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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 08:10 PM
playing fillmore again 11/25/2011. i think that is played out. 3 time in last 6 years. time for something new. enlightened rouges /reach for the sky/brothers of the road. please something new.
 
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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 08:18 PM
They're also playing it in Boston - and Eat a Peach.

I don't know about you - I can hear those albums again and again and again and...

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 09:12 PM
Maybe not played out, but it does seem to be a cheap and easy ploy to sell tix. I was there 3-12, so perhaps I'm biased, but they are taking the specialness out of a once rare appearance of the album.

As good as 3-12 was, I liked 3-11 better. I'd be much more impressed if the band re-learned an old song (Nobody Knows) or put together a new cool cover like '07's In A Silent Way or '10's Blind Willie McTell.

But enjoy y'all. Try to find a neighbor who does not know they are playing it. I had fun w/ a guy near me at the Beacon as I correctly predicted song after song in the setlist!

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 09:39 PM
guess all those northeastern "U.S Tours" for the past decade is wearing thin They milked those udders a bit too much and have to sort to a gimmick, a trendy one at that.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 09:42 PM
Bold first post, but I am with you...

They have been over doing it lately. Not sure if its an easy out for the boys since every member has been doing their own thing much more these days... but I do think its time to dust off some of their catalog and give this theme a rest.
I actually ordered the Moogis of that show last year (which I believe was double or triple in cost of any other show) and it just didn't have the spark for me.
For $150/ a ticket in Boston they would have to be playing the Mycology compilation, Where it all Begins or Shades of Two worlds, to get me in the door.

Just think of all those tunes they haven't played in so long or play rarely:
Seven Turns
Good Clean Fun
End Of the Line
Get on With your Life
Nobody Knows
Back where it all begins
Sailin' Cross the Devils sea.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 10:31 PM
Is 3 times in 6 years all that much, really?

AFE is as good as sex. If I had only had sex 3 times in the last 6 years, I would request more.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 10:41 PM
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/entertainment/guestlisted/?p=1084&srv c=home&position=recent
 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 10:49 PM
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Maybe not played out, but it does seem to be a cheap and easy ploy to sell tix.


agree with you there - I don't think it's a coincidence that they are playing AFE and EaP on the 2 Boston shows that are not sold out yet.

Saturday should be a blast - whatever they play.
agree with you about hearing them cover some Miles

 

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  posted on 11/21/2011 at 11:17 PM
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Is 3 times in 6 years all that much, really?

AFE is as good as sex. If I had only had sex 3 times in the last 6 years, I would request more.


It is actually 4 in 6 yrs. But a better stat would be 3 in the last 9 months. Or, how about this one, 3 times in 22 2011 shows, meaning nearly 1 of every 7 nights. Not quite the late 90's staid setlists, but headed that way.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 12:21 AM
I was a bit disappointed to hear that they're doing it again. The wife & I were at the Beacon version in March. We're going again. This time with our 12 yo son. It's his first "real", non festival concert. I'm hoping he has a good time. He sure as hell knows all the songs ! My wife probably won't realize what they're doing. All the songs are great, but I just don't like knowing the set list before I head in.
 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 01:27 AM
hey, maybe they'll play the deluxe edition .....just a thought
 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 01:33 AM
Definitely a gimmick to sell tickets.
I like going to a show and not knowing what songs to expect.
Let alone in what order they would be played.
But if I was anywhere near Boston or Philly I would go anyway.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 05:51 AM
This current band has been playing the same songs over and over. I agree with nafhsel on this one. How much time would it really take for derek,warren and Gregg to write 2-3 new songs to throw in the setlist?? I would be disappointed if I had bought a ticket for these shows and found out they are going to be playing LAFE and Eat a peach.
 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 07:40 AM
This version of ABB peaked in 2006 and again on 3/20/09 with EC.

Otherwise,most of the Allman's band members good work seems to come out in Gregg's band,Warren's many projects and Jaimoe's very creative band.

