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  posted on 1/16/2004 at 08:25 PM
...during Joyful Noise from the 11.29.03 show, Derek holds a note for what I count as 18 seconds....then Susan Tedeschi proceeds to preach to us with that great voice of hers.

That's it - just a random Friday night thought....

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  posted on 1/16/2004 at 08:30 PM
Some other folks reported the same 18 seconds and some say it is 19. I just said OMG!!!!

 

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  posted on 1/16/2004 at 08:33 PM
...hehe...I'm not about to break out a stop watch - let's just say it's a long time and it fits just right in the song...

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 03:11 AM
Jack Pearson held one note for 23 seconds during an ABB show. I'm just sayin' is all. They're both amazing.

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 09:04 AM
Hey Marley - which show is that?

I'd like to hear it.

And, no, this isn't a contest...

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 10:01 AM
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Jack Pearson held one note for 23 seconds during an ABB show. I'm just sayin' is all. They're both amazing.


Still not a contest but what kind of gear does Jack use. I just know he used G&L and perhaps a Randall head, but did he use any kind of effects? I'd like to hear both.

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 11:40 AM
Somewhere on Santana's Lotus album, which was a triple import LP live in Japan in 1974, Carlos was holding notes literally 40, 60 seconds or more. This was maybe on "Mantra" or "Samba Pa Ti," and he'd just hold them straight or put the slightest wavers in them from time to time. Meanwhile, the band is cooking, sometimes furiously.

With patience and trust in Carlos's guidance, at first you'd go with it and start sailing up into the heavens on the note, but after 30 seconds or so, you'd start seeing an unwholesome countenance infiltrating your soul. Look out--it's Sri Chinmoy!

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 01:26 PM
I've heard a few times where Jack Pearson held a note for 20 - 30 seconds. Jack does it a little diffrently than Derek does. Jack had an ability to use "controlled feedback" to help him sustain the note. The only effect Jack used The ABB was an Ibanez TS-9 tube Screamer, which is a little green box you would see in front of him. Its simply an overdrive that would give him a little boost and add a little "hair" around the notes. Derek sustains more with a slide stuff I believe. Derek turns his amp way up, almost all the way up I believe which helps him hold these incredible notes. Both players have "the touch" which only comes with practice and of course having tons of natural ability.
 
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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 02:22 PM
Peter took the words out of my mouth. For single-not sustain, Carlos is the king. Lotus has lots of long notes, but I think the longest is on Every Step of The Way. It takes tremendous confidence and tone to pull that off and make it sound good.

During Jingo at Jazz Fest in New Orleans a few years ago, Carlos held a note for every bit of two minutes and a friend of mine saw God

 
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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 10:46 PM
Hell, if your idea of a good guitar solo includes only one note, you outta here me play.









(One note's just about all I got!)

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 10:51 PM
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(One note's just about all I got!)


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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 11:38 PM
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One note's just about all I got!)


I can name that tune in one note....

 

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  posted on 1/17/2004 at 11:50 PM
Neil young Cinnamon Girl does a 1 note solo.....pure incredible.

 

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  posted on 1/18/2004 at 12:08 AM
in heaven the angels are all singing....the closer to God they are the fewer notes they sing. the ones closest are singing 1 long beautiful note...so i've heard
 

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  posted on 2/1/2004 at 09:12 PM
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in heaven the angels are all singing....the closer to God they are the fewer notes they sing. the ones closest are singing 1 long beautiful note...so i've heard
Billy you have heard this? I would like to, too!

Last week I caught blues guitarist-singer Larry McCray, whom many people consider to be the best blues guy of the post-Hendrix generation. Larry's playing style comes mostly from Freddie and Albert King but has taken on a pretty intense originality, where you wouldn't say, "Oh, he plays Freddie style." Some of you may know him from his having recorded "Soulshine" several years ago and sharing the bill with Gov't Mule, is this right?

