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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 08:22 AM
I got a last minute ticket to the show last night. While it had some nice moments, only the Whipping Post encore came close to the full power and fury that the band used to reach from the very first note every time I have seen them before.

It Makes No Difference, I'd Rather Be Blind, and Anyday are great songs but come on, this band has such a rich and full catalog, I don't understand why they take this route to fill up a set list.

It was like the proverbial Chinese dinner: an hour later and I felt like I hardly heard any Allman's tunes.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 08:25 AM
They do a lot of Dickey Betts covers.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 08:30 AM
They have to play more songs where Warren must sing for reasons that will bring the furies of Hell upon me shall I utter them.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 08:32 AM
I stopped eating Chinese food and going to ABB gigs in 2008 for this reason. I love the blues covers, but that is an integral part of the band's great history. Love Van Morrison but I get queasy listening to the ABB cover him.
 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 08:42 AM
I saw a setlist the other day and a good part of it was covers. Kinda odd, but thats the way it goes anymore. I could do without any Van Morrison.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 09:02 AM
People out west would probably love to see them play those covers.

In the end, people will complain no matter what they do. A short while ago, people here were complaining when they were going to play entire albums. At this stage, I don't think it will matter what they play. Some are even questioning whether or not it is even the ABB depending on who is on stage. The non-original members have been in the band longer than obviously Duane/Berry and longer than most bands actually exist period. Warren may have had a break in the middle but after 15+ years and basically saving the band with his return, he still gets little respect except of course when it is convienient. Marc has been around for 20 years. Derek and Oteil are nearing 15 years.

I think that the seperation between original and "new" members is weak at this point especially as two MVPs which draw people are "new" guys.

I understand what some say about covers but in truth many of the old songs are covers. If the newer covers were on the Fillmore album than they would be classics. We already know that Warren will play anything and the same could be said for Derek, Oteil and Marc so why always the same covers? Talk to the "originals" about that.

When the fans are starting tyo complain about everything then the end of that road may actually be in sight.

I agree about them having a rich catelog but after eliminating Dickey sung songs, the obvious clunker albums/songs, there really are not many missing. One obvious addition could be the songs Warren sang on album which are skipped. But would those songs really make old fans' night? Mean Woman Blues wouldn't really alter a night for me. Plus there are not many of those tunes.

They could play some lost tunes but from the classic albums after pulling Dickey sung songs, there are not as many as some seem to believe.

Jelly Jelly, Nobody Knows and Pegusus are always mentioned. Anything else are from albums that we didn't like or buy in the 70s. Why crowd a setlist with them now? And it could be debated that Betts sang all the best songs from those albums anyway.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 09:07 AM
My Beacon trips are greatly reduced over the last few years for just the reasons Alan has pointed out.
I go with my oldest two as part of a tradition we have established and for no other reason.
My oldest son who has been going with me for about 5-6 years has even commented that he didn't think the energy or fire was there anymore.

I'l go back to something Alan said awhile ago and it has stuck with me; that the band peaked around 2006 and since then hasn't maintained a high level of excitement.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 09:17 AM
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My Beacon trips are greatly reduced over the last few years for just the reasons Alan has pointed out.
I go with my oldest two as part of a tradition we have established and for no other reason.
My oldest son who has been going with me for about 5-6 years has even commented that he didn't think the energy or fire was there anymore.

I'l go back to something Alan said awhile ago and it has stuck with me; that the band peaked around 2006 and since then hasn't maintained a high level of excitement.


Maybe because you guys have seen 20+ shows over that time period.

Perhaps the energy is down but some of the members are hardly young and playing Statesboro for the millionth time may not charge them as much as it used to.

Maybe the Beacon thing has run it's course and they should start doing the same on the West coast. Cost wise it is too expensive for many going to the Beacon especially those travelling. So you get the same people seeing those shows in NYC over and over. That will affect the crowd energy to a degree.

 

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My Beacon trips are greatly reduced over the last few years for just the reasons Alan has pointed out.
I go with my oldest two as part of a tradition we have established and for no other reason.
My oldest son who has been going with me for about 5-6 years has even commented that he didn't think the energy or fire was there anymore.

