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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 11:57 AM
I just finished it up and its a fun read - a must read for ABB fans, of course. There are some priceless stories and insights. But there are few issues I have with it. There are a number of inconsistencies in Gregg's book that have me scratching my head.

1) When Gregg tells the story of his first time playing with the ABB there is absolutely NO mention of how he felt insecure and didn't think he could cut the gig, only to have Duane call him a coward and push his buttons enough until he tried and sang Trouble No More and blew everyone away. This is especially troubling since I've heard Gregg himself tell the story before! This is a major part of the bands history/folklore and how could he in a "tell all" autobiography leave it out???

2) The story of when Clapton showed up to the ABB show that led to the after gig jam and eventually Duane playing on the Layla sessions - as the story has been told by a number of people - when Duane saw EC in the audience he stopped cold in the middle of a solo at the sight of EC and the Dominoes at the foot of the stage. In the book Gregg says Duane spotted him but there is no mention of Duane stopping:

After I **** myself, I looked over to Duane, thinking, “I hope to Christ he doesn’t see him, because this will either be the finest ‘Whipping Post’ we’ll ever play, or this **** er’s going to fall apart.” But Duane didn’t notice anything, so we finished the show with a real good “Whipping Post,” and then Duane eases over to me and said, “Baybrah, dig who the **** is sitting over there.” “Man, I saw him two songs ago,” I said. “Do you see them **** ing boots, man?” Duane had a real thing for clothes back then—we both did.

Allman, Gregg (2012-05-01). My Cross to Bear (Kindle Locations 2586-2591). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Not a real big deal - but it does make me wonder what the deal is.

My biggest issue, however, is concerning Dickey Betts. I have no problem with Gregg calling out Dickey on his demons, his bad temper, his unwillingness to turn down the volume, etc, etc. I do have a problem with his unwillingness to seemingly give Dickey ANY credit at all for all his musical contributions to the band, for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman". The ABB owes much of whatever commercial success (i.e. profits) it had to Dickey's songwriting, singing and stellar guitar playing. We are all well aware of the man's flaws - I'm NOT saying it wasn't the right thing to do to replace him - only the band themselves can make that call - but the man deserves credit for the all the good work he did too.

 

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I just finished it up and its a fun read - a must read for ABB fans, of course. There are some priceless stories and insights. But there are few issues I have with it. There are a number of inconsistencies in Gregg's book that have me scratching my head.

1) When Gregg tells the story of his first time playing with the ABB there is absolutely NO mention of how he felt insecure and didn't think he could cut the gig, only to have Duane call him a coward and push his buttons enough until he tried and sang Trouble No More and blew everyone away. This is especially troubling since I've heard Gregg himself tell the story before! This is a major part of the bands history/folklore and how could he in a "tell all" autobiography leave it out???

2) The story of when Clapton showed up to the ABB show that led to the after gig jam and eventually Duane playing on the Layla sessions - as the story has been told by a number of people - when Duane saw EC in the audience he stopped cold in the middle of a solo at the sight of EC and the Dominoes at the foot of the stage. In the book Gregg says Duane spotted him but there is no mention of Duane stopping:

After I **** myself, I looked over to Duane, thinking, “I hope to Christ he doesn’t see him, because this will either be the finest ‘Whipping Post’ we’ll ever play, or this **** er’s going to fall apart.” But Duane didn’t notice anything, so we finished the show with a real good “Whipping Post,” and then Duane eases over to me and said, “Baybrah, dig who the **** is sitting over there.” “Man, I saw him two songs ago,” I said. “Do you see them **** ing boots, man?” Duane had a real thing for clothes back then—we both did.

Allman, Gregg (2012-05-01). My Cross to Bear (Kindle Locations 2586-2591). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Not a real big deal - but it does make me wonder what the deal is.

My biggest issue, however, is concerning Dickey Betts. I have no problem with Gregg calling out Dickey on his demons, his bad temper, his unwillingness to turn down the volume, etc, etc. I do have a problem with his unwillingness to seemingly give Dickey ANY credit at all for all his musical contributions to the band, for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman". The ABB owes much of whatever commercial success (i.e. profits) it had to Dickey's songwriting, singing and stellar guitar playing. We are all well aware of the man's flaws - I'm NOT saying it wasn't the right thing to do to replace him - only the band themselves can make that call - but the man deserves credit for the all the good work he did too.


