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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 12:07 AM
I'm all for it.....hang up and drive

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 08:42 AM
Those commercials showing texters and the consequences need to be on more. It only takes one moment diverting your eyes from the road. One time I was driving on a city street arounf 30 mph. I saw two girls walking on the sidewalk. I look at the console to adjust the heater, no more than two seconds. I look up and the girls are jaywalking right in front of my car. I barely avoided them.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 09:01 AM
I am all for it..having been on the receiving end of a lady talking on the phone , running a red light and broadsidingme! Then having the nerve to say it was my fault..witnesses and police did not agree!

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 09:26 AM
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I am all for it..having been on the receiving end of a lady talking on the phone , running a red light and broadsidingme! Then having the nerve to say it was my fault..witnesses and police did not agree!

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Wow. Exact same thing happened to me. Talking on her phone in her giant SUV, ran a red light and totalled my car. First thing out of her mouth? Not "are you OK?". She said, "wow, you sure did run that red light!" All of the people that had pulled over to make sure I was OK immdiately shouted her down. She went and hid in her truck until the police got there.

 

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I am all for it..having been on the receiving end of a lady talking on the phone , running a red light and broadsidingme! Then having the nerve to say it was my fault..witnesses and police did not agree!

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Wow. Exact same thing happened to me. Talking on her phone in her giant SUV, ran a red light and totalled my car. First thing out of her mouth? Not "are you OK?". She said, "wow, you sure did run that red light!" All of the people that had pulled over to make sure I was OK immdiately shouted her down. She went and hid in her truck until the police got there.


That's because when they were 100 yards from the light it was green. These pinheads don't realize how short a time it takes to cover that ground and the situation changes while they are looking at their phone.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 09:46 AM
NTSB has no regulatory or enforcement power, but lawmakers usually go with their flow.

Several states already have laws on the books. Kansas is one. Saw a cop on the phone whilst driving just yesterday...

So...the logical conclusion and solution? The auto insurance companies! They can adjust their rates and premiums up and pay lower claims on accidents involving driver cell use.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 10:17 AM
I'b be happy if cell phones were banned period. They are an annoyance everywhere. Humph.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 10:37 AM
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I'b be happy if cell phones were banned period. They are an annoyance everywhere. Humph.


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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 10:40 AM
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NTSB has no regulatory or enforcement power, but lawmakers usually go with their flow.

Several states already have laws on the books. Kansas is one. Saw a cop on the phone whilst driving just yesterday...

So...the logical conclusion and solution? The auto insurance companies! They can adjust their rates and premiums up and pay lower claims on accidents involving driver cell use.


California has laws against both but people in the Bay Area ignore the laws like they don't exist. Plus the fine is $150.00.....not a real deterrent at that price. The cities around here will fine a restaurant $1,000.00 for putting recyclable material in the garbage but it's only $150.00 to put peoples lives in jeopardy so someone can say "Hey!!! whats up????"....HUH...nothing" while driving down the road....

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 10:45 AM
In PA they have a law against texting but not against making calls. So if you get pulled over just say you were 'dialing' someone.

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 11:16 AM
Been illegal in Ontario since last Feb. Still see about the same number of boneheads on their phones/Blackberries yacking & texting away .Think the fine is $ 153.00 , no demerit points.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 01:26 PM
The kicker of that accident.....I was on my way to a Dickey Betts show go figure ..nt

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 03:34 PM
I was walking in a pedestrian zone in the Silver Spring Town center when I was hit by a driver talking on a cell phone and trying to beat a traffic light a block away from where she hit me.

Only my experience as a high school gymnast and springboard diving in college saved me from having my brain splattered on Fenton Street. I still have a torn rotator cuff that limits my swimming to breaststroke in my left shoulder and pain in my right wrist where it was fractured when I stuck it in the ground to save my skull upon landing. The firefighters and EMTs could not believe my head was not injured as I flew about 30 feet from the crosswalk where I was struck. They were surprised that I had survived the landing. I thought I was a goner, but my reflexes saved me.

