been released in some form since 1969, the year the Allmans formed. 60 songs in 43 years.

Now, while the very best of Gregg's work stands alongside of the very best work of perhaps any other popular artist, there is still a lot to be desired in terms of output, and I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.

I made the distinction as to what songs he wrote alone and co-wrote since it seems like a solo Gregg composition is an extreme rarity since the 1980's began. For example, it's well-documented that Gregg had little to do with "End of the Line," "Rockin' Horse" and some others, and I hesitate even counting those as Gregg songs.

Gregg makes mention in his book of how Seven Turns was a great record because everybody was writing songs... but that's not true. Gregg only co-wrote "Good Clean Fun," which was mostly penned by Dickey and Johnny Neel.

For years, Gregg has spoken about how Dickey's dominance held the others - Gregg included - down. Well, where is the evidence of that? George Harrison made similar claims about Lennon/McCartney and, following the breakup of that band, went onto release All Things Must Pass, chock full of AMAZING Harrison originals.

At this point, I am still waiting for Gregg, who spends so many pages of his book talking about being a songwriter, and knocking others - namely, Dickey - in the process, to show the world just exactly what he has been hiding all these years.

[Edited on 6/3/2012 by fschiazza]
This post , coming from a supossed musician makes me wonder???. Gregg Allman writes songs when the inspiration strikes, or else its contrived. [his words] he doesnt owe you me, or anyone else new songs.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 10:14 AM
Bobby Bland recorded a version of "Jelly Jelly Jelly" in 1961.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 10:29 AM
Ann, who wrote "Been Gone Much Too Long" ??? - I think that is a Gregg song - done by the Hourglass - but all I can find right now gives credits to The Hourglass.

I have always loved that song.

 

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I found credit to Gregg for the song on the Anthology II track listing.

Was this one that was recorded in Muscle Shoals?

edit: Well, hell, I answered that one for myself, also.

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Gregg is my favorite song writer!!!

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 10:57 AM
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Gregg is my favorite song writer!!!


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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 11:21 AM
I guess what I want to ask is ... compared to what? Has Gregg written more songs than
say.. BB King, or Eric Clapton or do we want to compare, if in fact that is what we are doing here, his song writing output to Neil Young or Frank Zappa? Not sure that it
matters... at all. Correct me if I am wrong, some on this thread seem to be saying
Gregg has not written enough songs to.... to.... to what? Get the band into
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or afford him a very successful career of 40 plus years,
garner Grammy's or Lifetime Achievement awards? Hell, he helped to create an entirely
new genre to music, aint' that enough. He is also credited with reworking some of the old
blues covers the band plays. Not to be defensive or over the top, he owes us nothing
and I personally owe him a lot. If the last song he ever wrote was "Oncoming Traffic"
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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 11:47 AM
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Here is a list of all the songs Gregg has written and released since 1969:

1969
It's Not My Cross to Bear
Black Hearted Woman
Every Hungry Woman
Dreams
Whippin' Post

1970
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Midnight Rider
Please Call Home
Leave My Blues at Home

1971
Hot Lanta

1972
Ain't Wastin' Time No More
Melissa
Stand Back

1973
Wasted Words
Jelly Jelly
Come & Go Blues
Queen of Hearts
Multi-Colored Lady

1974
Double Cross*
Oncoming Traffic

1975
Win, Lose or Draw
Nevertheless

1977
Let This Be a Lesson to Ya*
One More Try
Bring it On Back Home

1979
Just Ain't Easy

1980
Mystery Woman*
So Long*

1981
Leavin'
Never Knew How Much
Things You Used to Do*

1985
Hopelessly Miss You

1987
Anything Goes
Evidence of Love*
Things That Might Have Been*
Yours for the Asking*
Faces Without Names*
Lead Me On*

1988
Demons*
Fear of Falling*
Island*
Night Games*
Ocean Awash the Gunwhales*
Good Clean Fun*

1990
End of the Line*

1991
Get on With Your Life
End of the Line*

1994
All Night Train*
Sailin' 'Cross the Devil's Sea*
What's Done is Done*
Temptation is a Gun*

1997
Come Back & Help Me*
House of Blues*
Wolf’s a Howlin’

2003
Firing Line*
High Cost of Low Living*
Desdemona*
Old Before My Time*
Rockin' Horse*

2012
Just Another Rider*

That’s 60 songs that Gregg Allman has written that have been released in some form since 1969, the year the Allmans formed. 60 songs in 43 years.

Now, while the very best of Gregg's work stands alongside of the very best work of perhaps any other popular artist, there is still a lot to be desired in terms of output, and I don't think it's unfair for us fans to demand more NEW music from these guys - Gregg, specifically.

I made the distinction as to what songs he wrote alone and co-wrote since it seems like a solo Gregg composition is an extreme rarity since the 1980's began. For example, it's well-documented that Gregg had little to do with "End of the Line," "Rockin' Horse" and some others, and I hesitate even counting those as Gregg songs.

Gregg makes mention in his book of how Seven Turns was a great record because everybody was writing songs... but that's not true. Gregg only co-wrote "Good Clean Fun," which was mostly penned by Dickey and Johnny Neel.

For years, Gregg has spoken about how Dickey's dominance held the others - Gregg included - down. Well, where is the evidence of that? George Harrison made similar claims about Lennon/McCartney and, following the breakup of that band, went onto release All Things Must Pass, chock full of AMAZING Harrison originals.

At this point, I am still waiting for Gregg, who spends so many pages of his book talking about being a songwriter, and knocking others - namely, Dickey - in the process, to show the world just exactly what he has been hiding all these years.

[Edited on 6/3/2012 by fschiazza]


I'm sure Gregg has written many more songs that what is listed. He just doesn't think they fit the ABB or his own project. Sometimes song writers write and then not use that song. Do you play very song you've written??

I have way more that I don't play then I do. Plenty that are in different stages or just completely forgotten about

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 02:27 PM
He had written some great songs IMHO.

I think what is harder for any artist to do is to take a previously recorded version of a song they didn't write and perform it in a way that at least compares to or makes me forget about the original.....

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 04:49 PM
And one more, "One More Ride" (one of the rare songs co-written with Dickey Betts according to Gregg's biography) from the 1970 Idlewild South sessions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlTamcbxy1Q

Don't know why this full version (rather than a short instrumental section) was not included on the Dreams anthology box set.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 05:24 PM
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I found credit to Gregg for the song on the Anthology II track listing.

Was this one that was recorded in Muscle Shoals?

edit: Well, hell, I answered that one for myself, also.

[Edited on 6/4/2012 by alanwoods]


Sorry I'm running behind the curve....you're right. Gregg wrote the song and the HourGlass recorded it in Muscle Shoals.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2012 at 05:37 PM
"He is also credited with reworking some of the old blues covers the band plays."

By who? I don't think of Gregg being the one working up the arrangement for the ABB's version of songs like Statesboro Blues, You Don't Love Me, etc. I tend to think of Duane, or more recently Warren, being the one doing that kind of work for the ABB.

As I said in one of the Tedeschi Trucks Band threads, just because you are the lead singer doesn't mean you call the shots. Gregg has never been the lead dog musically in the ABB.

"I'm sure Gregg has written many more songs that what is listed."

I don't know why you are so sure of that. Seems to me that a guy who has a lot of songs in his pocket puts more than one original on his first solo album in over a decade.

Gregg has never been prolific, except for the very early days of the ABB, but you can make a strong argument for quality over quantity. He has written some of the very best rock and/or blues songs in the history of manking, and for that we should all be grateful.

 
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