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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 12:54 PM

Oh my goodness, this is something:

http://www.jazzoasis.com/methenyonkennyg.htm

 
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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 01:00 PM
great read and I thought it was just me that thought Kenny G sucked ass

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 01:06 PM

LOL.. like he says near the end, little kids already know it sucks.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 01:35 PM
Wow Pat ! Tell us how you really feel .
 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 01:45 PM
Oh My God Pat........I'm a little shocked that he was so ascerbic, but then again, if more people had his balls of steel, maybe more REAL jazz musicians would be making a living.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 02:37 PM
I've read this before, and everytime I see it....I read it again....LOVE him.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 03:16 PM
The back-story on this is that it was way back in 2000, before it was obvious (at least to Metheny) that the internet could cause something to "go viral". Pat was answering a fan question on his web site and, as you can tell, just gets more and more wound up as he warms to his subject. Being the true gentleman that he is, he later said he was surprised that it got so widely spread and that he never intended to trash the pitiful G so publicly. But he also said he stands by it!

The great Richard Thompson even wrote a song about it!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgZQGPZOpk

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 03:27 PM

Thanks for the background info...

 

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  posted on 10/13/2011 at 05:44 PM
Pat is just giving his honest opinion. I think kenny g sucks too. but lots of yuppie kids were concieved to his muzak, and root canals performed with his lame-azz horn noodleing in the background. lots of elevators need some kenny g too. ive heard Wynton Marsalis say similar things about kenny gorelick. no love for the g-man I guess.





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  posted on 10/13/2011 at 05:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_if7iw40UCQ&feature=related



(and loving the Richard Thompson song )

[Edited on 10/13/2011 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 10/13/2011 at 06:03 PM
I truly respect Pat Metheny as a musician. I ve followed his music since the 70's and have met him a few times,The comments on Kenny G. although probably accurate to his thoughts and opinion is a lil harsh. Jazz music and musicians dont have the public platform to be truly noticed.. Go to N awlins and listen to some local musicians that are awesome youll never hear or be exposed to. I go to a local club here in ft lauderdale that has great jazz 7 nights a week. yhey dont get the exposure and they are tres talented, Jazz is not public media any more, its all dentist and elevator music......but all fairness to kenny g. years back i saw him and he was fine . understanding why i went.. music today is produced for effect and dollars... You really dont see any UGLY woman girls in the limelight its all production to the masses...

 

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  posted on 10/13/2011 at 06:14 PM
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I truly respect Pat Metheny as a musician. I ve followed his music since the 70's and have met him a few times,The comments on Kenny G. although probably accurate to his thoughts and opinion is a lil harsh. Jazz music and musicians dont have the public platform to be truly noticed.. Go to N awlins and listen to some local musicians that are awesome youll never hear or be exposed to. I go to a local club here in ft lauderdale that has great jazz 7 nights a week. yhey dont get the exposure and they are tres talented, Jazz is not public media any more, its all dentist and elevator music......but all fairness to kenny g. years back i saw him and he was fine . understanding why i went.. music today is produced for effect and dollars... You really dont see any UGLY woman girls in the limelight its all production to the masses...



You make some great points.........

 

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  posted on 10/13/2011 at 08:35 PM
I agree with Richard Thompson!

Seriously, though, Pat is spot-on in his observations. The stuff that Kenny G(and the rest of the 'smooth jazz' crowd) puts out is as far removed from real jazz as if you were to ask to hear some real blues and they put on Bad To The Bone.

Metheny's assesment of KG's abilities is accurate. Jazz has set a high standard for musicianship, and compared to the players and composers who are the greats of jazz, KG is mediocre at best. You'll note however, that Metheny is fairly low-key until he gets to the subject of KG crapping all over Satchmo. Here I agree with him, this is a form of musicall necrophilia that is a bit strange at best. When someone like Natalie Cole or Hank Williams Jr. does a duet with their deceased parent, I can accept that in the spirit of tribute/family connection that is behind it. But KG inserting himself into a Louis Armstrong tune(even, as Pat points out, not his greatest), is presumptous. And as Richard Thompson put it he "put his head above the parapet" and deserves every shot taken at him.

Let's put it in this context. Suppose some spandex-clad metal hero guitarist decided to overdub his metalloid crud over one of Duane's old tracks, say, Going Down Slow? That's what Kenny G has done.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 09:27 AM
When I read subject line I thought, oh my . That can't be good.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.......

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 09:40 AM
That's not very a very $cientological way of thinking Mr. Metheney. Please report to the Org in Hollywood for some testing to clear the Thetans you are unleashing. Xenu & L.Ron are getting angry.