There were four or five drivers that saw me in the crosswalk and stopped for me. The woman driving and talking on her cell phone weaved her way through those cars to strike me. I saw her talking and looking in her purse as I looked down at the car, mid flight. That image is burned on my brain.

Maryland now has a hands free law. not that that stops the distractions of yapping.
I still see folks texting in cars.

In my car I have a hands free bluetooth deck, a GPS, a radar detector, and and Ipod hookup.
But I don't touch these things or make calls when driving. Once I am moving it's hands off
devices and eyes on the road.

The woman got off easy because the courts don't care and are overcrowded. The assistant DA trying the case never talked to me until just a few minutes before we went before the Judge. They put the County Police Officer that investigated on traffic duty the day of the trial. So he was not there either. The Judge sentenced her to 180 days of probation and a 500 dollar fine. She claimed poverty,(which was true) and got it reduced to court costs.

She nearly killed me and gets only probation?? ??????? and court costs. Not even a restriction on her license or driving privileges.

I guess if the judge put every distracted driver in Jail, there would be no room. There already isn't any room because of draconian drug laws.

Because of her poverty I had no recourse in Civil Court. I did get the limits of her coverage from her insurance carrier but that did not even cover my medical bills from the accident. No compensation for my permanent injuries.

So the criminal driver gets off nearly Scot free (except for her lawyer bill and increased insurance costs) And the victim gets stuck with the medical bills and permanent injury.

You can make all the laws you want, but in the end it comes down to personal responsibility.
Folks should be aware that when you get behind the wheel you are operating a deadly weapon and treat it as such.

And if you don't enforce the laws with stiff penalties then no one cares and it's bidness as usual.

This is one victims view of distracted driving.

Many can't speak for themselves from the beyond the grave.






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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 03:54 PM
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I was walking in a pedestrian zone in the Silver Spring Town center when I was hit by a driver talking on a cell phone and trying to beat a traffic light a block away from where she hit me.

Only my experience as a high school gymnast and springboard diving in college saved me from having my brain splattered on Fenton Street. I still have a torn rotator cuff that limits my swimming to breaststroke in my left shoulder and pain in my right wrist where it was fractured when I stuck it in the ground to save my skull upon landing. The firefighters and EMTs could not believe my head was not injured as I flew about 30 feet from the crosswalk where I was struck. They were surprised that I had survived the landing. I though I was a goner, but my reflexes saved me.

There were four or five drivers that saw me in the crosswalk and stopped for me. The woman driving and talking on her cell phone weaved her way through those cars to strike me. I saw her talking and looking in her purse as I looked down at the car, mid flight. That image is burned on my brain.

Maryland now has a hands free law. not that that stops the distractions of yapping.
I still see folks texting in cars.

In my car I have a hands free bluetooth deck, a GPS, a radar detector, and and Ipod hookup.
But I don't touch these things or make calls when driving. Once I am moving it's hands off
devices and eyes on the road.

The woman got off easy because the courts don't care and are overcrowded. The assistant DA trying the case never talked to me until just a few minutes before we went before the Judge. They put the County Police Officer that investigated on traffic duty the day of the trial. So he was not there either. The Judge sentenced her to 180 days of probation and a 500 dollar fine. She claimed poverty,(which was true) and got it reduced to court costs.

She nearly killed me and gets only probation?? ??????? and court costs. Not even a restriction on her license or driving privileges.

I guess if the judge put every distracted driver in Jail, there would be no room. There already isn't any room because of draconian drug laws.

Because of her poverty I had no recourse in Civil Court. I did get the limits of her coverage from her insurance carrier but that did not even cover my medical bills from the accident. No compensation for my permanent injuries.

So the criminal driver gets off nearly Scot free (except for her lawyer bill and increased insurance costs) And the victim gets stuck with the medical bills and permanent injury.

You can make all the laws you want, but in the end it comes down to personal responsibility.
Folks should be aware that when you get behind the wheel you are operating a deadly weapon and treat it as such.

And if you don't enforce the laws with stiff penalties then no one cares and it's bidness as usual.