Anyway, there was one song where Larry started holding a note. Unlike Carlos, he didn't put a variety of vibrato on it or anything--he just held a plain loud note. After about 20 seconds, he looked up absently and pretended to fan a yawn from his mouth. At about 30 seconds he dropped back into the solo and resumed tearing it up. There wasn't any purpose to Larry's held note except for the little shtickle at the end. Well, and then lots of people cheered, like it had been equivalent to one of those Star Search vocalists holding a high note.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 03:42 AM
ISTR Gary Moore stating a couple of years back that his fans would have bets on how long he would hold THAT note in Parisienne Walkways (if you know the song, you know where it is!) - he would get angry concert-goers berating him after the show, if they felt he'd short-changed them and held it for less than a minute, or whatever
 
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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 08:05 AM
On Barry Richman's first album, Moment of Now, he covers Europa and holds a note for an entire verse. Barry's playing reminds me of Carlos AND Gary Moore, among others.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 08:42 AM
hmm...sometime in 91 i, I guess, Gary Moore playin' Parisienne Walkways, Live at the Hammersmith Odeon. held that darn note for about 60 seconds. sounded real bad, he couldnt really control his feedback .

..and just for the record Carlos Santana still is one of my favorites in this area. this is definitely his turf.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 09:57 AM
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Somewhere on Santana's Lotus album, which was a triple import LP live in Japan in 1974, Carlos was holding notes literally 40, 60 seconds or more. This was maybe on "Mantra" or "Samba Pa Ti," and he'd just hold them straight or put the slightest wavers in them from time to time. Meanwhile, the band is cooking, sometimes furiously.

With patience and trust in Carlos's guidance, at first you'd go with it and start sailing up into the heavens on the note, but after 30 seconds or so, you'd start seeing an unwholesome countenance infiltrating your soul. Look out--it's Sri Chinmoy!


That's a very astute observation on Carlos' style - he's very particular about when he'll use vibrato ("waver"). He actually uses it very rarely, preferring to hold sustained (or bent and sustained) notes without any vibrato. That's probably a reflection on his musical influences and upbringing. I always find it amusing when I hear a bar band do a cover of Black Magic Woman, and guitarist plays those first 6 notes - "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baaaaaaa", wiggling the string like crazy on that last sustained note. Oops....

 
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  posted on 2/2/2004 at 10:01 AM
Terry Kath, the track "Listen" on the 1st? CTA release. IIRC, Kath sustains a note throughout most if not all of the song.

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  posted on 2/8/2004 at 02:54 PM
on the bonnarroo 02 dvd trey anastasio holds a note for about 57 seconds without any distortion/feedback/vibrato.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2004 at 03:23 PM
I Held a note for longer than any of them. It was the last time I had A Chicken Vindaloo!!!!:-)

 

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  posted on 2/9/2004 at 02:10 AM
Peter Green was known for this technique in his day. It may be where Carlos picked it up. You can hear it on the John Mayall album he played on, A Hard Road. He does one of his own tunes (Supernatural) and the sustain he gets is so clear and strong, you get the feeling he could hold it forever.

A few years back I saw Buddy Guy open for B.B. King. He played a Goldtop Les Paul for the whole show, except for half of one song where he broke out the Strat (I assume to fulfill his endorsement contract). Anyway, he could really sustain some notes on that LP. At one point, he hit a note and held it, then signaled to one of his stagehands. He waited patiently as a cup of something was brought out to him, took a long sip still holding the note, then carefully set the cup down (still holding) before ripping into a nasty solo. I doubt he got up in the two minute range but it was great showmanship all the same. At another point he walked out into the crowd (this was at Alltel Pavillion, not some small club) and flirted with a few ladies, eventually ending up in a rather large woman's lap (still playing of course). A stagehand followed him carrying a microphone, and he sang a verse from the crowd. Even B.B. had a hard time following Buddy that night.

[Edited on 2/9/2004 by Jeck]

 

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