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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:22 AM
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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 09:57 AM
I love this album, the title song, nevertheless and high falls are my favorites, I wish they would play some songs from it. The only song I remember hearing them do recently is can't lose what you never had, which they did at the Beacon a few years ago.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 11:12 AM
I love Win, Lose or Draw. "Just Another Love Song" is a hugely overlooked song from Dickey's great repertoire, to me one of the prettiest things he ever wrote. It would be nice if he put it into a Great Southern set. To me what stands out about Win, Lose or Draw is that compared to the Brothers lofty standards, it appeared to be an average record. But it was light years ahead of what just about anyone else was doing.

The last line of the posted review was "If you're into rumors, you'll believe what you want anyway, but the Brothers just began an extensive tour and, on the evidence of this LP, they are together and riding high once again." The only time I saw the Brothers in the early days was on that tour he speaks of, @ The Forum in L.A. As always, they were INCREDIBLE, a largely instrumental show dominated by Dickey and Chuck Leavell. I can't remember everything they did from this record (I could probably find a setlist on this website if I looked) but I'm certain they did Can't Lose What You Never Had and I believe, High Falls. I think it was about a year later that they broke up............until the Arista years.





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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 11:20 AM
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I love Win, Lose or Draw. "Just Another Love Song" is a hugely overlooked song from Dickey's great repertoire, to me one of the prettiest things he ever wrote. It would be nice if he put it into a Great Southern set.


AGREED, & how many times has it been played onstage since then??
Not once
Baffling man
LLou always gets dumped on here but I always dug it -- has that energetic country vibe akin to Ramblin Man, to my ears -- & it too has never been played onstage btw --

It's a great album -- one that could never have lived up to the anticipation that preceded it IMO

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 11:36 AM
I found the setlist here for the show I was at in L.A., 10-20-75. As you can see, as one would expect, quite heavy on Win, Lose or Draw material. I know they brought back Can't Lose What You Never Had a few years ago, they were doing it for awhile. Not quite the same without Chuck, though.

1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Long Time Gone
4. Midnight Rider
5. Ramblin' Man
6. Win, Lose, Or Draw
7. One Way Out
8. Can't Lose What You Never Had
9. High Falls
Set II:
10. Nevertheless
11. Done Somebody Wrong
12. Sweet Mama
13. Statesboro Blues
14. Jessica
15. Stormy Monday
16. Louisianna Lou and Three Card Monty John
17. You Don't Love Me
18. Les Brers In A Minor
19. Whipping Post


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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 12:03 PM
Way cool -- never knew they did LLou before!! thanks for sharing that very interesting setlist -- will have to break out the 11/25 Providence cassettes

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 12:27 PM
An interesting fact about the 2 tracks "Louisiana Lou" and "Sweet Mama":
Jaimoe and Butch Trucks are not on those tracks. Johnny Sandlin and Bill Stewart
play the drums on those 2 tunes.

I like Jaimoe's & Chuck's work on "High Falls." Dickey's soloing seems a bit reserved
on that one. Butch once remarked that he thought "High Falls" was the best
instrumental Dickey ever wrote, but that the band "sucked all the life out of it"
in the studio.

As mentioned before, it was very hard to follow up 5 classic ABB albums in a row
(ABB, Idlewild South, At Fillmore East, Eat a Peach and Brothers & Sisters), not
to mention 2 great solo LPs (Laid Back and Highway Call). In some ways the
band sounds a bit worn out on this release, and you couldn't blame them.
Having said that, there's a lot to like about this album and I enjoy it. Glad I
purchased the 1997 Capricorn Remaster when I did. I believe it's out-of-print
except as a digital download on I-Tunes?

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 12:57 PM
Well, the only love I can give is for...

Cant lose what you never had
High falls
Sweet mama

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 01:18 PM
I love Win, Lose or Draw. Now I'm gonna have to pop it into my car cd player on the way home from work...

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 01:31 PM
Nevertheless, Win Lose or Draw, High Falls, Can't lose what you never had. If The Brothers released a new album with tunes of that quality we'd be calling it a classic album.
Those are great songs that need to be revisited every so often. The 'Can't lose what you never had' that has been played sporadically over the last 10 years doesn't match the original recording .

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 01:41 PM
I wonder how Louisiana Lou was received live. Reach for The Sky had several similar tunes ( similar to LL) that probably belonged better on a Great Southern album rather than an ABB record.
 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:15 PM
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I found the setlist here for the show I was at in L.A., 10-20-75. As you can see, as one would expect, quite heavy on Win, Lose or Draw material. I know they brought back Can't Lose What You Never Had a few years ago, they were doing it for awhile. Not quite the same without Chuck, though.

