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  posted on 11/9/2011 at 11:35 PM
some of Dan's best playing can be heard on the version of Don!t Want you no more/ Not my cross to Bear from Gregg's I'm No Angel album. Gregg's solo on Don't Want you No More also stood out. My other Dangerous Dan highlight is his playing on Pegasus. Don't understand why Dickey or The Brothers haven't bothered to include Pegasus in their set lists. Dan's time with Gregg gave us an opportunity to really understand how great a player Dan is. After The Brothers broke up in 81 The Gregg Allman Band included tunes like Stand Back, Don't Keep Me Wondering , Stormy Monday and Trouble No More into their set lists. Gregg's band during those years had some great nights.
 
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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 07:02 AM
Right now,wishing Dan only the best given his serious health issues...

As for the music I find everything about that version of the ABB to be quite poor.In facti can't even bring myself to consider that the ABB....terrible shows...I recall walking out of a few and finally giving up...I did enjoy Dan's work with GA in the mid 80's....but after 1976 there was no ABB until 1989 when Warren got on board....some decent songs from that era,but best performed by the many other lineups of ABB,certainly not the abomination of the train wreck era that was called the ABB in the late 70's.and,as for Gregg's band,he's had myriad musicians over the years and while some shows with Dan were good,other lineups and guitarists have been way more enjoyable...just one opinion....

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 10:57 AM
The Brothers were so disappointing from 79-81 that anything they did after that was a major improvement. The 79' and early 80 shows had some energy but the setlists were weak and Gregg was in bad shape. The appropriate thing to do in 81 was to change direction. Gregg's solo band seemed to breathe some life and energy into him and his music.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 12:57 PM
I think the exception is Enlightened Rogues. Solid, blues rockin' album. My first ABB show was in '79 on that tour. The Arista stuff, I could go along with the negative remarks, but I've always dug ER.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 01:01 PM
I just have to separate 1979 from 1980-82, if on nothing else than the strength of Enlightened Rogues alone. '79 is a different beast. Although I was too young to have seen them live, tapes are pretty strong from 1979, but I could see where that particular year wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I'd buy a crisp archive release from that year in a second! 1980-1982 ABB def isn't my cup of tea.

The youtube videos of the Gregg Allman Band from late 1982 are indeed strong. Stronger to me than what the Allman Brothers had become by the SNL performance of earlier that year:

Queen of Hearts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d67lhEVBsxU

Stand Back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EW1P8hiRU

One Way Out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z8YR0Mqbbk

Don't Keep Me Wondering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu9XyIXnmzw&feature=related

Statesboro Blues (different arrangement sans slide):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4HiWeLGEU



 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 01:14 PM
I like Dan's playing on the two Great Southern albums but especially the live shows from that era. Unfortunately his guitar rig was very similar to Dickey's so it was hard to tell much of the time who was who except when Dickey played some obvious Dickey licks.

I mostly enjoy Dan's playing in the 80's with Gregg Allman Band especially on the album Just Before The Bullets Fly. He's got plenty of tasty licks on "Demons," "Before The Bullets Fly," "Slip Away," "Can't Get Over You" and others.

His solo on "I'm No Angel" is a perfect example of a hummable melodic solo topped off with a lightning strike run at the end. Very tastefully done and impeccably played which he duplicated in concert. The GAB recordings I have with Dan are a pleasure to hear and they give perspective on how his playing changed over time. The two Toler Brothers albums are pretty decent too. I'd prefer if they were a little more gritty but Dan's playing is superb.

Check out his work with the original Great Southern on the Rockpalast DVD. He tears it up. Enlightened Rogues was an excellent album, the other two aren't great but that wasn't Dan's fault. (you didn't approve the Keytar, did you Dan? Please say it wasn't your idea!) I'm one of maybe 2 people who listen to Reach For The Sky and Brothers Of the Road on a semi-regular basis, but I still can't tell which guitar is Dan or which is Dickey except when Dickey plays that one slide lick that pops up over and over from "Out Ta Get Me" to "Crazy Love" to "The Heat Is On" and several others of that era.

Anyway, here's to Dan who had the unenviable task of being the first guitarist to follow Duane Allman in the ABB at a time when disco was popular, Skynyrd was dead and Molly Hatchet was stumbling around with the Southern Rock flag full of holes and hanging low. good job Dan. You got through to some of us and we love you for it.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 03:17 PM
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I just have to separate 1979 from 1980-82, if on nothing else than the strength of Enlightened Rogues alone. '79 is a different beast. Although I was too young to have seen them live, tapes are pretty strong from 1979, but I could see where that particular year wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. I'd buy a crisp archive release from that year in a second! 1980-1982 ABB def isn't my cup of tea.




I would agree w/most of this. ERogues has always sounded to me more similar to the two DB&GS albums that preceded it, than the two ABB ones that followed it -- it was Dickey's & Tom Dowd's baby & that's the sound they got -- then the **** hit the fan w/the label change, Jaimoe's firing, the huge arbitration settlement awarded Dickey, then new producers etc., & a new sound not at all like ERogues -- I still like stuff from both Arista records though -- the only drawback to that lineup was, as someone already posted, how similar Dickey's & Dan's guitar playing sounded -- which is why Danny's 2nd stint w/DB&GS had so many killer shows -- he played a Fender & more than sounded like his own man up there musically

Best wishes to you, Dan!

