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  posted on 11/18/2011 at 01:51 PM
Well....we cut out at the DJ Ashba solo about 90 minutes in, but this reviewer pretty much has it spot on about how last night's show went down. I've also included a link to the Rolling Stone review, which was a bit more positive.

NJ Star Ledger (Newark) by Tris McCall

The show time printed on the ticket read 8 p.m. By a quarter after 10, opening act Asking Alexandria had long since cleared its gear from the Izod Center stage, and there was still no sign of Guns N' Roses. At 11 p.m. the lights went down, and Axl Rose and his latest gang of accomplices finally began to play. By the time they relinquished the stage, it was two in the morning.

This is behavior befitting a young rebel eager to establish the up-yours punk credibility of his group. But Guns N' Roses gave up any punk rock pretenses long ago, steering away from the aggressive attack of its early material toward lengthy, souped-up, symphonic power ballads like "November Rain." And W. Axl Rose is no longer a young rebel or a young anything. Before reinflating the Guns N' Roses brand in 2008 with the long-delayed release of "Chinese Democracy," he'd been in the pop-cultural equivalent of carbon freeze for about fifteen years. Judging from Thursday night's marathon concert -- one that provided neither apology nor reason for starting as late or going as long as it did -- he has not entirely thawed.

Rose is the last man standing from the classic G N' R lineup that turnedhard rock upside down in 1987 with "Appetite For Destruction." Slash, Izzy, and Duff are long gone, replaced by musicians who can approximate the power of the old combo but who cannot approach its strung-out grandeur. Rose spent more than 15 years laboring over "Chinese Democracy;" when it finally hit retailers, its reception was underwhelming. The Izod Center was not even close to capacity on Thursday.

The sane response to all of this would have been to acknowledge the passage of time with a lean, menacing, modest set. Modesty, however, is not in the Axl Rose playbook. Instead he broke out the ladle for an endless pasta bowl of music: a three-hour extravaganza that was equal parts awe-inspiring, ham-handed, and downright bizarre. This was a show that featured, among other things, a lengthy overdriven version of the "Pink Panther" theme song by guitarist Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, deafening firework explosions on every single chorus downbeat of "Live and Let Die," an all-instrumental grand piano rendition of "Baba O' Riley" (the whole thing!) that felt like a School of Rock recital, and Rose at that same piano, growling through "Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2" while a giant inflatable bust of Mao glowered in the background.

It also featured many impressive demonstrations of arena rock at its most imposing. Songs from "Appetite For Destruction" were played ferociously, if not always precisely: "It's So Easy" and "Mr. Brownstone" were discharged with the withering heat (and the heavy-industrial subtlety) of a blast furnace. Material from the two "Use Your Illusion" albums fared even better, particularly the piano-rock epics that appeal so strongly to Rose's taste for melted American cheese. The nine-minute "November Rain" -- in retrospect, the first indication that Rose desperately needed an editor -- was a showcase for the singer's still-elastic voice. "Estranged," the other grand "Illusion" ballad, was an entertaining tag-team wrestling match between Rose, pianist Dizzy Reed, and the band's three guitarists.

Unfortunately, Rose was rarely the victor of these matches. The biggest problem with the Guns N' Roses concert was not its length or lateness, or even its setlist larded down with strange material and unnecessary excursions. It was the volume. Guns N' Roses played loud enough to rattle the fillings out of your teeth.

Hard rock is supposed to blare, of course. That is part of its puerile charm. But Rose is the only star left in the band, and for far too much of the concert, his voice was drowned out by Frank Ferrer's earthquake-simulating kick drum and Tommy Stinson's subway-rumble bass. DJ Ashba proved himself a credible substitute for Slash (disturbingly, he even seemed to have raided Slash's wardrobe), but nobody came to see him. They were there to see the singer, and the singer was often reduced to a sideshow.

Axl's frequent unintelligibility on songs like "Welcome to the Jungle" and "Rocket Queen" wasn't a crippling problem, because everybody in the crowd already knew the words. The lesser-known "Chinese Democracy" songs, however, were torpedoed by the mix. In the '80s, Axl Rose distinguished himself as one of the few hard rock singers capable of communicating ideas more complicated than the pop-metal basics of copious sleaze and cherry pie. It was a shame that he did not get to use much of that expressive latitude at the Meadowlands, but chances are, the old volume junkie wouldn't have had it any other way.

Opening act Asking Alexandria -- allegedly hand-picked for this show by Guns N' Roses themselves -- was thrown to the wolves at 9 p.m. The group played a competent brand of sample-assisted screamo and metalcore akin to Bamboozle favorites Attack! Attack!; predictably, Guns N' Roses fans, weaned on an entirely different style of heavy music, loathed the band. Asking Alexandria wasn't booed off the stage, but they finished their songs to crashing indifference. The members of the U.K. combo will not remember their Guns N' Roses experience as a triumph. They're hardly alone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/guns-n-roses-roar-back-at-monster-n- j-show-20111118

 

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  posted on 11/18/2011 at 02:59 PM
GnR died a miserable death when Izzy Stradlin left. his records are great rock & roll records by the way and Rick Richards from Georgia Satellites plays lead guitar on most, if not all, of them. they're all available on iTunes. If you like high energy ass kicking rock with a bluesy touch Izzy iz your man.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2011 at 04:17 PM
Was anyone actually still waiting for Chinese for Democracy when it finally hit the shelves??? The hype was long gone - as was the band.