1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Long Time Gone
4. Midnight Rider
5. Ramblin' Man
6. Win, Lose, Or Draw
7. One Way Out
8. Can't Lose What You Never Had
9. High Falls
Set II:
10. Nevertheless
11. Done Somebody Wrong
12. Sweet Mama
13. Statesboro Blues
14. Jessica
15. Stormy Monday
16. Louisianna Lou and Three Card Monty John
17. You Don't Love Me
18. Les Brers In A Minor
19. Whipping Post


[Edited on 1/27/2012 by robslob]


I totally want that show. Who has it?

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:16 PM
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An interesting fact about the 2 tracks "Louisiana Lou" and "Sweet Mama":
Jaimoe and Butch Trucks are not on those tracks. Johnny Sandlin and Bill Stewart
play the drums on those 2 tunes.


Maybe they heard the songs and refused to contribute....just kidding. Both are pretty weak/similar "filler" like cuts to me.... I was so disappointed when this record came out, the expectations were, sooooo high. That was the peak of my fandom....and I wanted desperately to love this album, I really did.....But it was after not too many listens that this record made it's way to the back of my collection and not too long after that, things with the band went .....pfffftt. The recording sounds hollow and real passion can be heard by just a few of the players on select cuts.....A real let down to this day.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:24 PM
I have to join the chorus of "Win, Loser Draw" fans. As Stephen said
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It's a great album -- one that could never have lived up to the anticipation that preceded it IMO
I Love the whole record. One of the cooler things I've ever done was on my only trip through GA, I stopped at High Falls park, got my buzz on & walked down along the river while listening to the song on my Walkman.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:37 PM
Liked this record a lot. Thought it got a bad rap, along with Wipe The Windows, when they were released.

High Falls with Chuck's cascading electric piano solos is one of the most beautiful songs the ABB ever recorded. It swings like a MFer. Used to love to listen to that on headphones my freshman year at college after a few too many beers.....

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:40 PM
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I love Win, Lose or Draw. "Just Another Love Song" is a hugely overlooked song from Dickey's great repertoire, to me one of the prettiest things he ever wrote. It would be nice if he put it into a Great Southern set.


AGREED, & how many times has it been played onstage since then??
Not once
Baffling man
LLou always gets dumped on here but I always dug it -- has that energetic country vibe akin to Ramblin Man, to my ears -- & it too has never been played onstage btw --

It's a great album -- one that could never have lived up to the anticipation that preceded it IMO


I agree - and Sweet Mama had some Dickey's finest slide playing.

There's a lot to like on this record. Unless of course someone is looking for something NOT to like.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:45 PM
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An interesting fact about the 2 tracks "Louisiana Lou" and "Sweet Mama":
Jaimoe and Butch Trucks are not on those tracks. Johnny Sandlin and Bill Stewart
play the drums on those 2 tunes.

I like Jaimoe's & Chuck's work on "High Falls." Dickey's soloing seems a bit reserved
on that one. Butch once remarked that he thought "High Falls" was the best
instrumental Dickey ever wrote, but that the band "sucked all the life out of it"
in the studio.

As mentioned before, it was very hard to follow up 5 classic ABB albums in a row
(ABB, Idlewild South, At Fillmore East, Eat a Peach and Brothers & Sisters), not
to mention 2 great solo LPs (Laid Back and Highway Call). In some ways the
band sounds a bit worn out on this release, and you couldn't blame them.
Having said that, there's a lot to like about this album and I enjoy it. Glad I
purchased the 1997 Capricorn Remaster when I did. I believe it's out-of-print
except as a digital download on I-Tunes?


You can buy it as a new import on amazon for about 4 bucks:

http://www.amazon.com/Win-Lose-Draw-Allman-Brothers/dp/B000003CME/ref=sr_1_ 1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1327697049&sr=1-1

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:49 PM
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I found the setlist here for the show I was at in L.A., 10-20-75. As you can see, as one would expect, quite heavy on Win, Lose or Draw material. I know they brought back Can't Lose What You Never Had a few years ago, they were doing it for awhile. Not quite the same without Chuck, though.

1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Long Time Gone
4. Midnight Rider
5. Ramblin' Man
6. Win, Lose, Or Draw
7. One Way Out
8. Can't Lose What You Never Had
9. High Falls
Set II:
10. Nevertheless
11. Done Somebody Wrong
12. Sweet Mama
13. Statesboro Blues
14. Jessica
15. Stormy Monday
16. Louisianna Lou and Three Card Monty John
17. You Don't Love Me
18. Les Brers In A Minor
19. Whipping Post


[Edited on 1/27/2012 by robslob]


I totally want that show. Who has it?


