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  posted on 3/13/2012 at 12:55 PM
Does anyone know if there has been any problems with counterfeit tickets? I'm not talking about the ones that can be printed at home, but legitimate looking hard copy TM stock. I'm trying to buy two or more and have turned to alternate ticket sources. I don't want to get ripped-off. One guy posted 4 row B orchestra tickets at $150 ea. Operating under the premise that if it's too good to be true, it probably is. I asked the guy to meet me with the original TM receipt and when he said it wasn't available, I told him no thanks. Better safe than sorry.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 01:05 PM
Howard, a friend of mine had a problem the other night. He bought two Row C orchestra tickets for the opener from someone online(not on this site). He already had a seat via ticketmaster, but wanted a better seat so he got the two other ones. As he was walking in, he ended up selling the two he bought online to the gentlemen who work the corner for every show. Apparently, the tickets were fake(my friend did not know they were fake). The cops actually got involved because my friend was getting into an altercation with the guys. The money had already been exchanged, and they wanted their money back. Somehow the guy determined that the tickets were fake. The cops basically told everybody to take a walk, which was surprising. However, one of the ticket guys that my buddy got into it with said he would be looking for him the rest of the run. As my friend said to me, "great, I am going to like five shows and now I have a bounty on my head."

Be careful out there. I would not buy from anyone on the street outside, and I would hesitate to buy from people that show up on this board only around Beacon time.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 01:08 PM
How to spot fake tickets:

http://www.ehow.com/how_2312279_identify-authentic-ticketmaster-tickets-.ht ml

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 01:45 PM
Fakes are getting better and better so it's definitely getting harder to tell. I feel like this and last year there've been a ton of fakes around for most concerts in NY. Jim - it really stinks what happened to your friend, but that doesn't mean you should be distrustful of everybody now. Especially guys on the forum - a lot of people, especially new yorkers, are much more active on the forum in March than the rest of the year.

Tips to spot fakes:
a. are you being rushed to make your decision? I've been told 'cops are all around' and i knew the guy was trying to scam me as the cops are looking out for smokers and generally not scalpers.
b. the feel of the ticket - this is the biggest one for me.
c. the ridges - is it printed or does it look like real ridges that you find on tm tiks.
d. font/fading/print - does it look normal? they're getting much better at faking this so revert to a, b &c.
e. is the deal too good to be true... prob is. front few rows are prob most common fakes.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 03:05 PM

This is an interesting situation. If I had unknowingly sold someone tickets that turned out to be fakes I would be inclined to "take them back and make it right", even if it meant a financial loss on my part.


 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 04:28 PM
I responded to a bunch of tickets that were posted for sale on Craigslist. That website is homebase for a lot of scammers. I am extra diligent to make sure it's legit. When "Antwan" with a Yahoo email address stated he did not have original TM proof of purchase receipts, I told him no thank you. Within minutes "Anthony" from another Yahoo email address had Loge seats to sell. He did not reply when I asked him to bring the TM proof of purchase receipt. If I had the time and inclination, I'd check to see if both Antwan and Anthony have the same IP address. I bet they do.

If anyone have a pair of tickets for 3/16, 3/20 or 3/21 to sell, I'm looking to buy two tickets to one show.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 04:58 PM
Another way to protect yourself would be to tell them that they have to walk up to the door with you and you will pay them as soon as the scanner at the door proves the ticket it valid. I have offered to do that with folks that I have sold extras to in the past...and I have always had the TM receipt for them as well.

I need a single for 3/24 if anybody has an extra please...probably one of the tougher nights to find one for but hopefully it will work out.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 05:03 PM
I will guarantee you fakes are all over the place for every show.

During the 2009 run I was chatting with the guy that runs the box office and he told me they got 200 to 300 fakes every single night -- nothing has changed. By my calculations the fake ticket scammers relieved ABB fans of over $600,000 of their hard earned money during the 2009 run.

Think about it, this is almost 10% of the house.