I'l go back to something Alan said awhile ago and it has stuck with me; that the band peaked around 2006 and since then hasn't maintained a high level of excitement.


Maybe because you guys have seen 20+ shows over that time period.

Perhaps the energy is down but some of the members are hardly young and playing Statesboro for the millionth time may not charge them as much as it used to.

Maybe the Beacon thing has run it's course and they should start doing the same on the West coast. Cost wise it is too expensive for many going to the Beacon especially those travelling. So you get the same people seeing those shows in NYC over and over. That will affect the crowd energy to a degree.


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If they didn't do the covers than they might have to start playing some of Butch's legendary 6 hour Mtn Jams.

The alternative to the covers would be a show full of Dickey instrumentals being dragged out. This pretty much has already been done and though it might make for some great nights, it would lead to some snoozers also and not everyone there wants to hear 45 minute jams. We would have to get Gregg a real loud alarm clock then.

 

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If they didn't do the covers than they might have to start playing some of Butch's legendary 6 hour Mtn Jams.

The alternative to the covers would be a show full of Dickey instrumentals being dragged out. This pretty much has already been done and though it might make for some great nights, it would lead to some snoozers also and not everyone there wants to hear 45 minute jams. We would have to get Gregg a real loud alarm clock then.


That's not what I was saying, either, as I specifically mentioned ABB tunes they barely play anymore.

I'd take a 5 minute No One To Run With, Good Clean Fun or hell, even I'm No Angel over Into The Mystic again.


I agree with you to an extent. But they play NOTRW, GCF and some of the others. Playing a long run at the Beacon, they have to mix it up or be playing the same set over and over. People already complain about repeating songs as is.

I would prefer I'm No Angel over Into The Mystic also.

Again accepting that warren and the "new" guys will play anything, the reason for the limited covers falls to the original members.

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 09:34 AM
Last night's set had:

Don't Want You No More>
It's Not My Cross to Bear
Done Somebody Wrong
End of the Line
Kind of Bird
Who To Believe (Jukes Horns)
Don't Keep Me Wondering (Jukes Horns)
Southbound (Jukes Horns)
Statesboro Blues (with Susan Tedeschi on guitar)
No One to Run With>
Bass>
Drums>
No One to Run With
e: Whipping Post


There were of course some covers mixed in - and I know Statesboro itself is a cover - but there's pretty solid cross section of ABB tunes from various era there.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 09:44 AM
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In the end, people will complain no matter what they do.

No "will" needed - people complain no matter what they do. Whatever your preferences are in terms of the song selection, people who see the band over and over should remember that the shows aren't played with only us in mind. Not everybody sees the band several times a run, and not everybody pays attention to the setlist.

I've been saying for a couple of years that the back catalogue is pretty much tapped out. There aren't a lot of great Allman Brothers songs that aren't getting played. Most of the ones people do suggest at this point aren't very good - to the point that the band didn't play them much or at all when they were new. So unless they make an effort to sit down and write stuff for a new album, you're going to get new covers. I'm OK with that. I'd rather see them play a great song that was written by someone else than a mediocre song from the end of their initial run in the '70s or the Arista years or stuff from the Epic albums that they never bothered to do in concert. I'm impressed they've done so much with Kind of Bird, in fact. I wasn't a big fan before they started doing in 2010 and now it's a major highlight.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:05 AM
I know Statesboro is a cover, but the ABB have made it uniquely and powerfully theirs. There are some covers they pull off very well. One personal favorite is The Weight... I would have been very happy to hear that last night, instead of "It Makes No Difference"... the ABB trying to do the Band with The Juke Horns did not work. Southbound worked with the Jukes.

I guess for me, it's more a question of style, more than only who wrote the material.

The three piece percussion section is a freight train, even if two of the three are senior citizens. It does not work for Etta James material, or Van Morrison material, at least not me. Otiel Burbridge playing banjo? Come on...