Looks like a really LONG show. I'd like to hear it too.

I know a couple of the traders who are listing it. Let me work on it....

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 03:57 PM
Saw a bunch of shows from that era...loved the WLorD songs.....

The album is strained at times,but the live performances were awesome...

Loved when Gregg would step up on guitar during Nevertheless and WLorD is a very moving song.....

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 04:32 PM
"This is the Allman Brothers' sixth album, one many people never expected to see. Their last release, Brothers and Sisters, came out two years ago, and since then band members have seemed to be spinning off in separate orbits. When work on this album began in the spring, fans sighed in relief."


Here 37 years later the same can be said about this band.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 04:40 PM
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Liked this record a lot. Thought it got a bad rap, along with Wipe The Windows, when they were released.

High Falls with Chuck's cascading electric piano solos is one of the most beautiful songs the ABB ever recorded. It swings like a MFer. Used to love to listen to that on headphones my freshman year at college after a few too many beers.....


I'm with ya.

IMOER and Jessica may be regarded as more popular instrumentals, but High Falls is a great great composition. It's artwork personified.

 

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I found the setlist here for the show I was at in L.A., 10-20-75. As you can see, as one would expect, quite heavy on Win, Lose or Draw material. I know they brought back Can't Lose What You Never Had a few years ago, they were doing it for awhile. Not quite the same without Chuck, though.

1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Long Time Gone
4. Midnight Rider
5. Ramblin' Man
6. Win, Lose, Or Draw
7. One Way Out
8. Can't Lose What You Never Had
9. High Falls
Set II:
10. Nevertheless
11. Done Somebody Wrong
12. Sweet Mama
13. Statesboro Blues
14. Jessica
15. Stormy Monday
16. Louisianna Lou and Three Card Monty John
17. You Don't Love Me
18. Les Brers In A Minor
19. Whipping Post


[Edited on 1/27/2012 by robslob]


I totally want that show. Who has it?


Looks like a really LONG show. I'd like to hear it too.

I know a couple of the traders who are listing it. Let me work on it....


Awesome. I have a recording of a short radio appearance Gregg did shortly after writing "Win Lose Or Draw" and he played it during the show along with a few others. Just him and the acoustic guitar. Sweet stuff.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2012 at 04:51 PM
Has some great stuff on it. The title song and Can't Lose especially. High Falls is in its own category.

Personally, I think some of the subject matter, unconciously or not, *anticipates* the Scooter trial and the breakup. I mean, Gregg writing from the POV of an inmate? Well, coulda been the Jackson, Alabama bust informing that, as well. Call me crazy, but there are other occasions where it seemed that they anticipated events. Spooky.

The live shows form that time period are cool, too. One thing needed to be ditched was the synthesizer, tho'. Ugh.

Also love Wipe the Windows. Basically, the band thru '76 could do very little wrong, IMO.

 

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I found the setlist here for the show I was at in L.A., 10-20-75. As you can see, as one would expect, quite heavy on Win, Lose or Draw material. I know they brought back Can't Lose What You Never Had a few years ago, they were doing it for awhile. Not quite the same without Chuck, though.

1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Long Time Gone
4. Midnight Rider
5. Ramblin' Man
6. Win, Lose, Or Draw
7. One Way Out
8. Can't Lose What You Never Had
9. High Falls
Set II:
10. Nevertheless
11. Done Somebody Wrong
12. Sweet Mama
13. Statesboro Blues
14. Jessica
15. Stormy Monday
16. Louisianna Lou and Three Card Monty John
17. You Don't Love Me
18. Les Brers In A Minor
19. Whipping Post


[Edited on 1/27/2012 by robslob]


I totally want that show. Who has it?


Looks like a really LONG show. I'd like to hear it too.

I know a couple of the traders who are listing it. Let me work on it....


Awesome. I have a recording of a short radio appearance Gregg did shortly after writing "Win Lose Or Draw" and he played it during the show along with a few others. Just him and the acoustic guitar. Sweet stuff.


Was that the one where he was REALLY drunk - but still great?

 

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Awesome. I have a recording of a short radio appearance Gregg did shortly after writing "Win Lose Or Draw" and he played it during the show along with a few others. Just him and the acoustic guitar. Sweet stuff.


Was that the one where he was REALLY drunk - but still great?


He was feeling no pain, that's for sure, but yes, great music was performed.

 

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