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  posted on 1/9/2012 at 08:32 PM
I'm 49 years old and a lifelong ABB fan. I have seen Gov't Mule a few times and today on Sirius, Jam-On, I heard, New Years 2012, "Lets go get stoned". At first I thought it was Joe Cocker, Warren sounded awesome.. The song ended with Warren ad-libbing the words, I have to say that I never heard him do that before. He even sang at one point, that he, unquote, didn't know what to sing about.
He should have stopped prior to that, I always thought he was a 1st class guy, but when he said f&#k, followed up twice with mother f#@ker, I was shocked. I don't want to sound hypocritical, I work construction, and I am really good at using foul language. I just never heard him interact with the audience and use foul language before.
This brings me to my next thought; If you haven't heard the song, he sings for a long time, his political views. I didn't attend this show, but if I had, I would have let Warren know my feelings.
When I go to see a concert, I go to be entertained, not preached to, even if he was singing, I don't care what your views are, one way or another.
I know that that ABB has done fund raisers for Carter and Obama, I know that Butch has a liberal blog, I can choose if I want to participate in those forums. The one thing I always appreciated about the ABB, is I never once heard their views on stage.
At Merriweather Post Pavillion in the mid eighties, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, he got political and I booed him, loudly. There are numerous bands that I have not seen in concert, fearing that I would pay to hear them play, only to "pay" to hear them preach.
I know that in the "arts" industry, I will be subjected to liberal views, goes with the territory. But, to have Warren Haynes singing; occupy New York, Giuliani is a Nazi, corporate greed, and anti-rich people, I was completely taken off guard. Who is he to preach to me, against rich people. You can't see a show at the Beacon, with a couple of beers for less than a $100 a person. I'm sure Warren is doing pretty good.
This hurts me greatly, but Warren will never get another dime from me!
I have to take a stand at some point and I've reached it.
I have a read a lot of posts on this blog, over the years and know half of you agree with my political views. I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment.

[Edited on 1/11/2012 by kenny3144]

 
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"I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment."

Sorry to let you down, but I don't agree. Whether it's Ted Nugent or Rage Against The Machine, artists are in the business of expressing themselves. That's what they do.

 
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  posted on 1/9/2012 at 09:58 PM
When all the war freaks die off, leavin' us alone...

 

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We're in a revolution,
Don't you know we're right
If everyone is singing
There'll be no one to fight
People can you feel it
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I'm 49 years old and a lifelong ABB fan. I have seen Gov't Mule a few times and today on Sirius, Jam-On, I heard, New Years 2012, "Lets go get stoned". At first I thought it was Joe Cocker, Warren sounded awesome.. The song ended with Warren ad-libbing the words, I have to say that I never heard him do that before. He even sang at one point, that he, unquote, didn't know what to sing about.
He should have stopped prior to that, I always thought he was a 1st class guy, but when he said f&#k, followed up twice with mother f#@ker, I was shocked. I don't want to sound hypocritical, I work construction, and I am really good at using foul language. I just never heard him interact with the audience and use foul language before.
This brings me to my next thought; If you haven't heard the song, he sings for a long time, his political views. I didn't attend this show, but if I had, I would have let Warren no my feelings.
When I go to see a concert, I go to be entertained, not preached to, even if he was singing, I don't care what your views are, one way or another.
I know that that ABB has done fund raisers for Carter and Obama, I know that Butch has a liberal blog, I can choose if I want to participate in those forums. The one thing I always appreciated about the ABB, is I never once heard their views on stage.
At Merriweather Post Pavillion in the mid eighties, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, he got political and I booed him, loudly. Their are numerous bands that I have not seen in concert, fearing that I would pay to hear them play, only to "pay" to hear them preach.
I know that in the "arts" industry, I will be subjected to liberal views, goes with the territory. But, to have Warren Haynes singing; occupy New York, Giuliani is a Nazi, corporate greed, and anti-rich people, I was completely taken off guard. Who is he to preach to me, against rich people. You can't see a show at the Beacon, with a couple of beers for less than a $100 a person. I'm sure Warren is doing pretty good.
This hurts me greatly, but Warren will never get another dime from me!
I have to take a stand at some point and I've reached it.
I have a read a lot of posts on this blog, over the years and know half of you agree with my political views. I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment.



You must have gotten something way wrong. Warren sang the same Joe Cocker song two years ago at the Woodstock themed NYE show. If he never heard it before than how could he have sung it before????????????????