As for number 1, maybe he feels he's told it so often he didn't need to do it again. I didn't get my presale autographed copied or any copy yet so I don't know the context. Butch tells the same Duane story over and over and maybe Gregg didn't want to venture into that territory, or maybe it was in there and the editor pulled it for similar reasons. A lot of what is excluded often has to do with the editor.

As for number 2, I bet some people speak in hyperbole about the Duane/Clapton in an attempt to show the impact and respect, But by all accounts Duane was a seasoned professional, played with tons of "stars" and probably would not have stopped dead in the middle of a solo. It's probably a case of the story becoming the memory for some folks. I would believe Gregg on this one.

I can't wait to read this book! Come on mail man, bring it on home!

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 12:47 PM
I can't speak as to the first to but as to the Dickey issue, Johnny's book is pretty clear as to Dickey's contribution to the band.

 

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As for number 1, maybe he feels he's told it so often he didn't need to do it again. I didn't get my presale autographed copied or any copy yet so I don't know the context. Butch tells the same Duane story over and over and maybe Gregg didn't want to venture into that territory, or maybe it was in there and the editor pulled it for similar reasons. A lot of what is excluded often has to do with the editor.

As for number 2, I bet some people speak in hyperbole about the Duane/Clapton in an attempt to show the impact and respect, But by all accounts Duane was a seasoned professional, played with tons of "stars" and probably would not have stopped dead in the middle of a solo. It's probably a case of the story becoming the memory for some folks. I would believe Gregg on this one.

I can't wait to read this book! Come on mail man, bring it on home!


I'd be surprised if the editor cut the story of the first time Gregg sang with the band. Not to say you're wrong - I don't know - but it seems like a juicy story that an editor would want in - not out! Duane getting in Gregg's face and challenging him to overcome his fear in front of the band only to have Gregg knock it out of the park is a pretty dramatic story. I'm sure if I was making a movie about the ABB that scene would be an important one! I don't think that story is all that commonly known outside of us peach-heads - so I can't imagine it was cut because it would be redundant.

As for Duane stopping - maybe somebody here has a tape of that show and can tell us if there are any abrupt stops that night?

Ann - yes, Johnny gives Dickey his due - and no disrespect to him or you - but Johnny's name isn't Allman - Gregg should be able to give Dickey credit on his own - it's his name on the band after all. Just seems he goes out of his way to kick Dickey just about every chance he got - which felt petty to me.




[Edited on 5/3/2012 by philipag]

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 01:28 PM
No disrespect taken, but just making a point that there is an alternative to Gregg's version that objectively gives Dickey his rightful place in the history of the band. I suppose if Gregg didn't, it must mean the rift is still raw.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 01:35 PM
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My biggest issue, however, is concerning Dickey Betts. I have no problem with Gregg calling out Dickey on his demons, his bad temper, his unwillingness to turn down the volume, etc, etc. I do have a problem with his unwillingness to seemingly give Dickey ANY credit at all for all his musical contributions to the band, for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman". The ABB owes much of whatever commercial success (i.e. profits) it had to Dickey's songwriting, singing and stellar guitar playing. We are all well aware of the man's flaws - I'm NOT saying it wasn't the right thing to do to replace him - only the band themselves can make that call - but the man deserves credit for the all the good work he did too.


Maybe Dickey should write a book....

 

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My biggest issue, however, is concerning Dickey Betts. I have no problem with Gregg calling out Dickey on his demons, his bad temper, his unwillingness to turn down the volume, etc, etc. I do have a problem with his unwillingness to seemingly give Dickey ANY credit at all for all his musical contributions to the band, for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman". The ABB owes much of whatever commercial success (i.e. profits) it had to Dickey's songwriting, singing and stellar guitar playing. We are all well aware of the man's flaws - I'm NOT saying it wasn't the right thing to do to replace him - only the band themselves can make that call - but the man deserves credit for the all the good work he did too.


Maybe Dickey should write a book....


Man, that would be a great book!

As far as Gregg's book goes, I wouldn't be too nit-picky. Let the man tell his story the way he wants to.

EDIT: I also read Johnny and Ann's book. Highly recommended!

[Edited on 5/3/2012 by Igotnuthin]

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 01:48 PM
I'm still waiting for my book, I can't wait. As far as a Dickey book the first thing I thought of was the Ty Cobb movie with Robert Wuhl

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 01:54 PM
Ann - That's right on the money - it's still raw and reads that way.


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I'm still waiting for my book, I can't wait. As far as a Dickey book the first thing I thought of was the Ty Cobb movie with Robert Wuhl


You mean that like Cobb, Dickey is a great "player" who was hated by his" teammates"?

