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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 06:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7jzD4HX6QY of course charlie daniels has to get his dig in on OWS [a$$hole]

 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 06:45 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7jzD4HX6QY of course charlie daniels has to get his dig in on OWS [a$$hole]


Man, I used to be such a CDB fan.

Now I can't stand the man.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 10:09 PM
I actually enjoyed hearing Charlie Daniels speak in this. I agreed when he said that when you're a musician, you should never refuse to sign autographs or meet your fans. What he said about OWS was right as well. You're not always gonna get paid alot of money.
 

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  posted on 11/5/2011 at 11:07 PM
Those first few CDB records were pretty good.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 01:06 AM
I did enjoy the first 2 or 3 albums up to and including Nightrider, also really enjoyed the first Volunteer Jam with the MTB, Dickey played, Dru played a little....but fast forward to the exit of Tommy Crain and to me the band was never the same. I'm now in the Rich mindset...went from really enjoying CDB to the point I now don't give a crap about Charlie Daniels or his music. Or the horse he rode in on. Just my .02 thoughts

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 01:59 AM
Well...what a treat and joy THAT was to watch! I was almost spellbound during most of it.

And Bonnie Bramlett!! What a sweetheart she is! Thanks for posting this.

But...can someone explain to me about the "OWS" thing regarding Charlie Daniels?
I dont know what OWS stands for, or what the issue is that makes people say they despise him because of it.

???????????


[Edited on 11/6/2011 by D28guy]

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 04:24 AM
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But...can someone explain to me about the "OWS" thing?
I dont know what OWS stands for, or what the issue is.

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Same here.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 12:01 PM
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But...can someone explain to me about the "OWS" thing regarding Charlie Daniels?
I dont know what OWS stands for, or what the issue is that makes people say they despise him because of it.



OWS = occupy wall street. other than that brief little blurb from charlie i enjoyed listening to his stories. you may not agree with his politics (i don't) but he does have a right to believe what he wants. i think (as he stated about jimmy carter) that he's basically a good man.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 12:24 PM
Ok...I searched around and I think it might be this...

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The OWS movement is being compared to the Civil Rights movement, the "answer to the Tea Party", etc.

The Media and political pundits have tried to characterize those persons who have come together in a spontaneous and genuine expression of their feeling of betrayal and unfairness by "a system" that seems to be unresponsive and accountable to the problems millions of Americans are experiencing in their daily lives.

OWS is this decade's 21st Century mass mobilized reincarnation of the actor Peter Finch's role, as Howard Beale, in the 1976 movie "Network". As TV anchor in the film's UBS Evening News, he yelled from a window ""I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" OWS is telling us they are mad as hell at the inequities in our society and they're not going to take it anymore.

Bill Moyers in a recent speech honoring the life's work of Ralph Nader probably described the genesis of OWS better than most of what I have heard or read


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/clarence-b-jones/occupy-wall-street-civil-rig hts_b_1077884.html

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 01:46 PM
The show had its moments. [I wonder if dickey betts was approached to be on this] charlie daniels dismissed the OWS movement, as a bunch of lazy people who dont want to "pay their dues" or work at all!. which tells me he knows nothing, except what he hears from fox news, rush limpdick, etc. as far as his music goes, Ive seen him in the 70s and it was good!. saw him in 1989 and he put me to sleep.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 02:23 PM
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But...can someone explain to me about the "OWS" thing?
I dont know what OWS stands for, or what the issue is.

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Same here.


Liberal whining, basically. The notion that all musicians should think like they do.

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charlie daniels dismissed the OWS movement, as a bunch of lazy people who dont want to "pay their dues" or work at all!. which tells me he knows nothing, except what he hears from fox news, rush limpdick, etc. as far as his music goes,


Well, he shouldn't have said a blanket statement like that. There actually a few in the OWS crowd that do understand hard work and seek to avoid reliance on government and who want a fair deal from the Wall Street wacks so they can do their best in a fair environment. But, all that is for the Whipping Post.

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But...can someone explain to me about the "OWS" thing regarding Charlie Daniels?
I dont know what OWS stands for, or what the issue is that makes people say they despise him because of it.

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OWS = occupy wall street. other than that brief little blurb from charlie i enjoyed listening to his stories. you may not agree with his politics (i don't) but he does have a right to believe what he wants. i think (as he stated about jimmy carter) that he's basically a good man.




