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  posted on 2/7/2012 at 05:43 PM
Went out and bought my deluxe edition today for $16.99 + tax and so far have listened to the first four tracks and like very much everything I have heard so far. Definitely musically the closest to vintage VH since well, vintage VH disappeared when Roth left the band and that is from someone who does like the first three Sammy VH albums. Roth's voice certainly isn't as strong as it was and they keep him a little low in the mix but his voice still sounds like him and is good enough. Looking forward to listening to the rest later but am very impressed so far, more impressed than I thought I would be just hearing little snippets of songs.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2012 at 08:09 PM
As bad as I wanted not to like the new cd, I think it's awesome! If I was to put in a pecking order I would place it between Fair Warning & Diver Down. Edward left the keyboard @ home, I think that was a good idea on his part!
 

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  posted on 2/8/2012 at 10:10 AM
Am looking forward to seeing them in chi-town on the 24th.I really like the new album compared to some of the later van-hagar releases.I do miss Michael Anthony on the bass!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2012 at 10:39 AM
I picked it up yesterday at my local Wally World and have since listened to it twice. A couple of early opinions:

EVH has his chops back and there's some amazing guitar work on this album. What I think is most notable to my ears is that he's moved a bit into "shredder" territory but still has the "melodic magic" in his playing. He's unbelievably fast on much of this record and the pace of these songs is just astounding to me. After the first single and opening tune, "Tattoo," this album takes off like a god dam freight train and never stops until the fade out of the last song. His tone in parts is reminiscent of early VH, the F.U.C.K. era and a little Balance era as well. And as mentioned by many, this puppy is HEAVY. The heaviest of any VH album I would say.

Dave's vocals are pretty strong for the most part and he's come up with some pretty quirky lyrics. He's got that usual attitude and cockiness in his voice which for me has always been his appeal.

Alex is just a monster on this. Solid as a rock and he and Wolf seem to blend nicely.

And if anyone doubts the youngster can play, this album should put all those thoughts to rest. The mere fact that he's, along with uncle Al, supporting all the crazy, fast guitar work and singing, tells me he's the real deal.

Thus far my favorite tunes are: Chinatown, Big River, and Stay Frosty......

 

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  posted on 2/8/2012 at 10:49 AM
Chain, I've listened to all the tracks on Youtube, and, you're right. This album is pretty cookin'. China Town is my favorite track, so far. Wolfie turned into quite a monster bass player. How can he not be, though, since EVH is his dad (and AVH is his uncle.) It's in his genes.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2012 at 10:52 AM
One thing I would add is that while, from what we've been told, half of these tunes are from old material that has been reworked, they all sound completely new to my ears. And sonically this sounds very modern. For good or bad, it definitely has that digital, slightly compressed sound that all cd's seem to have these days. Having said that, the overall production is really good in my opinion. Still, I'd be curious to hear this beast of a sonic assault on record as I think it would be a little softer and breath a bit more than on CD. I actually have a decent system at home that's just collecting dust in the basement. Maybe it's time to hook that baby up and buy the vynl version.
 

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  posted on 2/8/2012 at 10:57 AM
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Chain, I've listened to all the tracks on Youtube, and, you're right. This album is pretty cookin'. China Town is my favorite track, so far. Wolfie turned into quite a monster bass player. How can he not be, though, since EVH is his dad (and AVH is his uncle.) It's in his genes.


So true, Bigdave, he certainly has the genes. I guess I'm just amazed that he's this good and bass isn't even his favorite instrument. He's actually most fond of playing drums. I've seen a few youtubes of him banging away and he's pretty powerful and has finesse too. Oh, and he also plays guitar. Multi instrumentalist like his pop.

I'm with ya on Chinatown, what a powerhouse.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2012 at 01:51 PM
I am on the second listen of Different Kind Of Truth and I'm loving it. It's what I've been dreaming of since 1985! Then mid 90's DLR was back for two songs which I loved and only kept my hope alive.

