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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 10:30 AM
I guess this forum is a good place because its about the two of them:

Its probably apples and oranges comparing then with now and, as a musician, I completely understand the urge and need to move forward. Having said that, I wish they weren't hidden behind the amp line and, as much as Marc is a great player, I kinda wish he wasn't there. Sorry. I prefer the '69-'76 set up where you could see Jai and Butchy right *there* and they had smaller old-school jazz kits that didn't hide them. Make sense?

They don't need a third percussionist, unless I'm missing something. I can't really hear Jaimoe these days with all that going on. Back in the day, hearing just the two was all the Band needed.

Interested to hear other folks take on this. I'm *glad * they are still at it. Rock on, gentlemen!

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 10:38 AM
Very tactfully, I hear what you're saying -- Marc of course is an awesome musician, but I guess I like just the two drummers better overall -- more of their individual playing can be heard, wheras JaBuMa is more of a singular "ensemble" sound -- two different eras indeed for the band -- some may like one better, others the other -- 'different strokes...' as they say...

I enjoy every one of the 1990-present day ABB shows -- just sent away for Jaimoe's new Renaissance Man CD too & really looking forward to checking it out
I love the ABB

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 10:45 AM
Different stroke, I guess. I actually like the added dimension of Marc's percussion.

We'll never have the Duane/Dickey band again - but Marc's playing kind of makes the music the current line-up's own. Like adding a new ingredient to an old, favorite recipe!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 10:47 AM
I like hearing Marc in the mix. Do you realize he is approaching 20 years as a band member?

Can you imagine Walk On Guilded Splinters without him? How about Instrumental Illness?

I hear what you are saying about the raw power and beauty of Butch and Jai's playing "back in the day," but I'm sure Duane would say, "It's all about evolution, man."

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 10:58 AM
No disrespect to Mr. Quinones whatsover but I'm in the group that prefers just Butch & Jaimoe and I miss some of the subtleties of Jaimoe's drumming with the additional percussion.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:07 AM
I love Marc's playing. I used to think he didn't add much, but on some songs he adds a ton of texture. Liz Reed, for example. There's a lot going on in there.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:08 AM
Thanks everyone for not hating on me. I know that it could be a touchy subject.

I guess I've never been able to really get with anything after '76. I've seen the Brothers several times starting with '89 Anniversary tour (I was too young to see anything before that) but haven't been able sustain interest. And it kinda bugs me because I *love* the old band to death and wish I could evolve with them. Its a bummer.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:10 AM
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Thanks everyone for not hating on me. I know that it could be a touchy subject.


Around here? Noooooo, who gave you that idea?

Like Dave said, evolution. Butch was the one that went up to Marc and said "you are going to play in my band."

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:13 AM
In addition to Marc's long tenure in the band...

Joe Lala played percussion on Pegasus, One More Time and Blind Love from
the Enlightened Rogues album.

Mark Morris was a featured guest percussionist on the Reach For the Sky
and Brothers of the Road albums.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:21 AM
I think they had the odd player sitting in on percussion even in the Duane days from pics and audio evidence.

Really, I just can't hear Jaimoe the way I used to.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:25 AM
I think the best way to hear Jaimoe in full force these days is with his
solo Jassz band. I saw him in a club in Simsbury, CT earlier this year and
his playing just knocked me out. A master of the drumkit.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:40 AM
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I think the best way to hear Jaimoe in full force these days is with his
solo Jassz band. I saw him in a club in Simsbury, CT earlier this year and
his playing just knocked me out. A master of the drumkit.
Not to mention his stuff in Sea Level!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:44 AM
That first Sea Level album is awesome. I love Rain in Spain, Shake a Leg,
Tidal Wave...Hell, I love all of it.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 11:48 AM
I love early Sea Level!

I'm jealous of all y'all living in the Northeast- anything Allman or Allman-related seldom comes to Texas.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 12:03 PM
I would tend to agree with MisterSnappy too. Even though I enjoy Marc's playing it seems to get repetitive. And through the years the drum sound has changed. Maybe the way they are miked. I do miss the interplay that you could hear especially on the Nassau archive cd.

But I am happy to have the band then and now.

