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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 05:44 PM
Two founding members of Creedence Clearwater Revival have ruled out ever reuniting with frontman John Fogerty, insisting his offer of an olive branch is "20 years too late".

Fogerty, the main songwriter for the Bad Moon Rising hitmakers, quit the group in 1971 at the height of its popularity, and has been at war with his former bandmates Stu Cook and Doug Clifford ever since.

In July last year, rumours of a possible reunion were sparked when Fogerty admitted he hadn't ruled out a comeback and he'd "sit still long enough to listen" if an offer was on the table.

But Cook and Clifford have now spoken out to scupper fans' hopes of a reconciliation, insisting there is too much bad blood between the musicians for it to work.

Cook tells Uncut magazine, "Leopards don't change their spots. This is just an image-polishing exercise by John. My phone certainly hasn't rung."

And drummer Clifford tells the publication, "It might have been a nice idea 20 years ago, but it's too late."



 
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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 06:01 PM
a shame
 
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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 06:09 PM
It is a shame, and I'm not sure what the internal beef is, but as I understand it, John was the creative force in that band and probably gets the lions share of royalties from his songs. If the other guys didn't contribute to the songwriting process, they surely wouldn't get as big a royalty as John. I'm sure money is at the root of the squabble.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 06:16 PM
My two cents....I saw Creedence Clearwater Revisited last summer at Westbury and they were excellent. Stu and Cosmo can still bring it and the guy that sung the vocals was dead on and the band was tight as hell They have a pretty good thing going with what they have so I can understand if they balk at a reunion on Fogerty's terms....

 

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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 09:19 PM
Didn't Robbie Robertson kinda do the same thing?

 

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  posted on 1/3/2012 at 09:28 PM
that is too bad. CCR's music is by and large timeless, Such a shame they can't play in the same sandbox nice, but I guess it is what it is.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 10:29 AM
John never even visited Tom when he was dying in the hospital
 
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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 10:43 AM
Hmm, this doesn't sound all that pessimistic to me.. Isn't Stu Cook basically just saying that Fogerty hasn't made any contact? Seems to be a difference between what the guys are saying and what the article writer surmises. Or?
 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 10:49 AM
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John never even visited Tom when he was dying in the hospital
not true.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:01 AM
tom quit in 1971, Tom, Doug, and Stu, wanted to have songs they wrote on the records. John did not agree, [until "mardi gras" the last ccr record] the album tanked. and John quit. John wrote the hits. CCR owed fantasy records [saul zaentz] a couple more records on his contract. he gave up the rights to his songs he wrote w/ccr to get out of that contract. there are more particulars I cant remember, but stu, doug and tom, sided with saul zaentz, and this really pissed off John, and thus began the bad-blood for the last 40 years. when fantasy records was sold a few years ago, they re-signed John Fogerty, and gave him back the publishing rights to his songs as part of the deal.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:01 AM
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John never even visited Tom when he was dying in the hospital


Story John tells is that Tom, on his deathbed, told him that "Saul Zantz is my friend" and that it blew John's mind that, that was one of the last things Tom wanted to tell him before he passed.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:05 AM
Alright, so Stu and Doug are upset because John hasn't called them.

Well that's funny, because the phone I have can also call, as well as receive phone calls.

Putting ego aside, and thats all it is, Stu and Doug should have called John on his offer "to sit and listen"
Maybe something along the lines of "F*ck the agents, lawyers, and promoters John, lets just get together, play some songs, swap some stories, and see how everybody feels about it, before calling in folks from the outside"

These are grown men, it shouldn't be that hard. Pick up the phone, make the call, someone. Sheesh.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:15 AM
Didn't John Fogerty stiff his former bandmates at an awards show a few years back? I seem to remember that all were present and wanted to play - John said, "no way".

Payback, perhaps?

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:18 AM
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Alright, so Stu and Doug are upset because John hasn't called them.

Well that's funny, because the phone I have can also call, as well as receive phone calls.

Putting ego aside, and thats all it is, Stu and Doug should have called John on his offer "to sit and listen"
Maybe something along the lines of "F*ck the agents, lawyers, and promoters John, lets just get together, play some songs, swap some stories, and see how everybody feels about it, before calling in folks from the outside"

These are grown men, it shouldn't be that hard. Pick up the phone, make the call, someone. Sheesh.


This applies to many bands we know...

However, there's always something behind the scenes we don't know. It's always a good idea to also keep in mind that no matter how good it may be for the fans, musicians still have to get up there and play.

