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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 03:17 PM
so my company is about to hang up 10 pictures of "great innovators" of recent history. i suggested derek trucks to my ceo, but he said that derek was simply great, but not necessarily an innovator.

i told him that i was going to post the question here any get back to him with feedback.

so, please help out a brother and give me some ammo for how derek is an innovator. thanks all y'all.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 03:25 PM
I'm impressed your CEO knew about Derek.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 04:55 PM
Ditto Mike and I'd have to agree with the CEO as well. While Derek maybe the most interesting guitar improvisor today, he isn't an innovator. He may also be pushing the boundaries of slide guitar, but he didn't create the sound or technique. I think your boss is probably asking you to dig a little deeper ... How about getting with the program and suggesting someone like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. Just because you know of a musical artist outside the mainstream you may well have said Justin Bieber. Madonna would be more of an innovator than say Derek. Or perhaps the creator of "auto tune."

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 06:16 PM
It depends on how you define innovator.
Compared to Jobs or Gates? probablly not

to me, Derek combines rock, jazz, blues, and Eastern music in an original way. All artists build on what came before them. Given that, I think Derek is an innovator.
as much as Elvis, the Beatles, or Hendrix? again probably not.
but I do think he is original and innovative

 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 07:02 PM
Elvis, The Beatles, and Hendrix, like Derek, all built on what came before them. How much was borrowed, how much was bent, how much was all brand new? How much had never been done before?

Most musical innovators that I know of are this: the people who got most famous for doing something that most people had not heard done before, or for doing things in a way that most people had not heard done before.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 07:09 PM
I think he is, with his fusion of music from every geographical point on this earth, he has created a new sound, so yeah, he is a musical innovator at the same level that many of the musicians that we love and hate here.
So yeah, within the world of music he is an innovator.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 07:44 PM
Seems like Les Paul would be the best musical choice.
 

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  posted on 3/24/2012 at 08:08 PM
Les Paul or Leo Fender

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 05:53 AM
Like Warren, Derek brought nothing new to the table of modern music. I'm a little disappointed about those guys. So much talent, incredible musicianship but no innovative approach. They are both rehashing old stuff in a nearly perfect way. Nothing really wrong with that, any symphony orchestra does the same I guess.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 07:47 AM
I disagree; I do believe Derek brings some different sounds to modern music. I certainly think some of the jazz and world music sounds that he blends into rock and blues and instrumentals are unique.

That is not to say that he is the first guy to bring other flavors into music, but he is the only guy who sounds like Derek Trucks. I know George Harrison brought Indian music into the Beatles' sound, but it did not sound like what Derek does. I know Duane brought Coltrane influence into the ABB but not to the extreme that Derek did.

So Derek does not do something completely new, such as playing the guitar with a porcupine. He is also part of a band that plays an already established form of music, and he joined them when they had a very established song catalogue, and he is faithful to those things. (As a result, I think his innovations are more evident in the DTB stuff) However, I hear him taking slide guitar to places Duane Allman did not go, and that is innovative.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 10:04 AM
Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Les Paul were all on the list of people I immediately thought of. Also, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and the Wright Brothers. And Bob Geldhof and George Harrison for innovative ideas regarding addressing human/social issues.

And of course Al Gore for inventing the internet.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 10:29 AM
Well ... In Sully's initial post ... his boss wanted suggestions of folks who would be considered "GREAT innovators of RECENT history." Using that criteria, that would eliminate Derek or Ford, Edison and Paul. Derek because his innovations (whatever they may be) aren't that great although again I find Derek to be the most interesting improvisor today. And the others wouldn't be considered recent IMO although they are truely great. In Corporate America the ability to follow the CEO's directions is what I believe Sully's boss was looking for more so than the actual end result.

What does Sully's pick reflect to his boss? Ok sure Derek is an innovator. He has expanded the ability to play in open E more than anybody else. Of course his efforts pale in comparison to say Jimmy Page of Michael Hedges who expanded the broader category of open tunings. And another thing ... don't get me wrong ... I love Derek's playing ... However, since the beginning he has always surrounded himself with musicians of at least equal talent. Just look at the band he's touring with now for christsakes!!! Even the singer ... Lol! Would Derek be able to hold our attention in a solo context??? Seriously ... I don't think so.

So back to my question in the last paragraph. Sully picks Derek Trucks. One of his coworkers picks Steve Jobs. Another picks the inventor of autotune. If I'm Sully's boss and I'm looking to promote based on this excercise alone, who am I going to pick regardless of whether I'm a Derek Trucks fan or not ...

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 11:34 AM
"Would Derek be able to hold our attention in a solo context???"

Speaking for micelf, I would be there and listen as long as he felt like playing.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 11:36 AM
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And of course Al Gore for inventing the internet.


and look how that's changed music.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 11:38 AM
Derek is the most innovative slide guitarist alive, except possibly Sonny Landreth.

By expanding slide guitar beyond being merely a blues instrument, and incorporating jazz and Indian sounds into his musical palette, he has created something new, I would argue. No other slide guitarist sounds remotely like Derek. That is the mark of an innovator.

