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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 04:33 PM
With no Moogis, is ABB still going to offer live recording of the shows?

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 04:39 PM
Can't say I know but they didn't have Moogis at all the other venues and have still offered live recordings.
 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 04:44 PM
Damn, set up one still camera center Loge and stream the audio and video to the fans around the world!

Check out Iridium Live!

http://theiridium.com/iridiumlive/
They stream shows live from the club and archive them for later viewing. How costly can it be?
Good money is being made with the Beacon run.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 04:47 PM
After pushing Moogis so hard for years, where the hell is Butch with an explanation to the fans about what happened to Moogis and why the plug has been pulled. All of that talk on MSG last year about how great Moogis was and how they were gonna show not just the Beacon run but also Wanee??? Then they pull the plug on Wanee after people had paid for it and don't even offer refunds. Now nothing??? Not even an announcement that Moogis is done or an explanation after people paid good money for the last few years to support Moogis??? Not very cool IMO and not the way to run a business and treat your customers.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 04:55 PM
They should definitely do it like the Iridium. That's a great way to see a show you can't see in person.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 05:25 PM
What has happened is pretty clear, and I don't think Butch owes anyone an explanation.

I am sure iClips and others would be interested in streaming the shows, but working at Beacon is very expensive because of the unions.

Do you really expect the band to do even a single camera for free?

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 05:32 PM
I dont expect that the band will do aanything more than the IL CD's

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 05:38 PM
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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 05:44 PM
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Do you really expect the band to do even a single camera for free?


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa. Yeah right. They are total capitalist pigs compared to the hippies they started out as.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 05:48 PM
scope out YouTube.....sure they'll be tons-0-smart phone footage.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 06:40 PM
Butch posted this on the Moogis site the other day. No Beacon, but maybe Wanne.


http://moogis.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=55&func=view&a mp;a mp;catid=14&id=5310&limit=6&limitstart=6

Thank you Bear. thank you all. The site will not "fade to black" tomorrow. We were not able to raise the funds for The Beacon but Wanee is looking very good and the site will stay up and indeed it is probably going to go through a serious upgrade. Plus you are really gonna like the new business model. I guess I chose about the single most difficult venue to try and get something like Moogis off of the ground. Between the unions and all of the other rules and regulations that come with trying to do something in Manhattan success would have been pure luck.

We are not giving up. We have a new model and it, at least for the short run, will not include The Beacon.

Stay tuned. I'm paddling as fast as I can.

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 07:04 PM
Moogis was a direct competitor to the live CDs in some ways, although there is obviously a difference between audio and video, and between streaming video on the Internet and a CD that you actually own and can take with you in the car.

If anything, I would expect it to be easier to do the live CDs without Moogis around. However, the Beacon is an expensive place to record, Moogis or not, and with only 10 shows this year, maybe the math just doesn't work. Maybe the ABB and HTN are focusing on the 3/26/09 DVD and other projects.

Interesting sentence by absnj...

"What has happened is pretty clear, and I don't think Butch owes anyone an explanation."

He definitely owes a lot of people their money back. That is "pretty clear" to me.

 
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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 11:29 PM
Can someone please explain to me why is it so financially prohibitive to do business from the Beacon . If a place has union workers they get paid a higher wage to do their jobs but the band is already paying for those services just by playing there. Why would it matter to record there ?

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 11:43 PM
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Can someone please explain to me why is it so financially prohibitive to do business from the Beacon . If a place has union workers they get paid a higher wage to do their jobs but the band is already paying for those services just by playing there. Why would it matter to record there ?


Anybody working in the building has to be union and under union guidelines is my guess.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2012 at 11:54 PM
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Can someone please explain to me why is it so financially prohibitive to do business from the Beacon . If a place has union workers they get paid a higher wage to do their jobs but the band is already paying for those services just by playing there. Why would it matter to record there ?


Anybody working in the building has to be union and under union guidelines is my guess.


Right , I agree. But that cost is already built in . If a non union worker makes $10 per hr and a union worker makes $20 the band is already paying the union rate. How does that effect a recorded product being released later. I assume the band records every concert anyway .

 

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Can someone please explain to me why is it so financially prohibitive to do business from the Beacon . If a place has union workers they get paid a higher wage to do their jobs but the band is already paying for those services just by playing there. Why would it matter to record there ?


Anybody working in the building has to be union and under union guidelines is my guess.


Everything in NYC is more expensive, and as gotdrumz says, everyone that works in the building on Moogis- all the camera operators, the cameras, the guys that do the wiring and setup, the guys working the equipment downstairs and the transmission equipment are at union rates and union rules. Throw in weekday night and Friday and Saturday night shows, which are probably at time and a half, and everything adds up very fast to very big numbers. And you better believe than Dolan got a piece of the pie as well.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 12:00 AM
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Can someone please explain to me why is it so financially prohibitive to do business from the Beacon . If a place has union workers they get paid a higher wage to do their jobs but the band is already paying for those services just by playing there. Why would it matter to record there ?


Anybody working in the building has to be union and under union guidelines is my guess.


Everything in NYC is more expensive, and as gotdrumz says, everyone that works in the building on Moogis- all the camera operators, the cameras, the guys that do the wiring and setup, the guys working the equipment downstairs and the transmission equipment are at union rates and union rules. Throw in weekday night and Friday and Saturday night shows, which are probably at time and a half, and everything adds up very fast to very big numbers. And you better believe than Dolan got a piece of the pie as well.


I guess what I'm feeling is it's a excuse not to get something done.people do business with union labor all the time and figure out how to make it profitable.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 02:43 AM
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That's what I was thinking.
Hopefully someone can at least stream live audio on Ustream.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 03:25 AM
don't be surprised if the dolans air the shows at some point.
I personally don't care for them but if the dolans can make money on some
pay per view or something, Im sure they will.
If butch cant get it done then why not work something out wth the beacon
for the sake of the fans.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 08:58 AM
Why do i find it HILARIOUS that mr uber-liberal butch trucks sites the reason he cant make the Beacon work is because of UNION rules. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 09:30 AM
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Moogis was a direct competitor to the live CDs in some ways, although there is obviously a difference between audio and video, and between streaming video on the Internet and a CD that you actually own and can take with you in the car.

If anything, I would expect it to be easier to do the live CDs without Moogis around. However, the Beacon is an expensive place to record, Moogis or not, and with only 10 shows this year, maybe the math just doesn't work. Maybe the ABB and HTN are focusing on the 3/26/09 DVD and other projects.

Interesting sentence by absnj...

"What has happened is pretty clear, and I don't think Butch owes anyone an explanation."

He definitely owes a lot of people their money back. That is "pretty clear" to me.


I had the same thought as I read that. Possibly Wanee? So do those that paid for it last year get it for free this year?

The ILs are possible but the ABB has avoided paying the extra costs in the past. And yet Govt Mule does them and are willing to pay. If the Mule can absorb the cost then the ABB could if they wanted to.

 

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Why do i find it HILARIOUS that mr uber-liberal butch trucks sites the reason he cant make the Beacon work is because of UNION rules. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Nice observation +1 I am sure its even more complicated to do in France

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 12:40 PM
see no reason why they cannot keep the "IL's" going now. No excuses as they did it in
'09 and last year.

Hell, if Warren can release Mule Tracks for the Beacon, I find any arguement that the ABB kinda thin

 

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  posted on 3/8/2012 at 01:24 PM
All this talk about unions being the problem is garbage. They may have to hire union people to do extra electrical work but the camera guys, directors, ect. for Moogis are probably not union people.

I know a few guys who shot video of Jorma's 70th Birthday party at the Beacon and they are not union.

 
 


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