Why is there so much backlash about Tattoo? To me that's the epitome of Van Halen - thumping bass, legato lead guitar melodies, cool riffs, a crunchy tone, and Diamond Dave's oddball lyrics and over-the-top delivery. I think it's a great tune and is right out of the Runnin' With The Devil - Ain't Talkin' About Love - Everybody Wants Some - Hot For Teacher kind of vibe and even reminds me a bit of DLR's Just Like Paradise from the Skyscraper album. then again I always thought DLR made better Van Halen albums than Van Hagar and I'm not slamming Sammy. I love Sammy especially his pre-VH work and his newer fun-loving hard rock Jimmy Buffett shtick. But Eddie & Sammy never had the visceral appeal of Dave & Eddie.

Wolgang is playing his ass off too which seems new for a Van Halen record. I never really noticed the bass being so active on the old stuff and after hearing Michael Anthony rip it up with Chickefoot I figured it was because VH was holding him back. Maybe Wolfgang was able to persuade Pops VH that a more active bass approach would be an asset. Anyway, I like it and good for him!

Eddie sounds somewhat Hendrix-y on a few tunes and his playing is great throughout the album. I don't think I heard any keyboards yet which is good news. I thought they needed to come out with a solid, guitar-rock album and they did.

I hope the new Aerosmith rocks this hard, but I doubt it will...

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 08:25 AM
Any other reviews on this? I thought this thread would still be running pretty hot.
I will be probably post my comments some time in the next day or so.
I still need to hear it another time or so to give an objective opinion.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 11:17 AM
After a few more listens over the weekend, I noticed a few more nuances in these songs. Given the pace of this album and the all out sonic attack on the senses, it's hard to really hear some of the subtle things underlying these songs the first few listens. A few things I've now noticed is the incredible bass and drums on these songs.

At first I was so delighted in the incredible guitar playing (especially given the state of EVH over the past several years...it's shocking at what a complete 180 degrees his playing has taken....this is the best he's sounded since the late 90's in my opinion) but after deliberately listening more to the rhythm section, I can really appreciate how groovy, powerful, and tight Al and Wolf's playing is.

And yes, I miss Michael Anthony too, but damn if this isn't incredible playing from a 20 year old. This may be sacrilege to say on this site, but he reminds me a bit of Woody in that he's got a very heavy, thunderous sound but also has the chops to incorporate some very tasty fills. And Alex Van Halen is his usual solid self. In some ways, this new VH reminds me of the thunderous Mule we heard from Woody and Matt in the early years of Mule.

Also, now that I can decipher a few more of Dave's lyrics, he's as hammy and quirky as ever. Stay Frosty and China Town in particular have some really interesting, funny and catchy lyrics. Lastly, I will predict "Big River" to be the next single. It's catchy, has those nice VH harmonies, and a fast beat just perfect for radio. Not to mention, Eddie just rips the listener a new one on this, but in a commercial, friendly VH way if that makes sense.

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 01:17 PM
-i wish they had one of those short little instrumentals they usually do

- i don't think wolfie plays all of the bass. a few times the bass stuff sounds pretty similar to hagars solo album I NEVER SAID GOODBYE which eddie van halen played all of the bass on that

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 01:19 PM
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And yes, I miss Michael Anthony too, but damn if this isn't incredible playing from a 20 year old. This may be sacrilege to say on this site, but he reminds me a bit of Woody in that he's got a very heavy, thunderous sound but also has the chops to incorporate some very tasty fills. And Alex Van Halen is his usual solid self. In some ways, this new VH reminds me of the thunderous Mule we heard from Woody and Matt in the early years of Mule.


I'm not trying to instigate anything, but I do wonder how much Wolfie actually played on the record. And no reason to think that he might not have played 100% of the bass parts, but there does seem to this assumption that he did. EVH did all the bass parts on the bonus tracks on both of the compilations, as well as all of VH3 and quite a bit of the Van Hagar records. Who's to say EVH didn't also on ADKOT too and then Wolfie just learned those lines that EVH came up with?

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 01:27 PM
The album is pretty good, but I won't be going to the live show. If Michael Anthony isn't there, I'm not going.
 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 01:29 PM
But he does play it all live.

