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TIME MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR: THE PROTESTER

NEW YORK - From the Arab Spring to the Occupy Wall Street movement,
"The Protester" was named Time Magazine's 2011 Person of the Year
Wednesday.

Time defines the Person of the Year as someone who, for better or for
worse, influences the events of the year.

Is there a global tipping point for frustration? "Everywhere, it seems, people
said they've had enough," Time editor Rick Stengel said in a statement.

"They dissented, they demanded, they did not disappear, even when the
answers came back in a cloud of tear gas or a hail of bullets. They literally
embodied the idea that individual action can bring collective, colossal
change," he said.

On almost every continent, 2011 has seen an almost unprecedented rise
in both peaceful and sometimes violent unrest and dissent.

Protesters in a lengthening list of countries including Israel, Chile, China,
Britain, Spain and now the United States all increasingly link their actions
explicitly to the popular revolutions that have shaken up the Middle East.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1101581

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 10:42 AM
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explicitly to the popular revolutions that have shaken up the Middle East


I actually notice many of them wearing what I call the "Arafat scarf". It sort of has the same pattern as Arafat's head gear.



Hopefully, we won't go the way of the Middle East and the "Arab Spring", because that might be the biggest fraud perpetrated. I think there is something else more complex than some democratic revolution taking place. Seems to me its more of the same powerplay between Sunnis and Shiites. We empowered the Shiites with our move into Iraq in 2003. This was probably most unwelcome by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrian and other Sunni dominated countries. I think what we are seeing now is a move by the Sunnis to restore themselves after years of setbacks. Democracy and freedom will not be the winners, but the Sunnis will be.

 

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I actually notice many of them wearing what I call the "Arafat scarf". It sort of has the same pattern as Arafat's head gear.


The keffiyeh? Traditional headgear to some, evil symbol to others. The black and white one for a long time was associated with Fatah. But, the wearing of the keffiyeh is very traditional with different colors and such. Is it that big of a deal?

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 11:00 AM
Exactly which events of the year have been influenced, and/or what change has been brought about by THE PROTESTER?
 

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Exactly which events of the year have been influenced, and/or what change has been brought about by THE PROTESTER?


Depends. In Egypt the protester brought about profound change. In Syria, the protester is beaten or dies on a daily basis. In America, the Occupy protester pisses in the wind. It just depends.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 11:20 AM
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Exactly which events of the year have been influenced, and/or what change has been brought about by THE PROTESTER?


Depends. In Egypt the protester brought about profound change. In Syria, the protester is beaten or dies on a daily basis. In America, the Occupy protester pisses in the wind. It just depends.


Right, I meant here at home.

 

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Exactly which events of the year have been influenced, and/or what change has been brought about by THE PROTESTER?


Depends. In Egypt the protester brought about profound change. In Syria, the protester is beaten or dies on a daily basis. In America, the Occupy protester pisses in the wind. It just depends.


Right, I meant here at home.


Oh, here at home? Hmmm. Well, we would probably agree that the Occupy protests are, whatever. But, what about the Wisconsin labor protests? That stirred the soup in a big way.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 11:49 AM
Here in New York, Governor Cuomo and the state legislature just passed state income tax reform that raised taxes on the highest income earners and lowered it for middle class state residents. Up until about 4 weeks ago, Cuomo was dead set AGAINST such legislation. Some observers have suggested his change of heart had a great deal to do with the Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Albany protests. Who knows for sure, but the protests certainly had some effect.
 

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Here in New York, Governor Cuomo and the state legislature just passed state income tax reform that raised taxes on the highest income earners and lowered it for middle class state residents. Up until about 4 weeks ago, Cuomo was dead set AGAINST such legislation. Some observers have suggested his change of heart had a great deal to do with the Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Albany protests. Who knows for sure, but the protests certainly had some effect.


Also, when you have the top Republican strategist Frank Luntz saying that he's
"scared to death of this Anti-Wall Street effort," and warns that the movement
is "having an effect on what the American people think of capitalism," you know
for sure that the OWS movement is having an impact.

 

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What a joke.

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 12:23 PM
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I vote for Gregg Allman for cranking out a rock solid awesome solo album.

Or this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U



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Here in New York, Governor Cuomo and the state legislature just passed state income tax reform that raised taxes on the highest income earners and lowered it for middle class state residents. Up until about 4 weeks ago, Cuomo was dead set AGAINST such legislation. Some observers have suggested his change of heart had a great deal to do with the Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Albany protests. Who knows for sure, but the protests certainly had some effect.