As for replaying AFE again,I saw the first time they did it at beacon and it was tremendous.Playing it again--as others said,a gimmick.

Only a band with Duane and Berry and Dickey can play the same songs show after show and get away with it.They were THAT good.The current lineup is boring and no one approaches the 3 in the original band.

This band is in a rut,despite some good performances on occasion and playing AFE just deepens that perception.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 08:17 AM
I always thought 2006 was a weak year for the ABB, and would place the first peak in 2005, but I agree with dadof2's general sentiment that this lineup has already peaked twice. Many bands never even peak once, so if this lineup never does anything noteworthy again, they have already added significantly to the ABB legacy.

It's hard to reach a new peak when you only play 20 shows a year. That is a big part of it.

We would all love some new material, but at the very least, if the ABB are going to be a relevant musical force again, they need to play more shows. If they don't do a proper tour in 2012, I fear that any sense of momentum or continuity this band has will be gone.

 
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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 08:52 AM
Hard fans to satisfy. They hardly play any shows and people bitch about the setlists? the concept is played out? The band is in a rut? they peaked and all else is stale? Wow.

Duane era - play the same set over and over. (Although with some genius)
Chuck era - again little variance to most setlists
Dan era - Again pretty standard lists with little variation
Warren and Dickey era - Exact same set night after night in the exact same order with even the same lines spoken between tunes.

Jack and Dickey - same set
Derek and Dickey - same set

Warren and Derek - more variation than ever with the greatest amount of tunes moved in and out of the list.

Playing only a handful of shows per year and it is boring and stale? Not sure what you guys want or expect?

Comical considering the fact the the majority of setlists through all the years and eras were made up from the songs on that album. Perhaps played in a different order but still those base songs.

I think the people in places besides the Northeast would appreciate seeing any setlist.

What are people suggesting that they do? Hang it up and retire or never play any of the old songs again?

Y'all a hard bunch.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 09:14 AM
Jack and Dickey era was alot of different sets and the accoustic sets each show sorry no comparison..

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 09:18 AM
this may be a dumb question but im asking anyways... will the setlist on friday be identical to the one on 3/12/11or just the first set?
 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 09:24 AM
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Always glad to know it made you smile

The rut I referred to is less the set lists IMO,and more the style of playing....the AFE gimmick is just that...a gimmick that may not be as pleasing to long time fans.In my case,tastes change and evolve over time--I can listen endlessly to Duane era shows setlist notwithstanding.Same for Chuck /Lamar from '73--'76. The current band lacks that element of swing that many people either fail to notice or don't appreciate that was a major part of the 2 eras I most enjoyed.Recently,I read that Gregg purchased a sculpture of Benny Goodman.....listen closely to MJ @ the Love Valley show,or any shows from that era and notice the swing element...same with Chuck...watch Duane bouncing upnand down or swaying back and forth as the band plays the blues,rocks out and swings hard.Well,this era band rocks hard,plays heavy blues...but they ain't got that swing.....they can still be a fantastic band with great concerts,but to me,the distinguishable Allman's quality needs rock,country,blues,and when it all kicks in,it gotta swing....

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 09:56 AM
Call it what you like, but I'm going to buy a ticket to the Wednesday Boston show to see them play Eat A Peach. Probably just to see them play Blue Sky. Everything else is an added bonus. If they did it to sell tickets, it worked on me.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 09:59 AM
There are few things that I agree with in this thread. Yes, I do think that playing the full albums is a gimmick to sell more tickets. Announcing it ahead of time pretty much assures that. Personally, I'd be more excited for EAP, but if I heard them play all of the FE songs at a show, it's not like I'd complain. Yes, I do wish they would bust out some new songs,but I think this ties into what Rob said. They have not done a proper tour in two years. Unlike what one other person said, it's probably not that easy to bust out 2-3 songs that are worthy to be played by this particular band, not with only playing together 15-20 times/year. But we'd all like new music. If there is any truth to what Butch posted in his blog and what Gregg has said, than maybe we'll get a full year of touring from the ABB next year.

