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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 07:44 AM


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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 08:33 AM
Of course they do. American and Canadian Indians have a played in important role in history.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 08:46 AM
some do some don't depends on the family

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 09:05 AM
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Of course they do. American and Canadian Indians have a played in important role in history.


Why would you celebrate the conquering of your people and your land? What do they have to be thankful for? The fact that we didn't kill them all?

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 12:08 PM
I don't think them choosing to celebrate life on this day is any reflection of acceptance of conquering. Why would you insert a negative on their choice? Why would you assume you have a right to question it? Why are you even worrying about it? I personally trust and respect their judgement and not yours on this matter.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 12:28 PM
Why wouldn't American Indians take pride in this day?

After all its a celebration by a people that the native Americans helped survived in their first year here.

Another thing is T'giving is celebrated in different countries for different reasons, but primarily its to give thanks for the blessings bestowed on family, not nations or peoples.

Just a different way to look at it.....

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 12:37 PM

"American Indians" is a pretty general term. I know for sure there are some, like the old AIM warrior crowd, who think Thanksgiving is a crock of sh*t, but there are plenty who are just mainstream Americans who have turkey and watch the game.

What I like about this question is that it is an example of how Thanksgiving is the one time of the year where mainstream America even remembers that there ever were Indians here before Europeans. It shows that deep in our national consciousness, no matter how ignorant we are of Native Americans or their culture, we all know we owe a debt of gratitude to them.

That's the real Thanksgiving, thanks to the Native Americans who helped the first Europeans survive, when they could have easily wiped them out. And thanks to the Lord for helping us all make a nation despite all our differences.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 01:02 PM
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Of course they do. American and Canadian Indians have a played in important role in history.


Why would you celebrate the conquering of your people and your land? What do they have to be thankful for? The fact that we didn't kill them all?





I don't know what youtube video made you think that is what Thanksgiving is all about, but I would keep searching......

 

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Of course they do. American and Canadian Indians have a played in important role in history.


Why would you celebrate the conquering of your people and your land? What do they have to be thankful for? The fact that we didn't kill them all?



What do you mean "we" kemo sabe? My ancestors were in Russia at the time.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2011 at 07:46 PM
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What do you mean "we" kemo sabe? My ancestors were in Russia at the time.


"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?

 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 12:27 AM
I think I had a few who might have beat the pilgrams but mostly mine were in Scotland giving the English fits.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 07:37 AM
I would they, American Indians or Native Ammericans who are also just American citizens, do celebrate Thanksgiving.
Our national holiday, Thanksgiving, is important in our country.
How Thanksgiving began was the results of the American Indians helping the Pilgrim people.
Without the Indians and Pilgrim people, how would things have turned out if the Pilgrim all had died.
Yes, our country has had some of the good things for some and most awful things happening at the time. We all know from raiding first American lands, killing the people, introducing smallpox and other Eurpopean disesases that killed the First Americans, to slavery, child labor in NE, and more.
Ilike American hisotry and don't think it should be watered down , but at the same time, people don't need to live in 1775 or 1865.
The current year is 2011 , 2012 is about to start and we are all Americans first.


 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 08:19 AM
If you're from the South aren't you part Cherokee? So of course American Indians celebrate Thanksgiving.





the previous statement is sarcasm as so many people down here have always claimed to be part Cherokee

 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 02:51 PM
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I think I had a few who might have beat the pilgrams but mostly mine were in Scotland giving the English fits.


Could you be more specific ? Those Scottish rebellions were really something. They actually almost had it at one point, marched almost all the way to London, where the French could have jumped in. But they turned around.


 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 04:49 PM
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I think I had a few who might have beat the pilgrams but mostly mine were in Scotland giving the English fits.


Could you be more specific ? Those Scottish rebellions were really something. They actually almost had it at one point, marched almost all the way to London, where the French could have jumped in. But they turned around.




Let's see....I'd have to go back and check the tree for specifics but included in my tree is Charlamagne (sp) Robert the Bruce, William the Conqueror, the Douglas clan and the Stewarts. There are the early Irish kings, early Scottish kings and at any one given time they were at war with England over something or other...and more than a few met rather untimely deaths on the battlefield.