Also, when you have the top Republican strategist Frank Luntz saying that he's
"scared to death of this Anti-Wall Street effort," and warns that the movement
is "having an effect on what the American people think of capitalism," you know
for sure that the OWS movement is having an impact.


Bullshit.

 

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TIME MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR: THE PROTESTER

NEW YORK - From the Arab Spring to the Occupy Wall Street movement,
"The Protester" was named Time Magazine's 2011 Person of the Year
Wednesday.

Time defines the Person of the Year as someone who, for better or for
worse, influences the events of the year.

Is there a global tipping point for frustration? "Everywhere, it seems, people
said they've had enough," Time editor Rick Stengel said in a statement.

"They dissented, they demanded, they did not disappear, even when the
answers came back in a cloud of tear gas or a hail of bullets. They literally
embodied the idea that individual action can bring collective, colossal
change," he said.

On almost every continent, 2011 has seen an almost unprecedented rise
in both peaceful and sometimes violent unrest and dissent.

Protesters in a lengthening list of countries including Israel, Chile, China,
Britain, Spain and now the United States all increasingly link their actions
explicitly to the popular revolutions that have shaken up the Middle East.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1101581


If you want to include the OWS dirtbags, that one is right up there with the Ayatollah Khomeni in '79.

 

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TIME MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR: THE PROTESTER

NEW YORK - From the Arab Spring to the Occupy Wall Street movement,
"The Protester" was named Time Magazine's 2011 Person of the Year
Wednesday.

Time defines the Person of the Year as someone who, for better or for
worse, influences the events of the year.

Is there a global tipping point for frustration? "Everywhere, it seems, people
said they've had enough," Time editor Rick Stengel said in a statement.

"They dissented, they demanded, they did not disappear, even when the
answers came back in a cloud of tear gas or a hail of bullets. They literally
embodied the idea that individual action can bring collective, colossal
change," he said.

On almost every continent, 2011 has seen an almost unprecedented rise
in both peaceful and sometimes violent unrest and dissent.

Protesters in a lengthening list of countries including Israel, Chile, China,
Britain, Spain and now the United States all increasingly link their actions
explicitly to the popular revolutions that have shaken up the Middle East.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1101581


If you want to include the OWS dirtbags, that one is right up there with the Ayatollah Khomeni in '79.


Wow.

 

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Here in New York, Governor Cuomo and the state legislature just passed state income tax reform that raised taxes on the highest income earners and lowered it for middle class state residents. Up until about 4 weeks ago, Cuomo was dead set AGAINST such legislation. Some observers have suggested his change of heart had a great deal to do with the Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Albany protests. Who knows for sure, but the protests certainly had some effect.


Also, when you have the top Republican strategist Frank Luntz saying that he's
"scared to death of this Anti-Wall Street effort," and warns that the movement
is "having an effect on what the American people think of capitalism," you know
for sure that the OWS movement is having an impact.


Bullshit.


Really?

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/01/379365/frank-luntz-occupy-wall- street/

 

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Here in New York, Governor Cuomo and the state legislature just passed state income tax reform that raised taxes on the highest income earners and lowered it for middle class state residents. Up until about 4 weeks ago, Cuomo was dead set AGAINST such legislation. Some observers have suggested his change of heart had a great deal to do with the Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Albany protests. Who knows for sure, but the protests certainly had some effect.


Also, when you have the top Republican strategist Frank Luntz saying that he's
"scared to death of this Anti-Wall Street effort," and warns that the movement
is "having an effect on what the American people think of capitalism," you know
for sure that the OWS movement is having an impact.


Bullshit.


Really?

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/12/01/379365/frank-luntz-occupy-wall- street/


Who gives a **** whether he actually "said" it or not? I'm glad you could prove that.

 

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It's a typical American response that some people would see the cover as only relating to OWS when the person depicted is obviously foreign. I think protesters through out the world have shaken things up one way or another and the end of the story hasn't been written about OWS so it's only one of the protests that should be considered.

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would object to the OWS protesters anyway.....if they're not in your yard and you're not in the 1%, what's it to you?

 

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It's a typical American response that some people would see the cover as only relating to OWS when the person depicted is obviously foreign. I think protesters through out the world have shaken things up one way or another and the end of the story hasn't been written about OWS so it's only one of the protests that should be considered.