It's one thing to look at the set list, another to experience the show first hand. While some of the activity from this site has been lost to Facebook, the Beacon run does not generate nearly as much excitement as it has in the past. So James, maybe you are right, and the End Of The Line is getting closer.







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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:23 AM
I have ben saying for many years that the Beacon is a cash cow for these guys. Some people were pissed at me but that is what it is. same with the limited tours in the summer. It finances their other projects and their retirement funds.

That is why so many people mention how much more Gregg and others seem to thrive during their solo shows. It is fresh and new. Or at least newer.

But you are right Alan. It is all a matter of taste. For instance, I can't stand them playing any song by the Band. Dixie and the Weight being my least favorites. Live I have to endure them but on disc, it is a guarenteed fast forward to the next track. I can barely stand those songs even by the Band at this point.

I think the jazz covers suit my tastes more at this point and are a better base for the percussion army that you mention plus it allows Derek and Warren to go off the tracks. Unfortunately (for me) the majority of concert goers would prefer to hear something familiar.

Oteil on banjo. That is pretty funny. Perhaps he is joining up with Bela Fleck soon.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:24 AM
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In the end, people will complain no matter what they do.

No "will" needed - people complain no matter what they do. Whatever your preferences are in terms of the song selection, people who see the band over and over should remember that the shows aren't played with only us in mind. Not everybody sees the band several times a run, and not everybody pays attention to the setlist.

I've been saying for a couple of years that the back catalogue is pretty much tapped out. There aren't a lot of great Allman Brothers songs that aren't getting played. Most of the ones people do suggest at this point aren't very good - to the point that the band didn't play them much or at all when they were new. So unless they make an effort to sit down and write stuff for a new album, you're going to get new covers. I'm OK with that. I'd rather see them play a great song that was written by someone else than a mediocre song from the end of their initial run in the '70s or the Arista years or stuff from the Epic albums that they never bothered to do in concert. I'm impressed they've done so much with Kind of Bird, in fact. I wasn't a big fan before they started doing in 2010 and now it's a major highlight.


Yep, Marley hit it on the head. Lots of his points are right on the money.

First off, people like to complain no matter what this band does, it's simply in their nature to pick out something the band does and beat it to death. It's just like sports fans who expect the team they root for to win every game they play. If they don't, they want the coach fired and every player traded.

Imagine if this site existed in the 1990's when most of the setlists in a gven year were virtuallly identical. All hell would break loose. I remember going to see three Beacon shows around 1994 or so and every show was the same right down to jams in the songs themselves. Not my type of thing at all. The shows were good, but I was a bit dissapointed in the lack of creativity in the setlists and that was pretty much Dickey's fault. He simply refused to play 60 or 70 songs like they do today. I'll take what they are doing today by a landslide over same old setlists every night. I mean Jeez, Dickey is still recycling "Blue Sky", "Liz Reed", "Jessica" and countless other songs every single show he plays...no variation what so ever...Boring!

This lineup in the past 10 years has played virtually every single good and relevant song in this bands catalog countless times. What the hell do you want them to do? The ABB simply does not have 30 albums of material to fall back on. I do NOT want to hear those crappy 4 monute long songs from the Arista years when they were programmed by the record company to sound more "radio friendly". They have always avoided those songs live, even when they were new. Why?...because those songs pretty much stink and are not good reperesentations of what this band does and stands for.

This lineup does everything in their power to keep things fresh and interesting and I applaud them for doing so. If it wasn't for Warren, Derek and Oteil, they would be living off songs from 40 years ago. PLaying Jazz and Blues covers along with a bunch of ABB classics with cool improvisational Jamming is keeping this band as vibrant as possible considering there is not another ABB album of new material on the horizon.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:26 AM
I not quite sure how to phrase this or if my point will come across but with this particular group of musicians, I find myself listening to the music more than the song itself. I'm really not that concerned about the songs per se . I really get into mostly what Derek , Warren and Otiel are up to within the context propelled by the drummers. Gregg is actually very under rated with what he's adding on the B-3 into the mix. You have to be real good to do this.