This one victims view of distracted driving.

Many can't speak for themselves from the beyond the grave.



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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 04:26 PM
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I was walking in a pedestrian zone in the Silver Spring Town center when I was hit by a driver talking on a cell phone and trying to beat a traffic light a block away from where she hit me.

Only my experience as a high school gymnast and springboard diving in college saved me from having my brain splattered on Fenton Street. I still have a torn rotator cuff that limits my swimming to breaststroke in my left shoulder and pain in my right wrist where it was fractured when I stuck it in the ground to save my skull upon landing. The firefighters and EMTs could not believe my head was not injured as I flew about 30 feet from the crosswalk where I was struck. They were surprised that I had survived the landing. I though I was a goner, but my reflexes saved me.

There were four or five drivers that saw me in the crosswalk and stopped for me. The woman driving and talking on her cell phone weaved her way through those cars to strike me. I saw her talking and looking in her purse as I looked down at the car, mid flight. That image is burned on my brain.

Maryland now has a hands free law. not that that stops the distractions of yapping.
I still see folks texting in cars.

In my car I have a hands free bluetooth deck, a GPS, a radar detector, and and Ipod hookup.
But I don't touch these things or make calls when driving. Once I am moving it's hands off
devices and eyes on the road.

The woman got off easy because the courts don't care and are overcrowded. The assistant DA trying the case never talked to me until just a few minutes before we went before the Judge. They put the County Police Officer that investigated on traffic duty the day of the trial. So he was not there either. The Judge sentenced her to 180 days of probation and a 500 dollar fine. She claimed poverty,(which was true) and got it reduced to court costs.

She nearly killed me and gets only probation?? ??????? and court costs. Not even a restriction on her license or driving privileges.

I guess if the judge put every distracted driver in Jail, there would be no room. There already isn't any room because of draconian drug laws.

Because of her poverty I had no recourse in Civil Court. I did get the limits of her coverage from her insurance carrier but that did not even cover my medical bills from the accident. No compensation for my permanent injuries.

So the criminal driver gets off nearly Scot free (except for her lawyer bill and increased insurance costs) And the victim gets stuck with the medical bills and permanent injury.

You can make all the laws you want, but in the end it comes down to personal responsibility.
Folks should be aware that when you get behind the wheel you are operating a deadly weapon and treat it as such.

And if you don't enforce the laws with stiff penalties then no one cares and it's bidness as usual.

This one victims view of distracted driving.

Many can't speak for themselves from the beyond the grave.



Sometimes it seems we protect the right to be stupid.......


Lobbyists for the cell phone industry keep these laws either off the book or limit the criminal penalties.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 05:06 PM
I am with you 100% Ron. I was the LAST person I knew to get a cell phone. Family members ridiculed me for it...........I would just say, "I got by without one my entire life. Why have things changed?" I have had one now for about 4 years, it became a necessity for a job that I had. But I STILL maintain that we need to LOSE our complete dependence on them, especially if it means lives are being lost on the highway.

Just last Friday, I was driving on the freeway in heavy traffic and received a call. I didn't have my headset on, so I let it go to voicemail. I fumbled around for my headset while negotiating heavy traffic, listened to the voicemail, and heard it was an important call. I fumbled again with the phone in traffic, trying to enter the number I needed to call back. I was actually thinking while doing it, "is this any safer than holding the phone up to my ear?" It's NOT. That's why I agree with the proposed ban on ANY use in a vehicle, even with a headset. This sh*t has got to STOP and it needs to be enforced. Problem is, here in San Jose, they're laying off cops, the budget is so bad. But a law will help to eliminate some, if not all of it.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 05:22 PM
I think all of the technology is a great tool but we as a society act as though we just discovered butter so let's put a pound of it on everything....sometime just a little goes a long way. I would love to go to a concert again and not have people standing in front of me talking and then holding the phone up in the air or go to a movie and not hear the phone ring. Or have a family gathering where people are not updating facebook or taking a call or text. It amazes me that people don't care that others can hear their personal business.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 05:28 PM
NTSB wants cell phone and texting banned

Good, can not happen fast enough. The "Me" generations best friend.