For instance, when Fleetwood Mac reunited after several years apart, Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham were back on the same stage after many years. Thing was, there they were, singing their giant hits that also happened to be written about each other to each other..."Go Your Own Way," for example. All the bad blood bubbled up again and eventually Buckingham took off. An ex is an ex!

Or, take Roger Waters and David Gilmour at the Live 8 reunion. Started off pleasant enough, but then they coudn't agree on a setlist, then there was some disagreement over politics (those two are oil and water on that subject), and Gilmour quickly realized that he didn't want to do it all over again. A song here and there together? No problem. Actually working together again? Touring together again? No way.

Bad blood, it be bad blood. Some folks to take it to the grave. Actually sounds like my Mom's side of the family...

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:25 AM
No Tom Fogerty, no CCR -- simple as that & how it should be left -- that band w/Stu & Doug is good enough...
seem to recall reading that even when Tom was in the hospital, the brothers even then did not have a brotherly exchange when John came to visit -- again IIRC, fwiw
John Fogerty can't be blamed for acting funny at times -- in addition to the loss of his brother, both in life and death, he holds a unique place in the annals of legal disputes
he was sued
for plagarizing himself
I don't remember who won though

I love CCR, have their great best-of record w/the cardboard-cutout cover of the four profiles, & a way-cool inside sleeve too
"Fortunate Son" -- like millions of others, the power of that song & his singing left a big impression on me
I say it's good Doug & Stu don't want to do it, then who would they find for a bassist & how would he fit in blahblah -- not that they'd have any trouble finding a bassist but still in all -- it would only end up as too much hype -- again, what Doug & Stu are doing with their band is close enough without all that...


[Edited on 1/4/2012 by Stephen]

 

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I say it's good Doug & Stu don't want to do it, then who would they find for a bassist & how would he fit in blahblah -- not that they'd have any trouble finding a bassist but still in all -- it would only end up as too much hype -- again, what Doug & Stu are doing with their band is close enough without all that...



Mmmm, Stu is the bass player.
They'd need to find a rhythm guitar player, and John's got one of the best in the business, in his solo band, Billy Burnette.

[Edited on 1/4/2012 by Efus]

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 11:33 AM
Whoops, my bad
Thanks efus :embarrassed:

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 12:23 PM
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John never even visited Tom when he was dying in the hospital


John said that when he went to visit Tom on his deathbead his final words to John were "Saul Zants is my best friend." This is the guy John had been locked in litigation with for a decade.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 12:34 PM
Damn shame .

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 12:58 PM
Seems that they are all willing to listen but not talk.

Stu and Doug need John and/or his songs where he really has little need for them. His tours over the last few years have been awesome and I can't really see it being any better with them.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 01:13 PM
There was an excellent 60 minutes piece a year of two ago just around the time of the release of John's most recent solo release. In the piece he talked about the law suit that had just been settled with his first record label. Suffice it to say, he was awarded a boat load of money and full ownership of his disputed songs. I gathered from the interview that beyond the money, it provided John with a sense of closure about the entire decades long dispute and I got the impression then that given the finality of the settlement, he would be open to some sort of reconciliation with his former band mates.
 

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tom quit in 1971, Tom, Doug, and Stu, wanted to have songs they wrote on the records. John did not agree, [until "mardi gras" the last ccr record] the album tanked. and John quit. John wrote the hits. CCR owed fantasy records [saul zaentz] a couple more records on his contract. he gave up the rights to his songs he wrote w/ccr to get out of that contract. there are more particulars I cant remember, but stu, doug and tom, sided with saul zaentz, and this really pissed off John, and thus began the bad-blood for the last 40 years. when fantasy records was sold a few years ago, they re-signed John Fogerty, and gave him back the publishing rights to his songs as part of the deal.


The Mardis Gras story is a bit more complicated. Apparently the other guys wanted to be more involved with the songwriting. John let them write songs, then informed them he wouldn't sing lead on their songs as his voice was a "special instrumented" suited only for his writing. His songs on Mardis Gras like Sweet Hitchicker, Somedays Never Come were the only decent songs on the record. Whether he was showing them who was of value or merely being a punative d**khead depends on whose side you were on.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 02:29 PM
For successfull CDs and touring John needs the others much less then they need him. CCRevisited is a Golden Oldies club circuit band and John plays the big venues with great musicians in his band. When he would be coming to Europe again i would rather see his band for 60 bucks instead of a media hyped CCR Reunion tour with ticket prices once again going through the roof. Just my 2 cents.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 03:39 PM
I enjoy John fogertys band anyways.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2012 at 03:43 PM
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These are grown men, it shouldn't be that hard. Pick up the phone, make the call, someone. Sheesh.


You would think at least a fax would be in order

 
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