Or do you think he is bass synching on stage

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 01:35 PM
On the live clips I've seen, Wolfgang rips it up on bass. I'd bet he played the parts on the album. Maybe Ed played some, but I suspect it was minimal if at all. one of the first things I noticed was the bass playing and on VH records I almost never notice the bass. I think the kid is pushing Dad to be great again.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 02:24 PM
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On the live clips I've seen, Wolfgang rips it up on bass. I'd bet he played the parts on the album. Maybe Ed played some, but I suspect it was minimal if at all. one of the first things I noticed was the bass playing and on VH records I almost never notice the bass. I think the kid is pushing Dad to be great again.


Yeah, I hope that is the case. I really wasn't trying to start anything, but it does occur to me that EVH is known to be a control-freak and with the studio at his house he very well could have worked with Al on all of the music, and then taught it to Wolfie later.

Another part of the pisser of Mike Anthony not being involved is the opportunity to have played bass like this on the record. I think he gets a bad rap as a bad bass player, but I don't think he is at all. I think EVH told him to stay out of the way sonically, so he did. But I think he could easily could have played anything that was on this latest record. Sucks he didn't get that opportunity either.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 02:25 PM
Ross Hogarth addressed the Wolf question at the Henson Studios gig a few weeks ago to Brett of Vhlinks.com. He stated Wolf played all the bass on the new album. I assume he would know given he produced and engineered most of the album. On top of that, of the new tunes they've played live, you can clearly hear and see that the youngster has some serious chops. Again, it's no slight on Michael Anthony, just an observation that Wolfgang Van Halen is the real deal, no question about it to my ears.

One other thing, and this is pure speculation on my part, but I also think Wolf wrote the bass parts as they're style doesn't sound like anything Eddie ever wrote before. Even the bass effects are more of a modern sound similar to the type of music Wolfgang is apparently a fan of. And if you read what Hogarth mentioned about this subject, it just seems to me that Wolf had free reign writing and recording.

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Check out this live clip of Chinatown. It's evident that Ed loves playing with Wolfie, and Wolfie is playing his arse off! Look at the tapping and trilling with a pick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4df49v43Ss

 

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And yes, I miss Michael Anthony too, but damn if this isn't incredible playing from a 20 year old. This may be sacrilege to say on this site, but he reminds me a bit of Woody in that he's got a very heavy, thunderous sound but also has the chops to incorporate some very tasty fills. And Alex Van Halen is his usual solid self. In some ways, this new VH reminds me of the thunderous Mule we heard from Woody and Matt in the early years of Mule.


I'm not trying to instigate anything, but I do wonder how much Wolfie actually played on the record. And no reason to think that he might not have played 100% of the bass parts, but there does seem to this assumption that he did. EVH did all the bass parts on the bonus tracks on both of the compilations, as well as all of VH3 and quite a bit of the Van Hagar records. Who's to say EVH didn't also on ADKOT too and then Wolfie just learned those lines that EVH came up with?


Speaking of EVH playing all the bass parts on VHIII, there's a very recent Rolling Stone interview of Gary Cherone currently posted at Vhlinks.com in which Gary point blank states that Michael Anthony played most of the bass on "III." I would suspect the bass solo in the tune "Once" being an exception as EVH spoke about how he wrote and recorded that solo in an interview just prior to the album being released. He recorded it on a six string bass by the way. I seem to recall him saying he used the purple double neck Ernie Ball EVH custom that can be seen in the "Runaround" video. He was quite proud of that solo I recall. I dig it myself, the tune and the solo.

 

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Speaking of EVH playing all the bass parts on VHIII, there's a very recent Rolling Stone interview of Gary Cherone currently posted at Vhlinks.com in which Gary point blank states that Michael Anthony played most of the bass on "III." I would suspect the bass solo in the tune "Once" being an exception as EVH spoke about how he wrote and recorded that solo in an interview just prior to the album being released. He recorded it on a six string bass by the way. I seem to recall him saying he used the purple double neck Ernie Ball EVH custom that can be seen in the "Runaround" video. He was quite proud of that solo I recall. I dig it myself, the tune and the solo.