Charlie is a good guy in person and is better with the fans by far than a lot of - cough- higher profile bands out there. Easily. (And that does not include Derek or Warren or Oteil who are all princes when it comes to the fans).

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I did enjoy the first 2 or 3 albums up to and including Nightrider, also really enjoyed the first Volunteer Jam with the MTB, Dickey played, Dru played a little....but fast forward to the exit of Tommy Crain and to me the band was never the same.


Actualy, I would go back to the Way Down Yonder album with "Whiskey" on it, which is a hell of a party song. But those albums in a row - Fire On The Mountain, Nightrider, Saddle Tramp, High Lonesome, Midnight Wind, the Volunterr Jams albums and Million Mile Reflections, were wonderful. And I would put the live version of "No Place To Go" up against any southern rock song ever recorded, and that includes the ABB. Smoking. And few if anyone has yet to write story songs the way Charlie used to. I miss those CDB-Marshall Tucker double bill live shows back when Toy and Tommy were alive and kicking in the 1970s. They killed it and played with fire.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 02:54 PM
charlie daniels calling the ABB "basically a blues band" shows him to be a short- sighted simpleton as well.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 03:10 PM
.....until you listen to old Elmore James and BB King albums and then you realize where Duane got his riffs.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 03:27 PM
Ok...now that I know what the OWS issue is, I will make a brief comment...

Why anyone would decide to "despise" or "hate, with every fiber of my being" a musician because they have a different conviction than they do, regarding some other non musical issue, is a failure of epic proportion.

For example...

I am a christian man. I work with some homosexuals. Now, I believe what the scriptures say concerning that issue. But I dont treat those people any differently than any one else, and I certainly do not HATE them. What good comes from that?

NO good comes from that.

If I hate someome, they arent going to listen to me. If I show love towards them, then there is a chance.

[Edited on 11/6/2011 by D28guy]

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 05:20 PM
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.....until you listen to old Elmore James and BB King albums and then you realize where Duane got his riffs.
It still doesnt make them a "blues band"

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 05:21 PM
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Ok...now that I know what the OWS issue is, I will make a brief comment...

Why anyone would decide to "despise" or "hate, with every fiber of my being" a musician because they have a different conviction than they do, regarding some other non musical issue, is a failure of epic proportion.

For example...

I am a christian man. I work with some homosexuals. Now, I believe what the scriptures say concerning that issue. But I dont treat those people any differently than any one else, and I certainly do not HATE them. What good comes from that?

NO good comes from that.

If I hate someome, they arent going to listen to me. If I show love towards them, then there is a chance.

[Edited on 11/6/2011 by D28guy]
I dont hate the guy, I just dont listen to him anymore.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 05:22 PM
Nice program. Ed King seems like a really down to earth dude. For my money, he was the best guitar player Skynyrd ever had.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 06:40 PM
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Ok...now that I know what the OWS issue is, I will make a brief comment...

Why anyone would decide to "despise" or "hate, with every fiber of my being" a musician because they have a different conviction than they do, regarding some other non musical issue, is a failure of epic proportion.

For example...

I am a christian man. I work with some homosexuals. Now, I believe what the scriptures say concerning that issue. But I dont treat those people any differently than any one else, and I certainly do not HATE them. What good comes from that?

NO good comes from that.

If I hate someome, they arent going to listen to me. If I show love towards them, then there is a chance.

[Edited on 11/6/2011 by D28guy]


I don't hate him either, if your post was directed at me. I've got more important people to hate....*laugh* but like pops, I was a HUGE CDB fan in the '70s and the records that DFC mentioned frankly were better than most ABB albums during that period and were as good as the best of LS and the MTB, which were the best Southern Bands in the mid to late '70s, IMHO.

But just as John said, once Tommy Crain left, the CDB fell into being a formulaic band - there was at least one fiddle tune on every record and they just got stupider and stupider, playing up the Redneck dumbass stereotype in order to sell a few records. The music got stale and much less passionate and there were no more "Saddle Tramp" type epics, which I think is their peak artistic statement, although High Lonesome is my personal favorite CDB record, which Derek mentioned a few days ago. Their level of consistency was remarkable during that 5 or 6 record run, and I think a lot of credit is due to Paul Hornsby, who produce all the best CDB records and all the best MTB records as well, along with countless other Capricorn Classics. He has never gotten his due and is as responsible for the Southern Rock Sound as much as anyone, and I told his so when I met him at the JFD in '05 when the Capricorn Rhythm Section played. Meeting him was a real highlight, and so was getting to hear him play.

