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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 04:56 PM
...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 05:14 PM
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...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.





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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 05:19 PM
Good for you guys! Everyone has their own feelings and opinions. It's all part of the ABB... The Road Goes On Forever.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 05:28 PM
I pretty much thought the same. There's almost a sense of "I can't believe I did that" to some of it. And for all the people saying all he does is bash Dickey, that's not true. He praises the things he appreciates like Dickey's love for his brother, his guitar playing, etc and is open about the things he disliked, like Dickey's "my way" attitude which apparently many people didn't like. I just finished Alan Paul's One Way Out oral history and Woody wasn't into taking crap from Dickey and even Oteil mentioned in an offhand way that Dickey could get in your face about stuff. Great player or not, sometimes enough is enough with that kind of stuff if it makes everyone uncomfortable. People occasionally (often) slam Gregg for not stepping up when Duane died but it's obvious that he took it incredibly hard and dove head first into addiction. He was way to wasted to lead a band and too haunted by his brother to want to try to fill those shoes. fast forward to late 90's and Gregg sobers up, works out some issues and more or less takes control of the band in the form of a democracy with Butch & Jaimoe. Some people got their wish. Gregg stepped up once he was sober and shortly there after Dickey is gone. Be careful what you wish for.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 05:45 PM
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People occasionally (often) slam Gregg for not stepping up when Duane died but it's obvious that he took it incredibly hard and dove head first into addiction. He was way to wasted to lead a band and too haunted by his brother to want to try to fill those shoes. fast forward to late 90's and Gregg sobers up,

So how does Gregory get from the day after Duane died to the mid '90's and sober, as a member of the Allman Brothers Band, and eventual lifetime achievement award, if he fires Dickey Betts the day after his brother dies?

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 06:32 PM
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...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.




I agree. and this is the best description of the book I've read.

I am also a fan of Richard Betts. I really love his GS records. I respect his abilities and actions when Duane died. In an interview when his album came out, Gregg gave Dickey credit for leading the band and holding it together after Duane's death. I wish this feud over Dickey and the ABB would end.



[Edited on 5/31/2012 by ruthelane]

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 08:40 PM
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Huh? The day after Duane died, he fired Dickey Betts? I didn't know that!

In MCTB Gregory states he should have fired Dickey Betts the day after Duane died.

 

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Huh? The day after Duane died, he fired Dickey Betts? I didn't know that!

In MCTB Gregory states he should have fired Dickey Betts the day after Duane died.


That would have been a really stupid thing to do!

 

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  posted on 5/30/2012 at 10:33 PM
Whatever became of their relationship, no one should wish away the great music that they made. Whether it's "Brothers and Sisters," "Enlightened Rogues," "Seven Turns," or "BWIAB," these are vital pieces of music that the ABB united served up.
 

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...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.


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I agree. and this is the best description of the book I've read.

I am also a fan of Richard Betts. I really love his GS records. I respect his abilities and actions when Duane died. In an interview when his album came out, Gregg gave Dickey credit for leading the band and holding it together after Duane's death. I wish this feud over Dickey and the ABB would end.


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Exactly!

it seems there are those that insist on whipping up the feud over and over and over again, throwing in digs and what have you ,every chance they get..

It's really rather sad

Perhaps if the "fans" that insist on requrgitating the same ol trash talk , had been more thoughtful ,there may have been a greater chance at some kind of meeting of the minds ?

at this stage of the game, there is a little gang of small-minded "men" that sound like nothing more than a nasty bunch of old yentas..it makes one wonder what on earth Dickey could have ever done so bad in this life to deserve such bad kharma from his fan club.

 

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Perhaps if the "fans" that insist on requrgitating the same ol trash talk ,

Did you mean fans, or Butch Trucks?

 

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Perhaps if the "fans" that insist on requrgitating the same ol trash talk ,

Did you mean fans, or Butch Trucks?


With the way that some of this silly back and forth $hit goes on a daily basis, I'd say the fans.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 11:33 AM
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Perhaps if the "fans" that insist on requrgitating the same ol trash talk ,

Did you mean fans, or Butch Trucks?


With the way that some of this silly back and forth $hit goes on a daily basis, I'd say the fans.


I agree and think this feud is no longer much of an issue between the actual members of the ABB but is continued mostly by the fans (and I'm not excusing myself by the way) constantly rehashing it. It's been nearly 11 years after all and I suspect the members have moved on. It seems they only discuss it in interviews and in tell-all books (obviously) and so we shouldn't get the impression that it's that big an issue in their current lives.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 12:32 PM
One take away for me from the book is the extent to which it seems Jaimoe was responsible for much of what I like about the ABB. I love the jazzier side of the band - and from the book it seems Jaimoe was responsible for bringing most of that to the group and turning the members on to it. Jaimoe also comes across as the guy I'd most like to friends with - at least from the original members. Now, that's based on Gregg's descriptions of course - but still - I have a whole new respect for Jaimoe's place in the band's history.

The other odd thing for me was the disdain for the music of the Grateful Dead. They've played dozens and dozens of shows with the Dead or associated bands. Their memebers frequently sat in with each other's groups - indeed Garcia and Kreutzman are big part of the NYE '73 show Gregg mentions so fondly - yet he doesn't mention them at all. The ABB even cover various Dead songs sometimes now, they played the whole tribute to Garcia section of their set on his birthday a few years back etc. Yet, Gregg says he didn't like Garcia and didn't understand their music. I found it a little odd.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 12:59 PM
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One take away for me from the book is the extent to which it seems Jaimoe was responsible for much of what I like about the ABB. I love the jazzier side of the band - and from the book it seems Jaimoe was responsible for bringing most of that to the group and turning the members on to it. Jaimoe also comes across as the guy I'd most like to friends with - at least from the original members. Now, that's based on Gregg's descriptions of course - but still - I have a whole new respect for Jaimoe's place in the band's history.