 

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What do you mean "we" kemo sabe? My ancestors were in Russia at the time.


"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?


Sorry brother. My Jewish anscestors were the victims of the Cossacks. They never killed anybody (Well the story is that my 10 year old grandfather actually killed a Cossack who was attacking his family during a pogrom but I never got the full scoop on that.) But I take your point. Nobody is responsible for the sins of their anscestors.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 04:54 PM
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Are you related to William Wallace?

 

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I think I had a few who might have beat the pilgrams but mostly mine were in Scotland giving the English fits.


Could you be more specific ? Those Scottish rebellions were really something. They actually almost had it at one point, marched almost all the way to London, where the French could have jumped in. But they turned around.




Let's see....I'd have to go back and check the tree for specifics but included in my tree is Charlamagne (sp) Robert the Bruce, William the Conqueror, the Douglas clan and the Stewarts. There are the early Irish kings, early Scottish kings and at any one given time they were at war with England over something or other...and more than a few met rather untimely deaths on the battlefield.


Oh you are royalty. You might actually have a claim to the Scottish thrown if Scotland ever breaks away.

 

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What do you mean "we" kemo sabe? My ancestors were in Russia at the time.


"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?


Sorry brother. My Jewish anscestors were the victims of the Cossacks. They never killed anybody (Well the story is that my 10 year old grandfather actually killed a Cossack who was attacking his family during a pogrom but I never got the full scoop on that.) But I take your point. Nobody is responsible for the sins of their anscestors.


Of course there were several Jewish Indian Tribes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj4s9z-EAE

 

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"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?
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Sorry brother. My Jewish anscestors were the victims of the Cossacks. They never killed anybody (Well the story is that my 10 year old grandfather actually killed a Cossack who was attacking his family during a pogrom but I never got the full scoop on that.) But I take your point. Nobody is responsible for the sins of their anscestors.
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Of course there were several Jewish Indian Tribes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj4s9z-EAE


That's awesome that your grandfather actually killed a Cossack. Those guys were bad news. It's always great when the little guy hits back.

As far as the Jews go, they did a pretty good number on the Midianites, didn't they ?

Please, don't take me too seriously, I sure don't.


 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 07:26 PM
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Are you related to William Wallace?


No, but several of my ancestors, both direct and what we call 'shirt tail', died fighting with him.

 

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Oh you are royalty. You might actually have a claim to the Scottish thrown if Scotland ever breaks away.


I doubt that....but if it ever came up, my brother and I want our castle back!

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 07:57 PM
I say " Happy Thanksgiving" to all American Indians. After all, they are human, same as the folks here in the South. Just my humble, heartfelt opinion. And they have the right to celebrate, or to not celebrate the day as they see fit. A great part of being American.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2011 at 08:42 PM
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What do you mean "we" kemo sabe? My ancestors were in Russia at the time.


"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?


Sorry brother. My Jewish anscestors were the victims of the Cossacks. They never killed anybody (Well the story is that my 10 year old grandfather actually killed a Cossack who was attacking his family during a pogrom but I never got the full scoop on that.) But I take your point. Nobody is responsible for the sins of their anscestors.


Of course there were several Jewish Indian Tribes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj4s9z-EAE

 

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"We" aren't our ancestors. I think it is safe to assume that nobody on this site has killed any Indians.

As far as Russia goes, I'm sure your ancestors got up to some dirty work too. Maybe riding with the Cossacks, killing serfs, torching Jewish villages, or whatever. It's the same everywhere. What was that sport, "serfing" ?
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Sorry brother. My Jewish anscestors were the victims of the Cossacks. They never killed anybody (Well the story is that my 10 year old grandfather actually killed a Cossack who was attacking his family during a pogrom but I never got the full scoop on that.) But I take your point. Nobody is responsible for the sins of their anscestors.
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Of course there were several Jewish Indian Tribes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj4s9z-EAE


That's awesome that your grandfather actually killed a Cossack. Those guys were bad news. It's always great when the little guy hits back.

As far as the Jews go, they did a pretty good number on the Midianites, didn't they ?

Please, don't take me too seriously, I sure don't.




My view on that is grievances that go back into pre-recorded history should be forgotten.

 

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