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would object to the OWS protesters anyway.....if they're not in your yard and you're not in the 1%, what's it to you?


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From the Arab Spring to the Occupy Wall Street movement,
"The Protester" was named Time Magazine's 2011 Person of the Year
Wednesday.



Do you see now where the connection is? And was anything said about it only relating to OWS?

Now, read my statement again.

[Edited on 12/15/2011 by alanwoods]

 

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I read your posts the first time....now read mine.....any mention of your name anywhere in it? Sometimes it's just not all about you.

 

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Exactly which events of the year have been influenced, and/or what change has been brought about by THE PROTESTER?


Depends. In Egypt the protester brought about profound change. In Syria, the protester is beaten or dies on a daily basis. In America, the Occupy protester pisses in the wind. It just depends.


Right, I meant here at home.


Oh, here at home? Hmmm. Well, we would probably agree that the Occupy protests are, whatever. But, what about the Wisconsin labor protests? That stirred the soup in a big way.


Tea Party is still holding rallys, right?

 

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The keffiyeh? Traditional headgear to some, evil symbol to others. The black and white one for a long time was associated with Fatah. But, the wearing of the keffiyeh is very traditional with different colors and such. Is it that big of a deal?


Yes, its a traditional head scarf for the Middle East. The ones I see on the protestors in NYC are actual (neck?)scarfs though. They don't use them as head scarfs, just to cover their faces. I admit, I associate the black and white pattern on the scarf with Arafat.


 

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The keffiyeh? Traditional headgear to some, evil symbol to others. The black and white one for a long time was associated with Fatah. But, the wearing of the keffiyeh is very traditional with different colors and such. Is it that big of a deal?


Yes, its a traditional head scarf for the Middle East. The ones I see on the protestors in NYC are actual (neck?)scarfs though. They don't use them as head scarfs, just to cover their faces. I admit, I associate the black and white pattern on the scarf with Arafat.




Oh, well, yeah, they have been hipster wear for a while. Remember when Urban Oufitters pulled them off their shelves?

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 04:18 PM
Time mag really went downhill,I put them in the same category as Us and People.The Protester was a good choice though.

 

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Good choice, actually. While the protests in Spain and elsewhere are about nothing but whining that their Nanny State Socialists governments are running out of free money, the Arab Spring was a real movement.

As for including Occupy Wall Street in the mix - unfortunately they were heavily influenced by one of the whiner protesters in Spain who came over and gave OWS advice. The end result is that there are two factions in OWS - on one side is the anarchists and utopians who want to get rid of all capitalism in America and set up their own government which would be socialist or worse. On the other end are those that want to keep some form of capitalism yet turn America into a European style nanny State Socialistgovernment even though that model is collapsing all over Europe as we speak. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

That's it. Those are the only two choices advocated by OWS. That is the reason that OWS hasn't been too specific about what they want, because it comes down to two choices - anarchist/utopian socialism/communism, or turning America into a European nanny State Socialist government. Impressive.

You can watch a street level report about all of this on this recent Charlie Rose Show;

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12017

What I like about choosing The Protester is the Arab Spring. When Iran tried to do it in 2009, Obama let them down big time. And, those in the Arab Spring movement quickly realized that Obama was full of it as well two years later.

New York Times columnist and author Tom Freidman was on the ground in Egypt during the Arab Spring. Charlie Rose also broadcast his show from Egypt at that time as well and had Friedman on as a guest who came straight up from the square in Cairo that night. In the following Charlie Rose program from last February, which you can watch below, Friedman talks of how the Arab Spring protesters don't believe Obama's BS at all, realizing that he is just a teleprompter reader and and empty suit.

Also, as Friedman expounds, the Arab Spring protesters were pissed at the American LIBERAL notion that "those people" are not capable of any form of democracy. They saw what the American LEFT said during the Iraqi elections and they view it, and rightly so as I pointed out years ago, as RACIST! As I have said all along, that first Iraqi election with those 12 million voters with the ink on their fingers inspired it all.

Here it is;

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11466

So, ultimately, good choice by Time Magazine.


[Edited on 12/15/2011 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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  posted on 12/15/2011 at 06:25 PM
I just thought that black and white thing Arafat was wearing meant he was a fan of Bear Bryant!

 

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