I'm going on recollection here, and my memory isn't nearly what it once was. But I recall Mike Anthony stating in an interview that he only played on 2 or 3 songs on III. It's funny how band members will have different memories of the same event though. Or perhaps Cherone was just towing the line thinking that was still the public position of the band? Speaking of, perhaps Hogarth was doing the same re: Wolfie? I really don't care - I actually hope Wolfie did have input and played everything. And the points you raise about tone and style seem to support that he in fact did. I hope so. I really do. It supports it being more a band and less an EVH dictatorship.

I believe the purple double-neck that he played on Spanked that tour was a baritone guitar. Similar to a bass, but not quite as hard to play as something like the 6-string Oteil plays. All this talk about VH3... I might have to dig that one out of the CD bin and give it another listen one day soon.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2012 at 05:24 PM
I haven't seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that anyone but Wolfgang plays bass on the record. I have watched all of the live clips so far and he is all over that bass guitar. If anything IMO he plays with more versatility than Michael Anthony did and adds another dimension to the music even on the vintage songs from their catalog. Whether or not that was Eddie holding Anthony back I do not know. What I do no from watching and listening with my own ears and eyes is that Wolfgang can play the $hit out of a bass guitar and is pretty damn polished for a 20 year old.

 

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I haven't seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that anyone but Wolfgang plays bass on the record. I have watched all of the live clips so far and he is all over that bass guitar. If anything IMO he plays with more versatility than Michael Anthony did and adds another dimension to the music even on the vintage songs from their catalog. Whether or not that was Eddie holding Anthony back I do not know. What I do no from watching and listening with my own ears and eyes is that Wolfgang can play the $hit out of a bass guitar and is pretty damn polished for a 20 year old.



Kind throughs in alot of extras on his bass playing, which is obvious why,Ed's his dad. Nothing wrong with that though.

Who knows way Anthony never stood out on VH's recordings. Always down in the mix, it seemed.

His playing does stand out on Chickenfoot and he sounds pretty damn good.
Go to the 6:00 min mark and Mike has a nice little bass jam going on.
Chickenfoot: Avenida Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVS6AIaXu5Q&ob=av3n

I remember watching That Metal Show and they were talking to Billy Sheehan and I guess EVH was after him at one time to join the band,Billy said.

 

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I haven't seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that anyone but Wolfgang plays bass on the record. I have watched all of the live clips so far and he is all over that bass guitar. If anything IMO he plays with more versatility than Michael Anthony did and adds another dimension to the music even on the vintage songs from their catalog. Whether or not that was Eddie holding Anthony back I do not know. What I do no from watching and listening with my own ears and eyes is that Wolfgang can play the $hit out of a bass guitar and is pretty damn polished for a 20 year old.



Kind throughs in alot of extras on his bass playing, which is obvious why,Ed's his dad. Nothing wrong with that though.

Who knows way Anthony never stood out on VH's recordings. Always down in the mix, it seemed.

His playing does stand out on Chickenfoot and he sounds pretty damn good.
Go to the 6:00 min mark and Mike has a nice little bass jam going on.
Chickenfoot: Avenida Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVS6AIaXu5Q&ob=av3n

I remember watching That Metal Show and they were talking to Billy Sheehan and I guess EVH was after him at one time to join the band,Billy said.



Billy was also recently interviewed and mentioned he was asked twice, back in '82 and then when they shafted Mike before the reunion tour with Roth in 2007. He turned Eddie down both times as he just didn't want to get in the middle of the whole affair and also really likes Michael Anthony. If Billy's to be believed, that sort of suggests that EVH DIDN'T fire Mike simply to give the gig to his son. And Gary mentioned in the interview I mentioned above that he thinks Mike was canned because he played with Hagar back in 2002. Gary suggested the brothers took that very personal and sort of had a "you're either with us or against us" attitude. Anyone who was paying attention back then knew Hagar was still enemy number one and Mike, by playing with him, sealed his own fate. He's happier now anyway, so good for him.