These days I would suggest never buy a ticket out front from anyone that isn't going to walk in with you at the exact same time -- just not worth the risk.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2012 at 11:38 PM
WOW! That's A BUMMER!! My "Advice" Would Be Something Like...
"Hey Man! No Offense, But, There Are LOTS Of Fakes Going Around , So Let's Go In TOGETHER. You Go In 1st & I'll Go In Right Behind You & I'll Pay You As Soon As I Get In!"
Something Like That........

 

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  posted on 3/15/2012 at 08:15 PM
Tons of fakes going around down there for all events,spoke to a few security guards,and they said its bad.we got lucky on wed.night but the person was going also.theres a group of scalpers that have been around for sometime.even up at MSG there was a group that was working it hard,and security was telling everybody that they had bad tickets.dont know why they couldnt arrest them?but thet told us directly that there was a bunch every night.
 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 09:00 AM
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I responded to a bunch of tickets that were posted for sale on Craigslist. That website is homebase for a lot of scammers. I am extra diligent to make sure it's legit. When "Antwan" with a Yahoo email address stated he did not have original TM proof of purchase receipts, I told him no thank you. Within minutes "Anthony" from another Yahoo email address had Loge seats to sell. He did not reply when I asked him to bring the TM proof of purchase receipt. If I had the time and inclination, I'd check to see if both Antwan and Anthony have the same IP address. I bet they do.

If anyone have a pair of tickets for 3/16, 3/20 or 3/21 to sell, I'm looking to buy two tickets to one show.


If tickets can be faked why not the receipts? I would think the receipt would be a hell of a lot easier.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 10:32 AM
<<If tickets can be faked why not the receipts? I would think the receipt would be a hell of a lot easier.>>

You're probably correct, but it may require a little extra work that they're unwilling to do. For whatever reason the seller told me there was no TM proof of purchase receipt available and that was all I needed to hear to say no thank you.

This is the copy on the Craigslist posting. The same posting re-appeard as new yesterday.

selling 4 tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 - $150 (Midtown East)
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Date: 2012-03-13, 11:51AM EDT
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selling 4 hard tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 at the beacon theater
i have 4 hard tickets in section orchestra 2 row b seats all together if interested let me know asap
located in the city and can meet anytime
Thanks

I'm not saying they're definitely counterfeits, but a reasonable person can surmise that tickets in row B originally sold at $200 each are not likely going to be resold at a cheaper price.



 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 10:36 AM
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<<If tickets can be faked why not the receipts? I would think the receipt would be a hell of a lot easier.>>

You're probably correct, but it may require a little extra work that they're unwilling to do. For whatever reason the seller told me there was no TM proof of purchase receipt available and that was all I needed to hear to say no thank you.

This is the copy on the Craigslist posting. The same posting re-appeard as new yesterday.

selling 4 tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 - $150 (Midtown East)
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Date: 2012-03-13, 11:51AM EDT
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selling 4 hard tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 at the beacon theater
i have 4 hard tickets in section orchestra 2 row b seats all together if interested let me know asap
located in the city and can meet anytime
Thanks

I'm not saying they're definitely counterfeits, but a reasonable person can surmise that tickets in row B originally sold at $200 each are not likely going to be resold at a cheaper price.






So if a person is selling an upper balcony for $80 and offered to show the receipt with being asked is it safe to assume the ticket is real?

 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 10:46 AM
This warning just went up on CL, cites the same ad as I did with very good advice.

4 Allman brothers tickets 3/16 & 3/17 - $150 (ORCH CENTER ROW B )

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Date: 2012-03-16, 10:22AM EDT
Reply to: see below
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SORRY FELLOW ABB FANS I DON'T HAVE ANY TIX FOR SALE. I AM POSTING THIS TO WARN YOU ABOUT SCAMMERS WITH FAKE TIX FOR THIS RUN

They won't let me list this without putting in my email address which i won't do for obvious reasons. So i had to use a listing that i have still active contact me at listing below.