What I disagree with. There was not a lot of variance in the setlist in the 90's. I know someone said that there was with Jack and Dickey, and I'm just not seeing it. I have been converting a lot of my tapes over to cd, and they had about 20-25 songs that they played, they just put them into different spots in the setlist night to night. As an example, I was at the Red Rocks shows in 98. Back to back nights, and they played 9 of the same songs both nights. 9. I liked the acoustic stuff they did, but hearing the same 4 songs played acoustic night after night, well that is the definition of a rut right there. I'll be at both Tower shows, and I'll bet money that if there are repeats, it willl only be 1 or 2 songs. That never happend in the 90's.

I loved the 90's and relistening to all of my tapes from that era has only reaffirmed how awesome those lineups were. And yes, I do believe this lineup was much better earlier in the decade when they were playing more together. But I am just thankful that they still are out there playing, and playing at a high level. IF there is a better band live to see, I don't know who they are.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 10:01 AM
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This band is in a rut,despite some good performances on occasion and playing AFE just deepens that perception.




LOL too funny, there are several bands from the 60's and 70's doing the casino tour that are in a way deeper rut then these guys.

I would be very happy to jump in my car drive to a venue, pay my dollars to see the Bros. play either album once and then be able to be home in time for lunch with my kids.

You northeastern folks are spoiled with shows. Go watch the 17th version of Deep Purple or the choreographed lip syncing ZZ Top show and tell us how that went.

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 10:13 AM
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Jack and Dickey era was alot of different sets and the accoustic sets each show sorry no comparison..


There was definitely some variation but pretty minor. No knock on the shows as they were awesome but not a different setlist every night. The truth is that Dickey doesn't like too much variation in the setlists so any lineup involving him since the original will play pretty much the same sets.

While I agree that the current lineup has scaled back over the last couple of years, Warren deinitely creates a diferent set each night.

They may not have the swing that you are looking for and then it is a matter of style preference which is taste. But the thread is more about what they will be playing then how it will be played. I understand your swing issue and I know that we all prefer diferent eras but some aspects of eras could be considered predictable. Knowing what Dickey/Gregg will say before/after a certain song and knowing what song comes next gets stale after seeing multiple shows on a tour. Sadly the original lineup didn't get the time to expand more but I for one would have loved more variation on setlists. Especially now that those shows are our base for the original lineup.

Gimmick to sell some seats? Maybe but nothing wrong with that unless you prefer half full buildings and no shows in the future from lack of sales. Done a few times in a few years or even a year? Big deal. Roger Waters will have been playing Wall shows spanning over three years. Entire tours based on playing an album in its' entirety.

Comical? For me it is. The setlists for over 40 years have been based on those same songs.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 10:15 AM
When I first heard about it, it made me sad.

Now, I'm over it.

At first, I was like, "if it's so hard to sell tix for that day, cancel the show." There's no shame in canceling a show on the Friday after Thanksgiving. It's bad timing. The fact that they sold Saturday out a long time ago, shows somethign was wrong with Friday (and previously, Sunday (still T-giving weekend, and Eagles).

But, what the hell? I don't care. They can do whatever they want. If they don't feel it cheapens anything, than neither do I. There are some serious artists in that band, and I don't think they'd stand for it if it didn't feel right.

All I know is, I'm going Saturday, and for some reason am happy that I'm not going to the Fillmore show night (and this coming from a guy whose been to a handful of Bros shows in my life, and YDLM extended). It just seems a bit contrived to me.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2011 at 10:20 AM
I'm nothing more than a basement jam guitar player, so I don't really know, but this thought struck me:

Maybe they're doing these albums because since they're only playing a few sporadic shows, they know they'll be tighter.

On any given night at show, they're always playing at least a few songs from AFE and/or EAP. Now, they haven't played together in a while, who knows how long they've been rehearsing.

We can say they should know all their songs inside and out, and maybe that's right, but perhaps playing a full setlist of the songs they play the most gives them the best chance on really being on top of things?

Thoughts?

 
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