The other odd thing for me was the disdain for the music of the Grateful Dead. They've played dozens and dozens of shows with the Dead or associated bands. Their memebers frequently sat in with each other's groups - indeed Garcia and Kreutzman are big part of the NYE '73 show Gregg mentions so fondly - yet he doesn't mention them at all. The ABB even cover various Dead songs sometimes now, they played the whole tribute to Garcia section of their set on his birthday a few years back etc. Yet, Gregg says he didn't like Garcia and didn't understand their music. I found it a little odd.


But, then, at the end, he says this:

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It's an exceptional feeling to see all those young folks at the shows. When I was a kid, I didn't listen to Tommy Dorsey. There was a generational line drawn when it came to music. Kids today love Jimi Hendrix and the Grateful Dead - all kinds of good music. They love the Allman Brothers. There's that old saying, "Fun for ages six to sixty," and by God, that's what our audience is."


This type of thing really hammers home that the book was pretty much dictated. Spoken words written down never comes across as clear as words written in the first place. The reverse is also true when people try to write the way they talk. To me, I concluded that Gregg had a mixed opinion of the Grateful Dead, no more, no less. Also, what we don't know is exactly when some of these stories were told/recorded. That may play into it too.

 

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People occasionally (often) slam Gregg for not stepping up when Duane died but it's obvious that he took it incredibly hard and dove head first into addiction. He was way to wasted to lead a band and too haunted by his brother to want to try to fill those shoes. fast forward to late 90's and Gregg sobers up,

So how does Gregory get from the day after Duane died to the mid '90's and sober, as a member of the Allman Brothers Band, and eventual lifetime achievement award, if he fires Dickey Betts the day after his brother dies?


I don't think he would have.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 01:05 PM
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...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.




I just finished it too and I agree it was a good read but it wasn't very insightful. I ordered the Buddy Guy book today and I think his stories will be more exciting. Has anybody read both?

 

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People occasionally (often) slam Gregg for not stepping up when Duane died but it's obvious that he took it incredibly hard and dove head first into addiction. He was way to wasted to lead a band and too haunted by his brother to want to try to fill those shoes. fast forward to late 90's and Gregg sobers up,

So how does Gregory get from the day after Duane died to the mid '90's and sober, as a member of the Allman Brothers Band, and eventual lifetime achievement award, if he fires Dickey Betts the day after his brother dies?


I don't think he would have.


I don't think I implied anywhere in my post that I thought firing Dickey in 71 would have been a good idea.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 02:11 PM
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...I gotta wonder if I'm the only one, but...

...I didn't find it to be nearly as revealing, insightful, bitter, mean, petty, anti-woman, nor as juicy nor steamy as all of the comments I've read about it. I just didn't see any of all that.

To me it read like a guy telling stories. No more, no less. 70s rock and roll megastar gets a ton of women and ingests a ton of party favors and reflects on the people he's known in his life. I didn't take that to be all that earth-shattering. I think that because it reads like transcribed interviews, it lacks any context at all that could have been better elaborated if it was actually written.

Glad I read it, though, I guess, and no disrespect intended to Gregg, but, my final reaction to is...meh.




I agree. and this is the best description of the book I've read.

I am also a fan of Richard Betts. I really love his GS records. I respect his abilities and actions when Duane died. In an interview when his album came out, Gregg gave Dickey credit for leading the band and holding it together after Duane's death. I wish this feud over Dickey and the ABB would end.



[Edited on 5/31/2012 by ruthelane]




Well said Ruthy !! X2

 

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  posted on 5/31/2012 at 03:29 PM
I read the book and at the end felt like I had just read the answers to a series of essay questions. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it and really didn't have any expectations going in...I'm sure if each member wrote or dictated their recollections of the same events they would all be colored by time and perspective and we would be left to sort through it all.
I agree that the "feud' nonsense has to end, and we can do that right here. Remember with the 3 original members we're dealing with grown men in their 60's who are now beginning to pay the price physically for all the fun they had in the past, just like the rest of us who are lucky enough to be growing older, they are going to be grouchy and **** ly at times. Those who have met various members of the band have varying recollections...of course.....think back to the time and place. I am in no way excusing any kind of rude behavior towards the fans...without us ...no band...well there'd be a band but not as successful as they've been. The way I see it is if they offend you in person, call them on it. They are in the end people with all of the foibles that people possess.!

 

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  posted on 6/2/2012 at 11:58 AM
I had the same feeling about the book. Meh. It was just a rambling history of hs life.
I wish he were a little more respectful of women though.

 
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  posted on 6/2/2012 at 01:36 PM
I've read both, end enjoyed both, although neither will ever threaten "best musical biography" that I've read.

Buddy's book is most interesting, to me, up to his "revival" with Damn Right. His upbringing, coming to Chicago, and the absolute awe he held, and still holds, for his heroes like Muddy and John Lee.

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  posted on 6/2/2012 at 09:04 PM
Buy Buddy Guy's book .. funny stories and he's likeable. Gregg's book has no emotion ..

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  posted on 6/2/2012 at 11:16 PM
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Buy Buddy Guy's book .. funny stories and he's likeable. Gregg's book has no emotion ..

[Edited on 6/3/2012 by cubchubby]


I've read Gregg's book and agree. Not much emotion there. Have Buddy's but haven't started it yet. Really looking forward to it. Hopefully tomorrow.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2012 at 11:30 PM
All the f words made it very sophomoric.

 

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