Once Charlie started pumping out records like product I lost interest, and then when he became a Born-Again Christian he really lost me, because it seemed like he was embarrassed by his past, because he refused to play tunes like Long Haired Country Boy, or if he did, he changed the lyrics so that he wouldn't sing "I get stoned in the morning/I get drunk in the afternoon" and maybe that's why he doesn't play Saddle Tramp anymore either - he doesn't want to sing "Well you pass around the pipe and you all get high." It took a a lot of the edge off a lot of his music. I'm sure he gained a lot of mainstream country fans that weren't comfortable with his "Outlaw Country" image, but he also lost a lot of fans like me, I'm sure.

I also found his jingoistic "Let's bomb Iraq back to the Stone Age" attitude and his hatred of anyone that didn't agree with his point of view to be quite off-putting as well. He certainly has a perfect right to express his opinion and I have a perfect right to disagree and not support his current musical direction. More power to him.

BTW, I just picked up his "Road Dogs" CD at a CD show today for a buck.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 06:47 PM
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Nice program. Ed King seems like a really down to earth dude. For my money, he was the best guitar player Skynyrd ever had.



Great guy, too. He REALLY got screwed by Skynyrd, and specifically Rossington, who I can say is a complete scumbag - when I met both back when The Last Rebel came out Ed was nice but seemed crazy, while Rossington was so drunk, or whatever he was on at 5 in the afternoon he couldn't even talk. Nice to way to show up for an in-store for your fans to promote your new record.....Johnny Van Zant was a real nice and a gentleman.

Rossington fired Ed King from Lynyrd Skynyrd while he was waiting for a liver transplant.

Great guy. Real classy move.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2011 at 07:05 PM
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Well...what a treat and joy THAT was to watch


I agree!! Some great stories!

Thanks for the link!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2011 at 01:21 AM
Charlie Daniels has never had a problem giving credit to the Allman Brothers. In fact, his Midnight Wind record is dedicated to Duane and Berry. This is what Charlie wrote on that album,

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"Dedication to Duane Allman and Berry Oakley:

Lest We Forget
Smoke and fire,
thunder and lightning,
nipped in the bud of full bloom,
leaving memories and magic ringing across the years"

signed Charlie Daniels 1977



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he changed the lyrics so that he wouldn't sing "I get stoned in the morning/I get drunk in the afternoon" and maybe that's why he doesn't play Saddle Tramp anymore either - he doesn't want to sing "Well you pass around the pipe and you all get high."


Charlie has been playing "Saddle Tramp" again live in his concerts for a few years now. In fact, it is on his 2007 "Live In Iraq" album. I only wish there were left-leaning bands that took the time to visit and play for our troops even half of the times that Charlie has done it. It's sad, really.

As far as Charlie's so-called religious side, while he does go overboard with it at times in my opinion, I know for a fact that he does an incredibly large number of benefit concerts. And, as for his 'Christian Rock' music, he came up with as good a song in that genre as I have heard with the song "New Pharisees" from his Steel Witness album where he proves he is not afraid to take some big shots at Christians who front the BS;

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Charlie Daniels Band - New Pharisees

They go walking into church every Sunday morning
They're the self-appointed sin patrol
Well they whisper and they gossip behind the back
Of anybody that they can't control

See that girl in the choir, she's got evil desires
She must be drinking from the devil's well
She's a downright disgrace with that paint on her face
She looks just like a Jezebel

And they're running around putting everybody down
What are you trying to do?
You need to pick up the Book and take another look
Cause brother I've got the news for you,

You know Jesus was sent with a new covenant,
and he even died for you
New pharisees, like a fatal disease
Always flapping your jaws trying to live by the law

You see that boy over there with that long shaggy hair
Ought to be ashamed of hisself,
He wearing hip-hop clothes, got a ring in his nose
Don't he know he going straight to hell

And then yesterday morning me and sister Johnson
Were talkin' on the party line
She said that Deacon Brown was having dinner downtown
Somebody seen him with a glass of wine

And you act so righteous and you look so pious
You always pay your tithe
But there's a rock in your heart and a fire on your tongue
And there ain't no love in your eyes,

Bad news is begotten and the devil is smiling,
you gossip and you criticize
New pharisees like a fatal disease
Always flapping your jaws trying to live by the law
Well you can't get by the law so quit flapping your jaws
New pharisees, yes, you're a lot like me







DH




[Edited on 11/7/2011 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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  posted on 11/7/2011 at 08:20 AM
Well, I just wish that I had time to listen to all of this.

