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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 04:35 PM
http://youtu.be/x_g2cSNFzuY

Who the hell says warren can't play slide.

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 06:16 PM
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Who the hell says warren can't play slide.

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I always wondered what kind of crack those people were on. I love his slide playing.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 06:24 PM
I also really like Dickey's tone on the Paul Reed Smith guitar. I want one of those and I'll get one as soon as I win the lottery.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 06:57 PM
I just prefer Derek's slide playing with the Bros. Imho, Warren is just so repetitively predictable on slide. Perhaps it's because he plays in standard tuning.... I don't know...Going in for a listen, I wondered to myself how long it would take him to fall back on that familiar lick of his...Not long, it begins at about 6:35 and continues on for another 30 seconds or so. To these ears, every single Warren slide solo includes this ....a talented player no doubt, but his slide playing is pretty middle of the road.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 07:33 PM
Everybody has their licks they go to over and over Derek. Derek seems to end a lot of his solos the same way and I can almost always predict where he's going at the end. I think Derek's more inventive in his own band. Warren has played some great slide stuff live and especially on record. his sense of melody is superb and his intonation is perfect. (Derek's is too - I'm not comparing the 2, just trying to demonstrate Warren's ability which gets called into question)

In songs like End Of The Line, his solo is spine tingling and it's like a mini song. and his intro licks on Seven Turns - they're simple but fit so perfectly, the songs sounds wrong without them. he's got great licks all over the Where It All Begins album too. I also think Warren's playing helped the Brothers sound more Allmany when they regrouped in 1989. He captured the essence of Duane's licks and added his own style, keeping the familiar parts for continuity. His acoustic parts on Come In My Kitchen are pretty sweet too. He's may not be the greatest slide player, but he's damned good.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 10:56 PM
Warren was brought into the ABB in 1989 as the first true slide player since Duane. For the first time since Duane died, there was a thought of re-creating the true original sound with Warren in Duane's spot. Warren filled the role admirably for 8 years. He is an EXCELLENT slide player. We all have our taste. There is no reason to compare Derek and Warren. Both are different. Both are bold original players. But to deny that Warren Haynes is a great slide player to me seems ridiculous. But to each his own.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 10:57 PM
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Everybody has their licks they go to over and over Derek. Derek seems to end a lot of his solos the same way and I can almost always predict where he's going at the end. I think Derek's more inventive in his own band. Warren has played some great slide stuff live and especially on record. his sense of melody is superb and his intonation is perfect. (Derek's is too - I'm not comparing the 2, just trying to demonstrate Warren's ability which gets called into question)

In songs like End Of The Line, his solo is spine tingling and it's like a mini song. and his intro licks on Seven Turns - they're simple but fit so perfectly, the songs sounds wrong without them. he's got great licks all over the Where It All Begins album too. I also think Warren's playing helped the Brothers sound more Allmany when they regrouped in 1989. He captured the essence of Duane's licks and added his own style, keeping the familiar parts for continuity. His acoustic parts on Come In My Kitchen are pretty sweet too. He's may not be the greatest slide player, but he's damned good.


I totally agree. He is not good. HE is great. Whether Derek is better or not is a matter of taste and opinion. Warren is pretty damned great.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 11:14 PM
Best band since the Fillmore days=Dickey Betts.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2011 at 11:43 PM
And then there is Mr Jack Pearson.....

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 12:11 AM
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And then there is Mr Jack Pearson.....


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Just can't forget Jack P if there is a discussion about "Dreams"...

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 01:36 AM
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and his intro licks on Seven Turns - they're simple but fit so perfectly, the songs sounds wrong without them.


Eaxctly. And Derek has his guit-ticks as well, like when he takes the slide back down the frets and does that open string dirge sound between licks. There are times when it drives me crazy. But, he mostly does it when doing an ABB solo and doesn't do it so much when he is in his home groove with DTB and TTB. Warren's slide playing reflected the original intent of the ABB, although Derek is amazing when doig his own thing. And yes, Jack does my fave all-time slide solo on "Dreams."

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 02:46 AM
I dunno if I'm off...but from the first time I heard Warren in '89 playing slide in the re-united ABB, I've thought he was one helluva slide guitarist. He's got the chops, the tone, the intonation, and the touch. I think he is an absolutely awesome slide player. But, as Doug stated, to each his own. I'll take Warren any day of the week and twice on Sat and Sunday. Just my .02

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 09:50 AM
Big V you're wrong here and let me tell you why ... they're called signature licks for a reason ... duh. There was another poster here on this thread which voted for Dickey as best slide since Duane and I won't argue. I love Dickey's playing. However there are at least 3 Dickey songs which start off or contain the exact and I mean exact lick. "Crazy Love" and "Run Gypsy Run" come to mind.