As far as him cussing, it's a rock and roll concert for Christ's sake!!! WTF!!!!!! I have heard Warren use the word Motherf_cker in a good way many times on stage. If that bothers you that much you must not have very many problems in life. Geeesh!

Also, political views have been part of rock and roll forever with some of the best songs ever written about political views and everyone has them. Don't like it don't go but Warren has never shied away from giving his views and the WHB song ' The River's Gonna Rise' is a political song.



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"I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment."

Sorry to let you down, but I don't agree. Whether it's Ted Nugent or Rage Against The Machine, artists are in the business of expressing themselves. That's what they do.



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  posted on 1/9/2012 at 10:36 PM
"Back to back/chicken shack
Son of a gun/better change your act
We're all confused/what's to lose?
You can call this song/the United States Blues"
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  posted on 1/9/2012 at 10:39 PM
Geez, hike up your skirts some of you.

I heard it on Sirius and thought it was great and even laughed out loud at Warren being so loose and pointed with his lyrics. Some of the things he sang were straight up funny as hell. His reference to Guiliani was when he actually meant to refer to Bloomberg but must have spaced the current mayor's name.

I can't wait to hear it again!

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 01:16 AM
As I mentioned recently, it's a good thing we live in a free world.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 01:31 AM
On the political thing I like what Weir has added to Throwing Stones lately

http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2011-09-24.adk-tl.larson.116137.flac1 6

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 01:52 AM
anyone have a link to Warren saying this? I'm dying to hear it. This news just makes me like Warren even more!
 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 01:57 AM
Lamest post of the year....so far

 

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Funny
 

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I'm 49 years old and a lifelong ABB fan. I have seen Gov't Mule a few times and today on Sirius, Jam-On, I heard, New Years 2012, "Lets go get stoned". At first I thought it was Joe Cocker, Warren sounded awesome.. The song ended with Warren ad-libbing the words, I have to say that I never heard him do that before. He even sang at one point, that he, unquote, didn't know what to sing about.
He should have stopped prior to that, I always thought he was a 1st class guy, but when he said f&#k, followed up twice with mother f#@ker, I was shocked. I don't want to sound hypocritical, I work construction, and I am really good at using foul language. I just never heard him interact with the audience and use foul language before.
This brings me to my next thought; If you haven't heard the song, he sings for a long time, his political views. I didn't attend this show, but if I had, I would have let Warren no my feelings.
When I go to see a concert, I go to be entertained, not preached to, even if he was singing, I don't care what your views are, one way or another.
I know that that ABB has done fund raisers for Carter and Obama, I know that Butch has a liberal blog, I can choose if I want to participate in those forums. The one thing I always appreciated about the ABB, is I never once heard their views on stage.
At Merriweather Post Pavillion in the mid eighties, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, he got political and I booed him, loudly. Their are numerous bands that I have not seen in concert, fearing that I would pay to hear them play, only to "pay" to hear them preach.
I know that in the "arts" industry, I will be subjected to liberal views, goes with the territory. But, to have Warren Haynes singing; occupy New York, Giuliani is a Nazi, corporate greed, and anti-rich people, I was completely taken off guard. Who is he to preach to me, against rich people. You can't see a show at the Beacon, with a couple of beers for less than a $100 a person. I'm sure Warren is doing pretty good.
This hurts me greatly, but Warren will never get another dime from me!
I have to take a stand at some point and I've reached it.
I have a read a lot of posts on this blog, over the years and know half of you agree with my political views. I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment.


I agree with your sentiment . I couldn't care less about the political leanings of musicians even if they're in accord with my own . I hope Warren doesn't get nutty with this stuff ala Charlie Daniels , Ted Stoogent , or David Crosby . I don't remember him using the stage as a pulpit up until the last 3 or 4 years , why now ? When entertainers start wearing things on their sleeves in the midst of making music , it's like mixing ice cream with manure ... neither one gets any better . If they're that serious about changing the world , they should simply run for office and keep it off the stage .

I've been in the auto industry for 17 years , and I guarantee you that not a single one of my customers in all that time gave half a damn about my views on politics or the way thing ought to be , and would probably taken offence to me laying something like that on them . Why should musicians and actors think that their job entitles them to express their opinions to their customers ?

I still think you're tops in the departments of writing , singing , and playing Mr. Haynes . But politics ? Knock it off .

 

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i was there & heard it all first hand....i liked it ~ it was just Warren expressing his thoughts as we all have the right to do. he didn't insist we have to agree with him ~ he was just having fun with the crowd & rambling a bit on a somewhat personal level. and yeah, so very many songs do express opinions, thoughts & have undertones or outright blantant statments ~ not anything new.