"Southern Rock" - just tell me that somewhere in this discussion that somebody pointed out that rock and roll IS AND WAS southern!

It didn't start with the Allman Brothers, Skynnyrd or Charlie Daniels - it started in the Mississippi cottonfields! Arthur "Big Boy" Cruddup - Ike Turner ("Rocket 88") - Howlin' Wolf - all those guys were rockin and rollin before Elvis, Jerry Lee, Johnny Cash or even Chuck Berry and Little Richard made the form a household name!

 

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  posted on 11/7/2011 at 10:52 AM
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Well, I just wish that I had time to listen to all of this.

"Southern Rock" - just tell me that somewhere in this discussion that somebody pointed out that rock and roll IS AND WAS southern!

It didn't start with the Allman Brothers, Skynnyrd or Charlie Daniels - it started in the Mississippi cottonfields! Arthur "Big Boy" Cruddup - Ike Turner ("Rocket 88") - Howlin' Wolf - all those guys were rockin and rollin before Elvis, Jerry Lee, Johnny Cash or even Chuck Berry and Little Richard made the form a household name!
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  posted on 11/7/2011 at 02:57 PM
I agree that the first true rock and roll record was Ike's "Rocket 88." I do think that it can also be said that Robert Johnson's arrangements were the proto-DNA of rock and roll. And if you listen to some Charlie Poole, you can hear it in that as well. And Jimmy Rogers. And Bill Monroe's kickoff to "Muleskinner Blues" and so on.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 06:51 PM
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charlie daniels calling the ABB "basically a blues band" shows him to be a short- sighted simpleton as well.





Here is Derek Trucks from the recent article about his fave ABB songs;

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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/derek-trucks-favorite-allman-brothers- band-songs/

Derek Trucks has named his favorite Allman Brothers Band songs in loving memory of lead guitarist Duane Allman, who died at age 24 in a motorcycle accident 40 years ago last month. In an interview with Rolling Stone, Trucks is clear about his passion for the Allman Brothers Band (a group he’s been a part of since 1999) and his utmost respect for Duane.
“Jumping into these records reminds me of the way I felt when I heard them as a kid,” says Trucks. “I also hear them differently now. I respect the nuances and subtleties more. And the seed is still there. The fact that these guys are in their early 60s now, playing three hours a night and there’s blood on the snare drum — you gotta respect that.”

Trucks’ insight into these tracks are unique because he’s out there, on the road, playing them. When talking about ‘In Memory of Elizabeth Reed,’ he mentions that though he loves the “beautiful instrumental” studio version, this is one of the tunes he finds most fun to play live.

He calls ‘Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ a “ funky track from a blues band that did so much more. It’s Chicago blues with acid, some grits and cornbread,” and he favors the live version of ‘Whipping Post,’ claiming it’s “unhinged.”

At the end of each Allman Brothers Band live performance, ‘Little Martha’ is played over the PA as a tribute to Duane. “That’s Duane’s tune, one of the few he wrote. It’s a beautiful way to go out,” says Trucks.

Derek Trucks Selects These Allman Brothers Favorites:
1. ‘Statesboro Blues’ from ‘Live At The Fillmore East’ (1971)
2. ‘In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed’ from ‘Idlewild South’ (1970)
3. ‘Stand Back’ from ‘Eat A Peach’ (1972)
4. ‘Dreams’ from ‘The Allman Brothers Band’ (1969)
5. ‘Blue Sky’from ‘Eat A Peach’ (1972)
6. ‘Don’t Keep Me Wonderin” from ‘Idlewild South’ (1970)
7. ‘Jessica’ from ‘Brothers And Sisters’ (1973)
8. ‘Please Call Home’ from ‘Idlewild South’ (1970)
9. ‘Whipping Post’ from ‘The Allman Brothers Band’ (1969)
10. ‘Ain’t Wastin’ Time No More’ from ‘Eat A Peach’ (1972)
11. ‘Little Martha’ from ‘Eat A Peach’ (1972)



He calls ‘Don’t Keep Me Wonderin’ a “ funky track from a blues band that did so much more.”

Is Derek Trucks a short- sighted simpleton as well??

 

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