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  posted on 2/14/2012 at 08:55 AM
Listened to the album many, many times now

In fact, i can't stop listening to it. Love it.

Van Halen to me is always first and foremost Eddie's guitar. Don't care too much who is
singing as long as it is a good song. To me, I enjoy the majority of their catalog. I find
more duds in the Hagar era than Roth. The Cherone album stands by itself. I like it but
it is a weird album in a way.

I've heard the same about Mikey for a long time. Him playing bass on only three tracks on III,
and none since (unless the Roth demos from 2000 - 2001 surface). I immediately noticed his playing in Chickenfoot. Good for him and he sounds a lot happier.

Back to the new album, I really like the heavy stuff on here. If this was the band's swan song, I'd be happy with that.

But that's another day ...

 

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  posted on 3/1/2012 at 08:10 AM

Had to be fair and give this one a nice long listen. It deserved it.
I am not sure what I expected to hear.It's been 25 plus yrs since DLR
was in the band .Since then Hagar,Cherone and alot of down time.
I knew going into this these songs were old ones,demos,leftovers
or whatever. Which is fine I dont have a problem with that at all. Probably
for the best anyways.

This might be a bold statement to make but I feel DLR is just as synonymous
with the "classic VH sound " as the VH brothers are.
You can't get that feel with anyone else in there vocally. This is not a slam
on Sammy or Gary but both of those versions of VH were alittle different and
just not the same as when DLR is in the band...That is VH. Yes without
Dave they still made very good music, but like I said with him back in the
band that is VH. There is no way around it.

It will be interesting to see what happpens after this tour and so forth.
Will they write new material or pull from old stuff from the back catalog.
I am not sure on the new one what is old and if there are any recent tracks
they have written together.

Kinda got side tracked.... as far as the new one....

Tattoo- Not my favorite, but it has grown , and I guess they needed a single to release.
I like the ending the way it fades out with Ed's chording.

Shes The Woman-"Classic VH". You cold put this on Fair Warning and it would fit right
in.

You and Your Blues- This song and one other are the ones that I just can't grasp.
Not thats it's bad, but maybe there was a reason it never made
it onto a release back then

ChinaTown- Great interplay with Ed,Al and Wolf.

Blood and Fire- Probably my fav song on the release. Nice groove great vocal
phrasing and melody by Dave and I dig Al's drumming on it.

Bulletthead-Frenzied VH controled chaos, it's fun.

As Is- Of the three hard rockin songs Chinatown,Bullet, and As Is, I like this one the best.
Once again this is why Dave should always be in this band,nice vocal performance.
I like the chorus, straight forward , to the point when he just says "As Is", nuff said !!

Honeybabysweetiedoll-I really like this song the more I listen to it. Big B@llsy,weird,hard rockin
VH. This is one of the reason why I missed VH.


The Trouble with never- This one is kinda hard for me to pin down. The opening riff is very un Ed like
but still pretty cool. It probably still needs to grow on me.


Outtaspace-fun and rockin-typical VH song. Goodstuff

Stay Frosty- ditto from the one above!!!

Big River-this is the other one I just can't grasp. Just does not hook me.
Kinda sounds out of place.

Beats Workin- Classic VH again .nice vocals from Roth and great chours.


All in all this did exceed my expectations and I am more than pleased from this offering.
It will be interesteing to see what happens in the future. This is what VH should be,
with Dave in the band and I think they all know it. Yes they can go on without him, maybe
be successful but it just would not be that "true VH" sound.

After listening to this I kind reflect back on this band what they have done now with
the new one and in the past.I know this is obvous to most of all but VH is a very important/significant
band in music history. Like them or not you can't deny them for what they have done,meant and influences.
They produced alot of clone bands, if you want to call them that , BUT NO ONE has ever came close to what they
have done musically in that type of genre.

Thanks Dave,Ed,Al,Micheal,Wolf,Sammy and Gary!!!!

 

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