Considered going nonetheless. Maybe I should have, since cheap parking lot tickets must have been easy to score.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2011 at 05:22 PM
i was still waiting for it.

anyways like to point out 2 things and lets not start a riot over this. rose only spent about 10 years on the album not 15. the band took most of 1994/95 off. slash kicked around some ideas axl hated. slash left. they started again in late '96 with new ideas and by end of '97 matt and duff left. axl then started again basically from scratch as he made a deal with duff to drop anything he had co-written.

second thing i'd like to say "november rain" was much shorter at first but in order to get the song released axl had to give slash a long guitar solo in the song (thats now an iconic solo imo) and add the long fast outro so i would guess the song was probably close to 3 minutes shorter when first written.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2011 at 05:39 PM
Another pointless Axl Rose thread.
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  posted on 11/19/2011 at 01:34 PM
Don't know if it's IZOD or the performers, but my daughter waited 2 hrs past posted start time for Kanye and Jay-Z. Just not fair to the consumer
 

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  posted on 11/19/2011 at 05:32 PM
Why are people still complaining about GnR going onstage late still? They've been doing it for 20 years or so, haven't people gotten the idea by now? If you're going to a GnR concert and the ticket says 8 and you don't want to see the opening band, then get to the venue at 10 and you won't wait at all. Problem solved.

And to echo what abb420 says, another pointless Axl Rose thread. You know how when someone claims to "hate" something so much that they always talk about it and it looks like they really love it? That's what it looks like with Axl and people on this board.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2011 at 06:07 PM
Its called a review.
I posted it because people on this board were thinking about spending hard earned money to go see this band. I didn't even give my opinion, other than I got freebies to go, we cut out early, and the reviewer was fairly spot on.

And it is funny, that a worthless thread would draw and even more worthless reply on it. Go figure.

And does your opinion really need to be offered up if all it is, is whining about others whining? Which is worse?

Here's a tissue and a hammer, dry yer eyes, build a bridge and get over it.

Have a nice weekend "music lovers".....

 

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  posted on 11/19/2011 at 10:13 PM
And it is funny, that a worthless thread would draw and even more worthless reply on it. Go figure.

And does your opinion really need to be offered up if all it is, is whining about others whining? Which is worse?


You starting this pointless thread is much worse imho.
Everything that was posted after was caused by you starting this thread.
Which if you hadn't started then this post wouldn't even be taking place,Or the next post that will come after and so on...

 

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  posted on 11/19/2011 at 11:01 PM
Damn, what's all the BS against Efus for posting a review? No one is forcing anyone to even do as much as open the thread. I'm not going to pay $75 or more to see this but the review was damn interesting and if someone bought me a ticket I sure as hell would get my ass down there.

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Slash, Izzy, and Duff are long gone, replaced by musicians who can approximate the power of the old combo


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DJ Ashba proved himself a credible substitute for Slash


This guy alludes to not liking the band (because they are too loud......what??). But with quotes like those two above, what G 'n' R fan wouldn't want to see this? And he says "Rose is the last man standing from the classic G N' R lineup" but he doesn't even bother mentioning how Rose's voice sounded. The guy sounds truly confused as to whether he liked the show or not.

[Edited on 11/20/2011 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 11/20/2011 at 08:17 AM
Some things never change. Back in GNR's heyday, I won two tickets to see them perform. I had already seen them open for Aerosmith a couple times so I sold them to a lady I worked with. She had a daughter that really wanted to see them.

They ended up coming out not one hour, or two, not even three, but FOUR hours late! Most of the audience had already left the arena and everyone wanted their money back. Huge cluster....

WTG Axel, keeping the tradition alive! LOL

 

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  posted on 11/20/2011 at 08:31 AM
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Its called a review.
I posted it because people on this board were thinking about spending hard earned money to go see this band. I didn't even give my opinion, other than I got freebies to go, we cut out early, and the reviewer was fairly spot on.

And it is funny, that a worthless thread would draw and even more worthless reply on it. Go figure.

And does your opinion really need to be offered up if all it is, is whining about others whining? Which is worse?

Here's a tissue and a hammer, dry yer eyes, build a bridge and get over it.

Have a nice weekend "music lovers".....


My comment wasn't directed at you at all. Instead, everyone's hate(love) with Axl on this board. If people don't like him, then don't talk about him. But one thing regarding what you just said, this is something like the 3rd or 4th GnR "review" thread in the last month or so, so everyone here knows by now what to expect when they spend their "hard earned money".

 

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  posted on 11/20/2011 at 09:41 AM
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GnR died a miserable death when Izzy Stradlin left. his records are great rock & roll records by the way and Rick Richards from Georgia Satellites plays lead guitar on most, if not all, of them. they're all available on iTunes. If you like high energy ass kicking rock with a bluesy touch Izzy iz your man.


I bought his Izzy Stradlin & The Ju Ju Hounds album on a friend's suggestion and it was the best Stones album that I had heard in a long time.

And I mean that as a huge compliment..

Great record !



[Edited on 11/20/2011 by les_paul_sunburst]

 

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  posted on 11/20/2011 at 10:12 AM
We just love to hate Axl.

Not like he doesn't produce enough subject matter. 10 PM start would be great. A few years ago, it was almost 1 AM here. Two opeing acts that were done by 9 PM. Axl could have just let them play 2 hour sets instead of nothing for hours.

 

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