Charlesinator caught me off guard with this one...

"However, since the beginning he has always surrounded himself with musicians of at least equal talent."

Apparently you never saw Derek and the Dominators

That cheap joke aside, does anybody really think that Todd Smallie or Yonrico Scott were "of at least equal talent" as Derek Trucks? No disrespect to Todd or Rico, but I sure don't.

You might have a point with TTB, but people went to see DTB to see Derek. Period.

 
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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 12:39 PM
Sully, just a little career advice:

If your boss asks you who you think is the greatest innovator the best response is, "That would be you, sir."

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 01:21 PM
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Sully, just a little career advice:

If your boss asks you who you think is the greatest innovator the best response is, "That would be you, sir."


pucker up and bend over.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 01:31 PM
Carlos Santanta says he is an anointed one, anointed with the sacred fire

I won't argue with Carlos

you could say combining slide with Qawwali music was innovative.

I can't wait until they get together at Merriweather this summer.

More fun than a barrel full of space monkeys.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 02:14 PM
How is Bill Gates an innovater???

He "stole" CP/M and called it DOS

Windoze is a poor copy of Mac which is a Further development of Xerox's GUI.

Office has got the worst GUI ever. Used in Computer Science texts as an example of a bad GUI design. Cluttered and Confusing.

He started an Empire based on a Lie. (concealed his deal with IBM)

that sounds more like the Beast from Revalations than an innovator

the only thing Gates ever had was a basic interpreter when he started Microsoft. Any college computer science geek could write one.

Derek is about musical truth with no boundaries. a force that can drive the ABB musical energy machine with his fire. turn it from a Burning Blues band to Bebop jazz on a dime. Take the DTB on a musical journey across any musical boundary created by labels. Combine the energy of Delta blues and Memphis soul, Sixties rock and Seventies funk with the Tedeschi Trucks Band. And that group of musical genius is a force to be reckoned with.

How that helps with your petition, but people PLEASE don't say GATES is an inna vader. more like Darth Vader.



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How is Bill Gates an innovater???

He "stole" CP/M and called it DOS

Windoze is a poor copy of Mac which is a Further development of Xerox's GUI.

Office has got the worst GUI ever. Used in Computer Science texts as an example of a bad GUI design. Cluttered and Confusing.

He started an Empire based on a Lie. (concealed his deal with IBM)

that sounds more like the Beast from Revalations than an innovator

the only thing Gates ever had was a basic interpreter when he started Microsoft. Any college computer science geek could write one.

Derek is about musical truth with no boundaries. a force that can drive the ABB musical energy machine with his fire. turn it from a Burning Blues band to Bebop jazz on a dime. Take the DTB on a musical journey across any musical boundary created by labels. Combine the energy of Delta blues and Memphis soul, Sixties rock and Seventies funk with the Tedeschi Trucks Band. And that group of musical genius is a force to be reckoned with.

How that helps with your petition, but people PLEASE don't say GATES is an inna vader. more like Darth Vader.



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Gates is not an innovator but a great businessman who made personal computers available and affordable for virtually everyone. In that sense I would say he is comprarable to Henry Ford who found a way to make the automobile available to everyone and thus changed the world. Steve Jobs was more of an innovator obviously but his insistence on complete and total control of his product from hardware to software hurt his ability to bring it to the masses. So the computer revolution was a combination of both along with other important figures.

 

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so my company is about to hang up 10 pictures of "great innovators" of recent history. i suggested derek trucks to my ceo, but he said that derek was simply great, but not necessarily an innovator.

i told him that i was going to post the question here any get back to him with feedback.

so, please help out a brother and give me some ammo for how derek is an innovator. thanks all y'all.


I'm just impressed that your boss knows who Derek IS.

Unlike probably 90% of the general population....I can count on maybe one hand the number of people I've worked WITH who know Derek is - worked for? A Big Fat Zero.

And I don't ever expect that to change.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 05:59 PM
Jimi Hendrix would be the greatest innovator the guitar has ever produced or ever will produce.

 

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  posted on 3/25/2012 at 06:06 PM
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Didn't Ry Cooder and David Lindley do this first? (Separately)...

 

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Steve Jobs was more of an innovator obviously but his insistence on complete and total control of his product from hardware to software hurt his ability to bring it to the masses. So the computer revolution was a combination of both along with other important figures.


Not to mention pricing it out of range of the average American computer user.

 

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Steve Jobs was more of an innovator obviously but his insistence on complete and total control of his product from hardware to software hurt his ability to bring it to the masses. So the computer revolution was a combination of both along with other important figures.


Not to mention pricing it out of range of the average American computer user.


Yes. That was my point about the importance of Gates. His company helped make it accessible to everyone and without that the computer revolution would not have truly taken place. As a point of interest, in 1981 I believe it was the CEO of IBM (though I could be wrong about that) who stated that he could not imagine a reason the average person would want a computer. Jobs and Apple essentially created the home computer and Gates and Microsoft made it affordable for everyone.

 

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