 

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I'm 49 years old and a lifelong ABB fan. I have seen Gov't Mule a few times and today on Sirius, Jam-On, I heard, New Years 2012, "Lets go get stoned". At first I thought it was Joe Cocker, Warren sounded awesome.. The song ended with Warren ad-libbing the words, I have to say that I never heard him do that before. He even sang at one point, that he, unquote, didn't know what to sing about.
He should have stopped prior to that, I always thought he was a 1st class guy, but when he said f&#k, followed up twice with mother f#@ker, I was shocked. I don't want to sound hypocritical, I work construction, and I am really good at using foul language. I just never heard him interact with the audience and use foul language before.
This brings me to my next thought; If you haven't heard the song, he sings for a long time, his political views. I didn't attend this show, but if I had, I would have let Warren no my feelings.
When I go to see a concert, I go to be entertained, not preached to, even if he was singing, I don't care what your views are, one way or another.
I know that that ABB has done fund raisers for Carter and Obama, I know that Butch has a liberal blog, I can choose if I want to participate in those forums. The one thing I always appreciated about the ABB, is I never once heard their views on stage.
At Merriweather Post Pavillion in the mid eighties, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, he got political and I booed him, loudly. Their are numerous bands that I have not seen in concert, fearing that I would pay to hear them play, only to "pay" to hear them preach.
I know that in the "arts" industry, I will be subjected to liberal views, goes with the territory. But, to have Warren Haynes singing; occupy New York, Giuliani is a Nazi, corporate greed, and anti-rich people, I was completely taken off guard. Who is he to preach to me, against rich people. You can't see a show at the Beacon, with a couple of beers for less than a $100 a person. I'm sure Warren is doing pretty good.
This hurts me greatly, but Warren will never get another dime from me!
I have to take a stand at some point and I've reached it.
I have a read a lot of posts on this blog, over the years and know half of you agree with my political views. I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment.


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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 10:38 AM
This reminds me of the people that go see a Roger Waters show and complain that he was too political and anti-war.

 

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Just my two cents

1 - Writing a political song is OK; that is artistic freedom. You go to a concert to hear songs being played. OK to have a benefit concert; you know ahead of time.

2 - Preaching not so good. If you went for a physical exam and your doctor started preaching politics you'd say "What an a**hole. This isn't what I'm paying for" Same thing for musicians

 

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It's know, mutherfucker.

Love,

The spelling, grammar and syntax nazi

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i was there & heard it all first hand....i liked it ~ it was just Warren expressing his thoughts as we all have the right to do. he didn't insist we have to agree with him ~ he was just having fun with the crowd & rambling a bit on a somewhat personal level. and yeah, so very many songs do express opinions, thoughts & have undertones or outright blantant statments ~ not anything new.


I like the above quote.

I appreciate both sides of this debate. But one thing i want to point out: Warren has been around publicly since he joined the ABB in 1989. This is really one of the first/only times I have head people complain about Warren on this level. - That says a lot... So he once felt like blatantly speaking his mind on this stuff.

Big deal.

I don't think it's going to turn him into Ted Nugent.

It reminds me of when Ringo Starr said he would stop signing autographs on stuff sent to him because he was finding them on e-bay. Everyone kept talking about what a d*ck he was for doing it, but no one stopped to notice that near-70 year old man had been signing personal items sent to him in the mail for over 40 years... most artists wouldn't have done it that long... yet all we do is complain about what we don't like.

 

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can anybody confirm that Warren referred to Guilani as a Nazi at that show? Or said anything 'anti-rich'? I heard him mention the mayor's name, and mention 'occupy', comparing it to the '60's movement. What I heard him say was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Back in the '60's, getting 'stoned' included getting 'drunk', or atleast that's what my ex-girlfriend's aunt told me. Nowadays, getting stoned is about getting stoned, and getting drunk ain't about getting stoned. Regardless I'm sorry that Warren lost a fan because of this, but he didn't lose me.


I have heard Warren refer to Guliani before usually during the song 'Don't Step On The Grass Sam' where he usually declares his distain for the marijuana smoking in the city crackdown after Guliani took office. Obviously Warren is pro marijuana.