[Edited on 11/10/2011 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 05:32 PM
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I just have to separate 1979 from 1980-82, if on nothing else than the strength of Enlightened Rogues alone. '79 is a different beast.


Exactly. "Can't take It With You" smokes as far as I"m concerned, and the Legend valley concert I saw in 1979 smoked as well. The Arista stuff, not so much.

 

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 05:36 PM
I like Enlightened Rogues a lot myself. Can't Take It With You, Just Ain't Easy and a great cover of Little Willie John's song Need Your Love So Bad = not too shabby

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  posted on 11/10/2011 at 06:00 PM
Enlightend Rogues is a 100%, completely legitimate Allman Brothers Band album as far as I am concerned. Almost as good as Brothers and Sisters. Very VERY satisfying.

And why not? It It was a Capricorn release and was produced by Tom Dowd.

The 2 albums that followed were basically just 40 minutes or so each of Clive Davis Shlock

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 02:11 AM
I saw two shows during the 79 tour and I really enjoyed both, hell I thought they were smoking shows. I also really like ER. Some very good cuts have been mentioned, and Pegasus is also a nice cut. Still spin ER from time to time and continue to enjoy it. The Arista years, to me, my opinion only don't exist to me. Don't now or ever have owned either of those albums.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 10:03 AM
From my own experience the show I saw in 79 was incredible. Also by all accounts the show from Gainsville from the Brothers Of The Road vhs/dvd is damn good as well. As for live ABB during that time frame, it was definately hit-or-miss and directly related to Gregg's drug use IMO. There were a lot of walk out during that time. Now for the Arista lps ... there are a few gems buried within! Most notably "Never Knew How Much I Needed You."

And as far as the GAB with DDT, I saw them several times in bars in Charlotte and it was always a good show. I always enjoyed the short acoustic set they always did. IMHO Dan's best recorded work is on Just Before The Bullets Fly. I mean is spite of all the coke and alcohol during the eighties I did have a good time (I think???) ... or is it because of!!!
As far as DDT live I'd have to say the 2005(?) DB&GS show in Charlotte. Dan's playing was off the hook. He had actually changed his style from a poor man's Dickey Betts or Larry Carleton (a common knock of DDT's style at least early on) to his own innovative wang bar heavy (but in a good way) kinda Beckish sorta way.

I really wish Dickey would a/could a recorded that incarnation of GS and no I don't mean the R&R HOF concert where 2 members (DDT was one) were sick as a dog. Through out it all Dan Toler has remained a perfect Indiana gentleman. (They may be better than Southern. Lol!) In spite of cards dealt and shady characters associated with, Dan Toler has carried himself with the utmost integrity. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family and hoping the benefit this weekend and the one coming in Nashville with Jack Pearson are complete sucesses.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 11:08 AM
Charlesinator, hadn't heard of Jackie P. doing a benifit in Nashville. Very cool., more info.?
Enlightened Rogues, unlike a lot of folks, is one of my favourite ABB albums. Love the Liz Reed from New Haven they put on the Dreams set. Saw the DBB a few times with DDT and he was always great, the last time was in Toronto in 2005 and there was restaurant near the the hall named Dangerous Dan's. A bunch of us ate there before the show and as we were getting ready to leave, DDT and few of the band & crew came in to eat. We had a good time with the staff about having the real DD in the house.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 11:47 AM
Jack, there will be a show at Third and Lindsley on the 21st (a monday night) that starts at 8pm. There is a suggested donation of $10 admission. Confirmed to play along with Jack Pearson are Jonell Mosser, Lee Roy Parnell, Delbert McClinton, Jimmy Hall, and Reese Wynens. Jack will be playing electric on this event, which he doesn't do much these days because of tinnitus. I'm guessing that Paul Ossala will be on bass (Paul was the original bassist for Saturday Night Live) and not sure who'll be on the skins. Jack has promised me that there will be some other guests, but he ain't sayin' who.

 

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Jack, there will be a show at Third and Lindsley on the 21st (a monday night) that starts at 8pm. There is a suggested donation of $10 admission. Confirmed to play along with Jack Pearson are Jonell Mosser, Lee Roy Parnell, Delbert McClinton, Jimmy Hall, and Reese Wynens. Jack will be playing electric on this event, which he doesn't do much these days because of tinnitus. I'm guessing that Paul Ossala will be on bass (Paul was the original bassist for Saturday Night Live) and not sure who'll be on the skins. Jack has promised me that there will be some other guests, but he ain't sayin' who.


Wow! Great artists - crazy about Delbert McClinton.

 

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  posted on 11/11/2011 at 03:17 PM
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Jack, there will be a show at Third and Lindsley on the 21st (a monday night) that starts at 8pm. There is a suggested donation of $10 admission. Confirmed to play along with Jack Pearson are Jonell Mosser, Lee Roy Parnell, Delbert McClinton, Jimmy Hall, and Reese Wynens. Jack will be playing electric on this event, which he doesn't do much these days because of tinnitus. I'm guessing that Paul Ossala will be on bass (Paul was the original bassist for Saturday Night Live) and not sure who'll be on the skins. Jack has promised me that there will be some other guests, but he ain't sayin' who.


Sounds like a show I would love to attend but might if it was Dec21st. not Nov. 21st !
Somebody tape this one please ! I'll gladly buy you and a guest tics if you will & can send me a copy !

 

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