2 Rangers vs Pittsburgh Penguins 3/15 - $100 (SEC 334 CENTER ICE )
Date: 2012-03-14, 7:39PM EDT
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My buddy got beat with fake tix for this past wed show. Read below i will give you my advice on how not to get beat. I have been buying and selling on craigslist for years
so i know what im talking about. I will also include a posting below where the guy could be a scammer. You read it and tell me

1. if the price is to good then its a red flag, Anybody selling below face is almost def selling fake tix.
2. Get sellers name and phone # (obvious one)
3. Call seller and ask them that when you meet you want to SEE A RECEIPT & DRIVERS LICENSE if they say no walk away. I offer show any any buyer my receipt and my drivers license
4. If you get as far as # 3 when u are setting up a meeting place tell them that you want to meet on the block of a police station. (may sound stupid but anybody selling fakes won't agree) and FYI
its not illegal to sell tix for any price u want. The only scalping law in NYC is that u have to be a certain distance away from the venue where tix are for.

THE LISTING BELOW IS STILL ACTIVE. THE GUYS NAME IS "ANTWAN JONES" $150 FOR FOR TIX THAT COST $170 AND ROW B OF ORCH 2 (To good to be true)

selling 4 tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 - $150 (Midtown East)

Date: 2012-03-15, 3:45PM EDT
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selling 4 hard tickets to allman brothers band 3/16 at the beacon theater
i have 4 hard tickets in section orchestra 2 row b seats all together if interested let me know asap
located in the city and can meet anytime
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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 10:52 AM
<<So if a person is selling an upper balcony for $80 and offered to show the receipt with being asked is it safe to assume the ticket is real?>>

Not necessarily, but the advice is to use good judgment. You don't want to be ripped-off. If it's a fan going into the show and his buddy couldn't make it at the last minute, then you're probably OK and you can walk in together. There are people selling tickets who are not scrupulous and the buyer needs to exercise some common sense.

I'm still looking for tickets to one show next week (Tu, W, Sa or Su). EMail me at Howard1227@aol.com. Thx.

[Edited on 3/16/2012 by HowardH1]

 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 11:00 AM
I miss the old days when you could tell if a ticket was fake by doing the cigarette test.
 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 12:42 PM
i miss the older days when people weren't so eager to rip others off
 

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  posted on 3/16/2012 at 05:37 PM
i believe that the front of orchestra is only 150.99,so if someone is asking 150 may not be out of line,if they dont want to show reciept thats a flag for sure..upper balcony are like 50 bucks,so with fees if not bought at box office 80.00 isnt that bad
 

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  posted on 3/22/2012 at 02:52 AM
Saw "Security" Or Whoever Outside For Tonite's Show ( 3-21) With 2 "FAKE Tix" In Hand. At Least They Asked The Guy Who He Bought Em' From! That REALLY Suxx! Someone Got Screwed For "Who Knows How Much $$" And They Didn't Get In!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Hope You Folks Don't Take It The "Wrong Way" When I Say That I Hope It Wasn't "One Of Us" I Mean It Sucks For Anybody, But WE Get Pumped Up The Most For These Concerts. I Hope They Caught The Guy Who Sold The Fakes & AT LEAST Gave The Dude His Loot Back. I Used To Buy Tix Outside & Luckily Never Got A Fake, I Got In 4 "Palace" Shows No Problem. Even Got In 1 Night For $20 But I Don't Think I'm Gonna Go To The BEACON Without A Ticket. I Would Rather Pay "Stubhub" Or "Ebay" Than To Get Stuck Like THAT Man!! BUMMER!

 

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Saw "Security" Or Whoever Outside For Tonite's Show ( 3-21) With 2 "FAKE Tix" In Hand. At Least They Asked The Guy Who He Bought Em' From! That REALLY Suxx! Someone Got Screwed For "Who Knows How Much $$" And They Didn't Get In!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Hope You Folks Don't Take It The "Wrong Way" When I Say That I Hope It Wasn't "One Of Us" I Mean It Sucks For Anybody, But WE Get Pumped Up The Most For These Concerts. I Hope They Caught The Guy Who Sold The Fakes & AT LEAST Gave The Dude His Loot Back. I Used To Buy Tix Outside & Luckily Never Got A Fake, I Got In 4 "Palace" Shows No Problem. Even Got In 1 Night For $20 But I Don't Think I'm Gonna Go To The BEACON Without A Ticket. I Would Rather Pay "Stubhub" Or "Ebay" Than To Get Stuck Like THAT Man!! BUMMER!