Everyone else who plays this way is just noodling with a few exceptions and I know people want to hear the Gregg songs so straight ahead versions of Melissa, Statesboro, and Midnight Rider fill that role.

I'm sure not everyone agrees but I have no complaints on the set lists the past few years. I find them very interesting. Some better than others of course. Some times you can pick out a theme or a mood based on how Warren writes it up. I find the past few years, it's really easy to pick out the nights they are paying tribute to Duane actually. I really like how alot of the songs from DA Anthology like Down Along the Cove and Gilded Splinters are in the mix along with the Dominoes stuff.

For what we have and the age of the core group, this is so much better than a greatest hits show night after night. It would have really sucked for the ABB to have turned into the style of say " Three Dog Night - Live at Six Flags " or the what Skynyrd has become.


 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:28 AM
It all comes down to the fact that they really need to release a new album full of original songs.

All of the band members energies seem to be now focused on their side bands and not on the Alllmans as a whole.


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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:35 AM
I have lost my desire to see them this year. I only bought one pair and gave that pair to a client. I used to get excited for the run and bought tickets for multiple shows. I was excited about the band and excited to hear how the anticipated guests would compliment the material I have heard for 40 plus years. There are really no guests to speak of this year as compared to other years, and I guess I am not that interested in the Warren Haynes with the ABB routine any more. I am also not that interested in the instrumentals they play-Egypt and Bag end as well as the jaz infused jams that are becomming prevelent at ABB shows now. Last nights set list looked good but I am just not as pumped as I was a few years ago to get to even one show now.

 

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Imagine if this site existed in the 1990's when most of the setlists in a gven year were virtuallly identical. All hell would break loose. I remember going to see three Beacon shows around 1994 or so and every show was the same right down to jams in the songs themselves. Not my type of thing at all. The shows were good, but I was a bit dissapointed in the lack of creativity in the setlists and that was pretty much Dickey's fault. He simply refused to play 60 or 70 songs like they do today. I'll take what they are doing today by a landslide over same old setlists every night. I mean Jeez, Dickey is still recycling "Blue Sky", "Liz Reed", "Jessica" and countless other songs every single show he plays...no variation what so ever...Boring!

This lineup in the past 10 years has played virtually every single good and relevant song in this bands catalog countless times. What the hell do you want them to do? The ABB simply does not have 30 albums of material to fall back on. I do NOT want to hear those crappy 4 monute long songs from the Arista years when they were programmed by the record company to sound more "radio friendly". They have always avoided those songs live, even when they were new. Why?...because those songs pretty much stink and are not good reperesentations of what this band does and stands for.

This lineup does everything in their power to keep things fresh and interesting and I applaud them for doing so. If it wasn't for Warren, Derek and Oteil, they would be living off songs from 40 years ago. PLaying Jazz and Blues covers along with a bunch of ABB classics with cool improvisational Jamming is keeping this band as vibrant as possible considering there is not another ABB album of new material on the horizon.


How fresh do they need to keep it??? They are probably going to play 20 dates this year!!!!

The problem I have with the "new covers" is that Warren & Gregg have to use cheat sheets for the lyrics etc... if you are not going to bother memorizing the lyrics why do the songs?

People go to see the allman brothers band to see & hear allman brothers band music... they have been in business for over 40 + years now & that catalog of originals is more than full enough to handle the beacon run.

Yes Dickey does do Blue Sky, Ramblin Man Liz Reed, Jessica etc... every time... most people would be pretty pissed if they went to one of his shows and didn't hear each of those songs...

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:45 AM
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I not quite sure how to phrase this or if my point will come across but with this particular group of musicians, I find myself listening to the music more than the song itself. I'm really not that concerned about the songs per se . I really get into mostly what Derek , Warren and Otiel are up to within the context propelled by the drummers. Gregg is actually very under rated with what he's adding on the B-3 into the mix. You have to be real good to do this.

Everyone else who plays this way is just noodling with a few exceptions and I know people want to hear the Gregg songs so straight ahead versions of Melissa, Statesboro, and Midnight Rider fill that role.