 

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As for number 1, maybe he feels he's told it so often he didn't need to do it again. I didn't get my presale autographed copied or any copy yet so I don't know the context. Butch tells the same Duane story over and over and maybe Gregg didn't want to venture into that territory, or maybe it was in there and the editor pulled it for similar reasons. A lot of what is excluded often has to do with the editor.

As for number 2, I bet some people speak in hyperbole about the Duane/Clapton in an attempt to show the impact and respect, But by all accounts Duane was a seasoned professional, played with tons of "stars" and probably would not have stopped dead in the middle of a solo. It's probably a case of the story becoming the memory for some folks. I would believe Gregg on this one.

I can't wait to read this book! Come on mail man, bring it on home!


I'd be surprised if the editor cut the story of the first time Gregg sang with the band. Not to say you're wrong - I don't know - but it seems like a juicy story that an editor would want in - not out! Duane getting in Gregg's face and challenging him to overcome his fear in front of the band only to have Gregg knock it out of the park is a pretty dramatic story. I'm sure if I was making a movie about the ABB that scene would be an important one! I don't think that story is all that commonly known outside of us peach-heads - so I can't imagine it was cut because it would be redundant.

As for Duane stopping - maybe somebody here has a tape of that show and can tell us if there are any abrupt stops that night?

Ann - yes, Johnny gives Dickey his due - and no disrespect to him or you - but Johnny's name isn't Allman - Gregg should be able to give Dickey credit on his own - it's his name on the band after all. Just seems he goes out of his way to kick Dickey just about every chance he got - which felt petty to me.
[Edited on 5/3/2012 by philipag]


I'm surprised too that's it's not in there which is why I guessed he may have left it out since he's told it so many times. Could just be pure oversight, or they may have had a minimum/maximum number of words to meet and felt other parts were more important to keep and still show Duane as a driving force for Gregg. Just guessing. Someone should ask him at a book signing! I may get to one in NYC and if i do I'll ask and report back.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 02:21 PM
Only read 2 chapters of MCTB, and already shaking my head about Gregg's take on things.



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for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman".

To hear Gregg tell it...."Dickey was just not a natural leader".

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just making a point that there is an alternative to Gregg's version

Which is exactly why I'm going to read Gregg's book, then Johnny's version of events.




 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 02:49 PM
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Only read 2 chapters of MCTB, and already shaking my head about Gregg's take on things.



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for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman".

To hear Gregg tell it...."Dickey was just not a natural leader".

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just making a point that there is an alternative to Gregg's version

Which is exactly why I'm going to read Gregg's book, then Johnny's version of events.


Which is exactly why I'm going to read Gregg's book, then Johnny's version of events


Excellent approach -- as heartily recommended as the reading itself --
shoot -- Johnny Sandlin, at 13 years of age, sat in with the Killer -- Jerry Lee Lewis -- now talked about being annointed (?) in life -- & yes, after I read in Gregg's book that "the fist thing I would've done had I been leader [after Duane & Berry died] was fire Dickey Betts and get another guitar player"
...also, when he completely blames Jaimoe's firing on FRB when Gregg & Butch also voted Jaimoe out
-- the resentment of Dickey Betts throughout the book is a little too much for me --
but it's still a good read & the music of Gregg & the ABB has been in me for too long to take seriously any weirdness...

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 06:11 PM
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Only read 2 chapters of MCTB, and already shaking my head about Gregg's take on things.



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for stepping into the leadership vacuum created by the deaths of Duane and Berry and becoming the band's "frontman".

To hear Gregg tell it...."Dickey was just not a natural leader".

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just making a point that there is an alternative to Gregg's version

Which is exactly why I'm going to read Gregg's book, then Johnny's version of events.




Yeah, interesting how Kirk West isn't even in the Index. What a crying shame.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 06:12 PM
When an author writes a book, it's his choice along with the publisher as to what gets included or excluded. It's also the author's perspective of others referenced in the book and the history as explained. Hey, whatever Gregg chooses to write, I'm on board for what it's worth. No one ever gets 100 percent of expectations, but from what I've seen posted on this site, most posters seem to be pretty dam pleased.

I'm looking forward to both Gregg's book & Johnny / Ann's book arriving in the next couple days.