How about a 2nd offense $500 fine. Not gonna pay it?...Cool, we'll just add it to your auto registration fees. Try not paying that.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 08:15 PM
It's a shame that we need yet another law, but since so many ignore the statistics, and put their own safety at risk (and mine!), there is little choice. Sure, there is some difficulty in enforcement, but most will voluntarily comply, and that will be a huge improvement.

I attended a seminar a few yrs ago put on by a personal injury atty, and she cited some pretty interesting stats which showed that even hands-free cell use increased accidents to about the level of drunk driving. She freely admitted that she was unsure why hands-free was nearly as bad as handheld. She speculated that it was something about the conversation taking the mind elsewhere than the driver's seat.

My Blackberry is an invaluable tool when I'm away from the office, but I almost never use it while driving (exception being interstates w/ light traffic). I often have to put it on silent, and keep it that way alot when I don't have to.

I think the problem is that most think they are above-average drivers, and can handle it. That is a mathematical impossibility. UPS has banned cell use by its drivers. They probably are above-average.


 

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I attended a seminar a few yrs ago put on by a personal injury atty, and she cited some pretty interesting stats which showed that even hands-free cell use increased accidents to about the level of drunk driving. She freely admitted that she was unsure why hands-free was nearly as bad as handheld. She speculated that it was something about the conversation taking the mind elsewhere than the driver's seat.

I don't know why a hands free conversation would be any different than having a conversation with a person sitting in the passenger seat except that many "hands free" set-ups still require you to dial by hand. They're only hands free in the same sense that a speaker phone is hands free.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 09:18 PM
Brock: The problem is that having a headset on only means you don't have to hold the phone to your ear. It doesn't stop you from trying to look up a number in your phone's address book and then dialing it. You can't do that without taking your eyes off of the road. It's even worse for me because I've got a low-level Nokia phone and the keypads are very small.
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She speculated that it was something about the conversation taking the mind elsewhere than the driver's seat.



Another damn good reason to ban them from cars. How is you're mind going to on the road if you're having an emotional breakup with your loved one while your driving?



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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 09:25 PM
Who do I have to talk to to get cell phones banned in bars, retaurants, and and other public places?

 

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I attended a seminar a few yrs ago put on by a personal injury atty, and she cited some pretty interesting stats which showed that even hands-free cell use increased accidents to about the level of drunk driving. She freely admitted that she was unsure why hands-free was nearly as bad as handheld. She speculated that it was something about the conversation taking the mind elsewhere than the driver's seat.

I don't know why a hands free conversation would be any different than having a conversation with a person sitting in the passenger seat except that many "hands free" set-ups still require you to dial by hand. They're only hands free in the same sense that a speaker phone is hands free.


I don't know why either, but the numbers she reported say there is a difference. One other thing she mentioned was the higher incidence of wrecks even a few minutes after the phone conversation ended, so it's not just the mechanics of using the phone, but the phone conversation itself. The mind is still a mystery in some things.

 

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Another damn good reason to ban them from cars. How is you're mind going to on the road if you're having an emotional breakup with your loved one while you're driving?




But isn't that true if you are talking to another passenger in the vehicle as well?? Should we pull people over for talking to each other while driving??

Shouldn't we require that all drivers and passengers wear a helmet while driving in a vehicle?? Think of all the lives it would save.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2011 at 10:55 PM
Back in the 90's I was a DBA for a hospital and I got called constantly day or night. Back then I would answer my phone and talk but after a couple of times i realized I was in a different head space while on the phone and driving so I stopped. When someone is in the car with you they can also see the road and the conversation can Eb and flow with the dangers both the passenger and driver are aware of. When that same conversation is had over the phone the brain becomes disconnected to the world around us. Ever walk by someone on the cell phone they don't even know what's going on around them....especially after a text or call they all look up like they were just born and had to discover the world again...blink....blink....blink....re-boot.....re-connect....blink....blink ....blink

 

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