I'm sure not everyone agrees but I have no complaints on the set lists the past few years. I find them very interesting. Some better than others of course. Some times you can pick out a theme or a mood based on how Warren writes it up. I find the past few years, it's really easy to pick out the nights they are paying tribute to Duane actually. I really like how alot of the songs from DA Anthology like Down Along the Cove and Gilded Splinters are in the mix along with the Dominoes stuff.

For what we have and the age of the core group, this is so much better than a greatest hits show night after night. It would have really sucked for the ABB to have turned into the style of say " Three Dog Night - Live at Six Flags " or the what Skynyrd has become.

I think you nailed it. It's the music, not the song. A "holy-sh!t" moment can happen in any song, and those are the moments I go for. Set list means little to me.

 

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Imagine if this site existed in the 1990's when most of the setlists in a gven year were virtuallly identical. All hell would break loose. I remember going to see three Beacon shows around 1994 or so and every show was the same right down to jams in the songs themselves. Not my type of thing at all. The shows were good, but I was a bit dissapointed in the lack of creativity in the setlists and that was pretty much Dickey's fault. He simply refused to play 60 or 70 songs like they do today. I'll take what they are doing today by a landslide over same old setlists every night. I mean Jeez, Dickey is still recycling "Blue Sky", "Liz Reed", "Jessica" and countless other songs every single show he plays...no variation what so ever...Boring!

This lineup in the past 10 years has played virtually every single good and relevant song in this bands catalog countless times. What the hell do you want them to do? The ABB simply does not have 30 albums of material to fall back on. I do NOT want to hear those crappy 4 monute long songs from the Arista years when they were programmed by the record company to sound more "radio friendly". They have always avoided those songs live, even when they were new. Why?...because those songs pretty much stink and are not good reperesentations of what this band does and stands for.

This lineup does everything in their power to keep things fresh and interesting and I applaud them for doing so. If it wasn't for Warren, Derek and Oteil, they would be living off songs from 40 years ago. PLaying Jazz and Blues covers along with a bunch of ABB classics with cool improvisational Jamming is keeping this band as vibrant as possible considering there is not another ABB album of new material on the horizon.



People go to see the allman brothers band to see & hear allman brothers band music... they have been in business for over 40 + years now & that catalog of originals is more than full enough to handle the beacon run.




They ARE playing Allman Brothers Band music! That's why EVERY Beacon show is a sell out regardless of setlists. People like what they are hearing! It's that simple. The music is great, the playing is great, the fans are great...All of this equals a great live music experience.





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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:48 AM
last time i looked 4 out of the 7 tunes on Fillmore East were covers..........no one complaining about that album, are we?


 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 10:56 AM
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Otiel Burbridge playing banjo? Come on...

Yeah, and who is this Robert Johnson guy anyway? It's a great cover, and I get a kick out of Oteil playing the banjo.

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I not quite sure how to phrase this or if my point will come across but with this particular group of musicians, I find myself listening to the music more than the song itself.

I agree, although there are some songs I'd rather hear than others.

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It all comes down to the fact that they really need to release a new album full of original songs.

They don't seem to agree, although lately Gregg has said he's interested. I'll believe it when I'm holding/downloading a copy.

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The problem I have with the "new covers" is that Warren & Gregg have to use cheat sheets for the lyrics etc... if you are not going to bother memorizing the lyrics why do the songs?

This is ignorant. Gregg is having some memory problems (I assume as a side effect of his liver transplant and treatment). He's using lyric sheets on some songs they've been playing forever, nevermind new covers.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2012 at 11:08 AM
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My Beacon trips are greatly reduced over the last few years for just the reasons Alan has pointed out.
I go with my oldest two as part of a tradition we have established and for no other reason.
My oldest son who has been going with me for about 5-6 years has even commented that he didn't think the energy or fire was there anymore.

I'l go back to something Alan said awhile ago and it has stuck with me; that the band peaked around 2006 and since then hasn't maintained a high level of excitement.


It seemed to me the release of "Hitting the Note" and the live "One way out" invigorated them somewhat.

They need to do it again.

 

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