 

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Oh, and a comment on Dickey not being a natural leader. Maybe he wasn't but he sure as hell tried and I didn't hear much but "singing" (if you could call it that some nights) coming out of Gregg's mouth for quite a few years except a whole lot of mumbling.
Witness the Saturday Night in Macon Georgia video and fast forward to their acceptance into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Shabbily dressed, hair unwashed and stoned out of his mind, I wouldn't exactly say Gregg was a natural born leader.
This is not to say I don't love this band and always have, but let's get real here.
I should have bought Johnny's book first, Ann. I should have known better.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 06:54 PM
I'm surprised that people posting on this thread, some of Gregg's biggest fans, are shocked, shocked! That GREGG ALLMAN wrote a book and FORGOT to mention people or didn't give people their proper due.
You guys are aware of his health issues and have seen Gregg interviewed in the last 15 years?
I am grateful that he was able to put a book together.
No disrespect but certainly the old cliche about remembering the 60s applies to anyone it's Gregg

 

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When an author writes a book, it's his choice along with the publisher as to what gets included or excluded. It's also the author's perspective of others referenced in the book and the history as explained. Hey, whatever Gregg chooses to write, I'm on board for what it's worth. No one ever gets 100 percent of expectations, but from what I've seen posted on this site, most posters seem to be pretty dam pleased.

I'm looking forward to both Gregg's book & Johnny / Ann's book arriving in the next couple days.


True. However, if it weren't for Kirk and Kirsten, there would be no Big House Museum, no massive collection of every picture and tape and archival item that they could find and now EJ carefully watches over. Hey, the house itself would probably have been ripped down years ago had they not kept it in the best shape they could. Whatever went down with Gregg and Kirk is their business, but to totally ignore a man who dedicated decades of his life to this musician is a damn shame.

From what I'm reading there's a whole lot of bad blood still flowing out there - from Phil Walden, to Willie Perkins to Kirk. Everyone that took care of this band and the guitarist that wrote easily half the songs, who was ying to Duane's yang is either ignored or subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) bashed. The water flowed under the bridge ages ago; Gregg's health is not good. For Karma's sake, I wish Gregg had let used this opportunity to let the resentments go. Life is too damn short and it's getting shorter.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 07:03 PM
Gregg clearly should have submitted this book to the peanut gallery for their approval. Just unbelievable.
 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 07:03 PM
I'm surprised that people posting on this thread, some of Gregg's biggest fans, are shocked, shocked! That GREGG ALLMAN wrote a book and FORGOT to mention people or didn't give people their proper due.
You guys are aware of his health issues and have seen Gregg interviewed in the last 15 years?
I am grateful that he was able to put a book together.
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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 08:02 PM
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I'm surprised that people posting on this thread, some of Gregg's biggest fans, are shocked, shocked! That GREGG ALLMAN wrote a book and FORGOT to mention people or didn't give people their proper due.

"Forgetting" Kirk West... is like forgetting that you are in the ABB!
I know others who were/are a big part of Gregg's life who were not mentioned also. Quite unbelievably in one instance!

[Edited on 5/4/2012 by fanfrom-71]

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 08:04 PM
Nobody in the band to include Dickey gave a hoot about the big house. Any of them could have bought the house ten times over. They did not care to collect all of the stuff. It was a labor of love that Kirk had to collect and obtain tha majority of what is in their. In the end he profited well from it all. If Gregg wanted to write a chapter on the big house im sure Kirk would have been mentioned.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 08:33 PM
Let's not forget the lawyers. What may or may not be included in a book about living people is reviewed by a legal team. There's a history of litigation between Betts & ABB. There's plenty for Gregg to write about excluding Dickey.
 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 09:31 PM
Truth be told, I think Kirk West should write his own book. From the late 80s onward he was part of the ABB story and he'd have an insight that few would be able to talk about. If he's not working on one already, he should be.

 

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1) It's a great read, more informative, and gutsy honest than I thought he'd manage. One of the best rock memoirs I've read. And I've read a lot of them. 4.5 stars.

2) It clearly needed another edit and some fact checking - there are a lot of inconsistencies.

3) wow, amazing, the remaining members of the ABB do not and will not kiss DB's a**. Can you POSSIBLY get OVER it PEOPLE? Y'all are on Gregg and ABB for the same thing that you aren't doing either: LET IT GO.

4) IF Gregg+heroin+needles="news" is brand new news to anyone - wow, did you miss the last 40 years??? Yeah. Most of the band shot some dope some of the time.

5) No matter how many pictures they'd put in that book, I'd want more.

7) I got the 'enhanced' kindle version: save your money the enhancements are not worth it. Not well done. IMO.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2012 at 09:48 PM
And Gregg was hurt that Dickey didn't call after his surgery? Some one needs to let ol' Gregg he can't have it both ways.

 

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