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 10:48 AM
I never was a big Pat Metheny fan (despite my cousin's first husband being his live sound engineer from '77-83 or thereabouts), but after reading this, my respect for him just shot up a few rungs on the ladder.

It appears that he has gone far beyond my own long-time estimation of Kenny G being a "tool".

Anyone else notice a strong facial resemblance between Pat Metheny & Tom Cruise?

 
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That's not very a very $cientological way of thinking Mr. Metheney. Please report to the Org in Hollywood for some testing to clear the Thetans you are unleashing. Xenu & L.Ron are getting angry.

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[Edited on 10/14/2011 by downsouth]


Is PM a $cientologist?? Aw, hell...

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 06:09 PM
Pat Metheny could belong to any crazy sect you name, including Southern Baptist, and his observations on Kenny G are still valid. Metheny is an acknowledged master at his craft, and well-versed in jazz on many levels. He offered first and foremost a factual critique and assesment of Kenny G's playing ability and style, and noted the standards to which he should be compared if he is to be considered jazz.

Yeah, I have a streak of jazz snobbery in me, but hear me out. Can you name a genre of music that places such a high value on musicianship, sponteneity, and creative interplay that compares to jazz? That's why I like to tweak real jazz snobs, pointing out that the ABB, by a many of their standards, is jazz!

 

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Can you name a genre of music that places such a high value on musicianship, sponteneity, and creative interplay that compares to jazz?


Classical Indian music.

 
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  posted on 10/15/2011 at 11:03 AM
Good call! I had been (foolishly) focusing on Western music, especially popular. But the discipline in Indian classical is more focused than in jazz; there's a lot of formal structure there. Jazz inherently is more open to improvization into the great unknown, as it were.

If you look at the music, the Allman Brothers Band is jazz! Blues at the core, improv as intense as Coltrane, they even do fusion! And most of all, the ABB can swing as hard as Count Basie. They've got deep roots in American music which, like Jaimoe says, it's all jazz!

 

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  posted on 10/15/2011 at 01:33 PM
While Metheny comes off a bit harsh, the essence of his critique is true. The likes of Kenny G are nothing less than traitors to the true spirit and essence of jazz.

Jazz was never intended to be "smooth" or "safe." The very idea that a whole genre has sprung up that attempts to market innocuous easy listening music as having some kind of relationship to John Coltrane's soul-baring spiritual revelations is an abomination at best.

As a side tangent, and to stir up controversy, this is why I prefer Miles Davis' Bitches Brew-era music to the "cool" jazz of Kind of Blue. KOB is good, but a little too accessible and not as challenging as the kind of jazz I tend to prefer.

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As a side tangent, and to stir up controversy, this is why I prefer Miles Davis' Bitches Brew-era music to the "cool" jazz of Kind of Blue. KOB is good, but a little too accessible and not as challenging as the kind of jazz I tend to prefer.

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I guess I can see your point...I happen to think that KOB is perhaps one of the more influential albums ever made. Bitches Brew is a little too...I can't come up with the right word right now. Just not my cup of tea. But then again, I dig the stuff that Ornette Coleman did, which was pretty out there.

FWIW, I think Pat's comments about Kenny G are absolutely hysterical.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2011 at 06:01 PM
These two were made for each other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwUpiRprN4

 

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  posted on 10/15/2011 at 06:01 PM
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lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, f*cked up playing


I take this to be an indication that Metheny doesn't hold Kenny G's playing in very high regard. Let it out Pat!

Great article. Left me wondering, what the heck is KG's appeal, and how did he become such a superstar? Possibly due to decent jazz players not throwing pearls before swine, and KG happily feeding his slop to the pigs.

Much as KG is a musical abomination, he is really more of a symptom than a cause, when it comes to the cancer of modern cultural banality. The fact that such a creature could become so wildly successful in music is more of a damnation upon the consumers of such garbage, who encourage this kind of unfortunate prostitution to flourish.

 

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I take this to be an indication that Metheny doesn't hold Kenny G's playing in very high regard. Let it out Pat!

Great article. Left me wondering, what the heck is KG's appeal, and how did he become such a superstar? Possibly due to decent jazz players not throwing pearls before swine, and KG happily feeding his slop to the pigs.

Much as KG is a musical abomination, he is really more of a symptom than a cause, when it comes to the cancer of modern cultural banality. The fact that such a creature could become so wildly successful in music is more of a damnation upon the consumers of such garbage, who encourage this kind of unfortunate prostitution to flourish.


There has always been and will always be an audience for stuff that takes no chances. Easy Listening is what you would have called KG in the past; just think of all the bland stuff that has been put out over the years. Nothing too hot or cold or spicy, no texture that would disrupt the smooth consistency- kind of like baby food for the ears. Kenny G is easy listening for today, the 101 Strings of the saxophone.

 

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