I wonder if that was the two people in front of my wife and I in line. The security guys asked who they got them from. I didn't see more because we were on the way in.

I learned last year that if you're unhappy with your seat, you can call ticketmaster when better seats become available and exchange the ones you already bought. however, they do not require you to return the tickets you already have. This means I could buy one pair, exchange them 3 or four times and have 8 authentic tickets to scalp that would not scan as valid at the venue.

I would not do that but I'm sure the scalpers have been on to this trick for a while. I just wanted better seats for the Mule on NYE and called TM to see if exchange was possible. I still have the unused tickets.

What would really suck is if someone bought the seats from TM after TM put them back in the queue as available, but showed up to the concert after the person using the scalped "exchanged" ticket. I wonder if they cancel out the original somehow or if duplicate tickets are out there. It is such a racket.

 

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Saw "Security" Or Whoever Outside For Tonite's Show ( 3-21) With 2 "FAKE Tix" In Hand. At Least They Asked The Guy Who He Bought Em' From! That REALLY Suxx! Someone Got Screwed For "Who Knows How Much $$" And They Didn't Get In!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Hope You Folks Don't Take It The "Wrong Way" When I Say That I Hope It Wasn't "One Of Us" I Mean It Sucks For Anybody, But WE Get Pumped Up The Most For These Concerts. I Hope They Caught The Guy Who Sold The Fakes & AT LEAST Gave The Dude His Loot Back. I Used To Buy Tix Outside & Luckily Never Got A Fake, I Got In 4 "Palace" Shows No Problem. Even Got In 1 Night For $20 But I Don't Think I'm Gonna Go To The BEACON Without A Ticket. I Would Rather Pay "Stubhub" Or "Ebay" Than To Get Stuck Like THAT Man!! BUMMER!


I wonder if that was the two people in front of my wife and I in line. The security guys asked who they got them from. I didn't see more because we were on the way in.

I learned last year that if you're unhappy with your seat, you can call ticketmaster when better seats become available and exchange the ones you already bought. however, they do not require you to return the tickets you already have. This means I could buy one pair, exchange them 3 or four times and have 8 authentic tickets to scalp that would not scan as valid at the venue.

I would not do that but I'm sure the scalpers have been on to this trick for a while. I just wanted better seats for the Mule on NYE and called TM to see if exchange was possible. I still have the unused tickets.

What would really suck is if someone bought the seats from TM after TM put them back in the queue as available, but showed up to the concert after the person using the scalped "exchanged" ticket. I wonder if they cancel out the original somehow or if duplicate tickets are out there. It is such a racket.


Ticketmaster voids the tickets; the same thing they do if you call and say yours were lost. So, while much easier to duplicate etickets, it is not impossible to have 100% authentic hard tickets that have been voided and won't scan. Easier to track those back to the purchaser than if someone copied an eticket 100 times, but one can still be had that way.

 

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Does anyone know if there has been any problems with counterfeit tickets? I'm not talking about the ones that can be printed at home, but legitimate looking hard copy TM stock. I'm trying to buy two or more and have turned to alternate ticket sources. I don't want to get ripped-off. One guy posted 4 row B orchestra tickets at $150 ea. Operating under the premise that if it's too good to be true, it probably is. I asked the guy to meet me with the original TM receipt and when he said it wasn't available, I told him no thanks. Better safe than sorry.


There are numerous post on CRAIGS LIST with HARD COPY TICKETS WITH A RECIEPT for sale...
They are all bogus tickets. They look real but when the barcode is scanned at the front door it doesn't accept the ticket.

Me and 3 friends got burned the other night for $150 each.

I would suggest if your purchasing from Craigslist. Have the guy meet you at The Beacon and let them scan the ticket to make sure it's real.

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  posted on 3/14/2014 at 11:49 AM
I was able to get a real ticket from craiglist the other day. Generally the last minute offers are legit.
 

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  posted on 3/14/2014 at 02:43 PM
TM could help by publishing an app that reads the barcode and tells you if tickets are legit.

Not sure how that would help their bottom line though, so it's unlikely.

 

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  posted on 3/14/2014 at 02:46 PM
Funny really, if they can forge good looking tickets, the receipt would be a breeze.
 
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