The ABB incarnation with Warren and Woody (hell throw Neel in there too) was a MF. They meant business and had something to prove. It was more about the music and not "the road going on forever" IMO. 3 great albums which can stand against and up to any in the ABB catelog. For better or worse Warren's style has changed from being a balls on rocker to a little more of the jammy Jerry/GD style.

And while I may prefer Derek's and Jack's slide playing more so than Warren's most of the time. Both of them lack Warren's personality, determination and vision which is way more responsible for the continuation of the ABB than their nice turns on "Dreams."

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 11:56 AM
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Warren was brought into the ABB in 1989 as the first true slide player since Duane. For the first time since Duane died, there was a thought of re-creating the true original sound with Warren in Duane's spot. Warren filled the role admirably for 8 years. He is an EXCELLENT slide player. We all have our taste. There is no reason to compare Derek and Warren. Both are different. Both are bold original players. But to deny that Warren Haynes is a great slide player to me seems ridiculous. But to each his own.


I'm a Derek and Jackie P. guy myself but there is no debate or denying Warren is an amazing slide player. To me it's like do you prefer a porterhouse or t-bone steak.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 03:29 PM
I think it's the Fox Box that has three different Dreams with three different slide features, one form Warren, Derek & Jack. those are all great and I think it's a matter of personal opinion which is your favorite, but I think it would be crazy to say any, from a technical standpoint anyway, is less than excellent. hell, I think Sonny Landreth is an absolute master slide technician, but his music doesn't affect me line Warren's or Derek's or even Jack's.

I must admit, the JP days of the ABB are a bit of a black hole for me. I only saw them live once and have a handful of live shows on CD but I rarely listen to them. In 2005 when Jack filled in for Warren I saw the show that Warren came back and there was Warren, Derek and Jack on a few songs, and holy **** , that much talent on one stage may be illegal in some states.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 04:01 PM
would of loved to saw that show.
 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 05:47 PM
I actually have the House of Blues set on video. I remember setting the VCR that night. I dug it out and watched it a while back.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 07:23 PM
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I actually have the House of Blues set on video. I remember setting the VCR that night. I dug it out and watched it a while back.


I did the same thing. I converted it to DVD a while back and cut out the commercials. That was a great show. there may be a vine of it in the vines section.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2011 at 09:39 PM
My main problem with Warren's slide playing is that I think he gets a little too screechy at times. No doubt he is a great player, slide or otherwise, and a great singer/songwriter too. Maybe a good way to put it is that of all the many things Warren does well, slide is where he excels the least, in my opinion.

Nothing is more subjective than tone when it comes to music, and I just find Warren's slide tone to be a little grating at times. Warren's technique may be every bit as good as Derek, but I like the way Derek sounds on slide much better. Just my preference.

 
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  posted on 12/3/2011 at 09:58 AM
interesting indeed how we all hear different things from different players to my ears Derek is the roughest or drags his slide the most, Warrren is cleaner but a has a bit to much treble in his tone (mind you I am speaking of my ears ) and Jack to me is the Cleanest and smoothest of the three and I think the fact that he uses flat wound strings and of course his soft touch have a lot to do with that.. still all three are awesome players of the highest caliber to like one more than the other is just personnel preference.

 

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Everybody has their licks they go to over and over Derek. Derek seems to end a lot of his solos the same way and I can almost always predict where he's going at the end. I think Derek's more inventive in his own band. Warren has played some great slide stuff live and especially on record. his sense of melody is superb and his intonation is perfect. (Derek's is too - I'm not comparing the 2, just trying to demonstrate Warren's ability which gets called into question)

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  posted on 12/3/2011 at 10:11 AM
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  posted on 12/3/2011 at 10:41 AM
I'm just glad Dickey found Warren when he did.............this is just my humble opinion of course but I don't believe we would be enjoying the ABB if Warren Haynes hadn't joined the band in '89.............and even more so when he came back in 2001!

 

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  posted on 12/3/2011 at 11:46 AM
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I'm just glad Dickey found Warren when he did.............this is just my humble opinion of course but I don't believe we would be enjoying the ABB if Warren Haynes hadn't joined the band in '89.............and even more so when he came back in 2001!



X2!!! Laf1960, x2! If all Warren was was a sideman like JP and Derek then I'd bet he blow them off the stage. And also reversely, if Derek and Jack were responsible for being the de facto leader and focal point, then this party would have packed up and left years ago.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2011 at 10:41 AM
Dickey and Jack are superb slide players. My preference over warren or Derek.

 

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