 

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[QUOTE]When entertainers start wearing things on their sleeves in the midst of making music , it's like mixing ice cream with manure ... neither one gets any better . If they're that serious about changing the world , they should simply run for office and keep it off the stage .[QUOTE]

That is a crock of $hit!!!! Subtract all of the political songs from rock and roll and you would lose a treasure trove of great music and that goes for songs promoting either side of the political spectrum. You gotta be friggin' kidding. Are you a Nazi??? Artists in this country can write and sing about anything they want. It's not like he is doing things on stage like that moron Ted Nugent bringing a machine gun on stage and saying that Obama and Clinton should suck on it. It is just music and opinion. Why only the last three or four years??? Look at who was President four years ago and where he put the state of our country and maybe you can figure it out.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2012 at 12:42 PM
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I'm 49 years old and a lifelong ABB fan. I have seen Gov't Mule a few times and today on Sirius, Jam-On, I heard, New Years 2012, "Lets go get stoned". At first I thought it was Joe Cocker, Warren sounded awesome.. The song ended with Warren ad-libbing the words, I have to say that I never heard him do that before. He even sang at one point, that he, unquote, didn't know what to sing about.
He should have stopped prior to that, I always thought he was a 1st class guy, but when he said f&#k, followed up twice with mother f#@ker, I was shocked. I don't want to sound hypocritical, I work construction, and I am really good at using foul language. I just never heard him interact with the audience and use foul language before.
This brings me to my next thought; If you haven't heard the song, he sings for a long time, his political views. I didn't attend this show, but if I had, I would have let Warren no my feelings.
When I go to see a concert, I go to be entertained, not preached to, even if he was singing, I don't care what your views are, one way or another.
I know that that ABB has done fund raisers for Carter and Obama, I know that Butch has a liberal blog, I can choose if I want to participate in those forums. The one thing I always appreciated about the ABB, is I never once heard their views on stage.
At Merriweather Post Pavillion in the mid eighties, I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn, he got political and I booed him, loudly. Their are numerous bands that I have not seen in concert, fearing that I would pay to hear them play, only to "pay" to hear them preach.
I know that in the "arts" industry, I will be subjected to liberal views, goes with the territory. But, to have Warren Haynes singing; occupy New York, Giuliani is a Nazi, corporate greed, and anti-rich people, I was completely taken off guard. Who is he to preach to me, against rich people. You can't see a show at the Beacon, with a couple of beers for less than a $100 a person. I'm sure Warren is doing pretty good.
This hurts me greatly, but Warren will never get another dime from me!
I have to take a stand at some point and I've reached it.
I have a read a lot of posts on this blog, over the years and know half of you agree with my political views. I hope all of you will agree, a musical concert is not the time to hear opinions from the entertainment.


Warren's views are well known though he rarely expresses them. I also disagree with a lot of his views but unlike with some artists who throw it in your face all the time, Warren rarely does. Honestly I think he got caught up in the moment. Even when he expresses himself he is rarely that over the top about it. I have been to myriad Gov't Mule shows where not a political or controversial word has been spoken. I would consider giving him another chance but it is your choice.

 

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Just my two cents

1 - Writing a political song is OK; that is artistic freedom. You go to a concert to hear songs being played. OK to have a benefit concert; you know ahead of time.

2 - Preaching not so good. If you went for a physical exam and your doctor started preaching politics you'd say "What an a**hole. This isn't what I'm paying for" Same thing for musicians


Except if you have gone to concerts before you should know that some artists will express their opinions if they feel like it. If you don't like it don't go. People getting bent over 5 minutes out of a 2 1/2 hour concert is really very funny. The doctor analogy is just apples to oranges. You gotta go to your doctor. You have a choice with the concert. If you don't like if your doctor preaches his views to you go find another doctor. If it bothers you that Warren expresses his political views for a couple of minutes out of his show then don't go. It is also your right to boo him while he is expressing his opinion if you don't agree with it.

This reminds me of a few years back when people were blasting CSNY for preaching about the war with Iraq while they were touring to promote an anti war album. What did they expect???

 

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first he mentions Guiliani, then he mentions Bloomberg, and in regards to Bloomberg following Guiliani as mayor, he says 'atleast he isn't a Nazi'. I guess one could infer that he referred to Guiliani in that way, even though he didn't directly say that. But whatever...I'm still a fan. But probably more of a fan of 12-30-11 rather than 12-31.


Warren has been down on Guliani since the 90's though he rarely mentions it. I have two specific references in mind though. At the Central Park show in 2007 (I think that was the year) before Don't Step on the Grass Sam he criticized Guliani for cracking down on Pot Smokers. And in an old recording with The Q where he sang "Revolution" he changed "Chairman Mao" in the third verse to "Rudy G". Again, as I mentioned earlier, even though Warren's left leaning politics are pretty well known he rarely brings it up either in interviews or in shows. Once and a while.

 

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