Steve

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 12:10 PM
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I'm jealous of all y'all living in the Northeast- anything Allman or Allman-related seldom comes to Texas.


Yeah, we've been very blessed to get our share of All-Things-ABB here
in New England, and I try not to take that for granted. It also helps
that Jaimoe lives in Bloomfield, CT, just a 45 minute drive from where I live,
so we tend to get a good portion of Jaimoe's solo shows in our area.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 12:13 PM
I loved the addition of Marc. I don't think he gets enough credit for why those shows from 93 to 96 are so awesome. He is able to lock into what the guitars are doing so well. Helps create those peaks and valleys in solos.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 01:12 PM
This is a great topic.

I loved Jaimoe & Butch without Marc.

I love them with Marc.

To this day, what Jaimoe adds, to me, makes all the difference in the band. I do agree that sometimes he's hard to hear, especially for those who don't know what they're listening for... but honestly a lot of that has to do with the drum mix (on the recent few years of live cd releases) has been very light. Sometimes there is no pop in Butch's snare or the whole percussion line is mixed too far back.

I think that what Jaimoe does can be very subtle too... And sometimes what Marc adds too. While Butch always seems to just be the driving force.

As amazing and intense as Warren, Derek & Oteil (and before Dickey & Allen, Jack, etc.) can be in driving the band, without the amazing percussion line, the band wouldn't be nearly as intense.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 01:52 PM
Without the groove that the three of them supply there would be no Allman Brothers.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 03:22 PM
I like Quinones on Sailin' Cross The Devil's Sea and a few others . Aside from that I've never thought that he added to the band's sound truthfully .

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 03:50 PM
I never posted on this subject prior because I figured I would get crucified here, but I do agree in that a prefer the minus "percussion" pre Marc days. It is just too "busy" at times. And the percussion with drumsticks gets too rat a tat tat sometimes. Having said all that, Marc is an excellent, excellent musician and my opinion really has nothing to do with him personally, more the role he has.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 04:01 PM
Marc has been such an integral part of their sound for the past 20 years I can't imagine the Allman Brothers without him. He adds so much yet is so under-appreciated. I do agree that Jaimoe's drumming sometimes gets lost in mix, but most of us know and appreciate his contribution. And as was mentioned above, if you want to hear Jaimoe showcased there are ways to do that.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 04:10 PM
Interesting. I absolutely love the drum line with Marc. They play together like a hive mind of percussion. like Vikings thrashing oars against the surging tides, they propel the band forward to greater glory. Hyperbole, maybe, but I truly think the percussion section sets them apart from any rock/jazz/jam band on the planet. Marc does wonderful things in Dreams, IMOER, Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea, etc. I've seen the band a few times a year in recent times and every time I hear something interesting, Marc is playing it. Seeing the band live also helps with knowing what Jaimoe is playing, which is helluva lot more than it seems. Butch is so powerful and Marc layers himself on top, that Jaimoe's accents - they don't get lost, because the whole thing wouldn't sound right without them - but their subtlety becomes part of the big picture with out announcing who did it. I had to get my wife to watch Jaimoe and listen so she could tell what he was doing. She thought he wasn't adding much until then. I had to nip that in the bud ASAP! lol

I am in love with the drum section since 1991 and when I listen to the old tapes I feel something is missing occasionally. Maybe I'm a dissenter in this thread, but overall, I like the drums in any era, except the Toler/Trucks Tandem that had two lead drummers. I'm not slagging Toler, he was good but just wasn't used to playing with Butch like Jaimoe was. Again there was a symbiotic relationship with Butch & Jaimoe. Marc has done a remarkable job of assimilating. That said, I can definitely see the merits of just the two because the subtlety and intricacy of Jaimoe's playing is easier to pick out on the old recordings.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 04:18 PM
Somewhere, I have a recording of the Allman Brothers Band as the featured
guests on the radio program Rockline,circa 1996. During one of the
interview segments, Bob Coburn asks Jaimoe, "Now that you have Marc
Quinones in the band, has it changed the way you approach the drums?"
Jaimoe's response was something like "He (Marc) changed my way of
thinking about my approach to the drums, and I went back to playing basic
parts."

 

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  posted on 12/16/2011 at 04:27 PM
I just think it is GREAT that folks are actually talking about MARC!
 
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