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  posted on 10/10/2011 at 02:28 PM
The true story of what ails the USPS:

Listen to Ed. He got it right.

http://www.apwu.org/news/webart/2011/11-110-guffey-ed_show-110928.htm

[Edited on 10/10/2011 by Drummy]

 

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  posted on 10/10/2011 at 05:19 PM
Ed's too partisan to have it completely right.

If what happened in 2006 was so terribly wrong, why didn't those paragons of wisdom and virtue - the Democrats - fix it when they had complete control of the Executive and the Legislature in '08 & '09?

While it might sound like a great talking point to decry the need for the Post Office to actually fund their retirement system, let's at least give some credit to the concept. Contrast that against so many of our unfunded entitlement programs who exclude themselves from sane fiscal policy. To actually fund the retirement promises of any govt department or business should be expected and required.

But the bigger issues for the post office is simply the loss of business, lack of alternative profit options, alternative means of communication, and union restrictions. They've conceded much of the profitable package business to UPS and FedEx, and they will never get that back (contrast that against the German Post Office, who also owns DHL - the world's largest international package service). They're fighting in a phone booth, with few good options.

If you really want a good article on the Postal Services woes, instead of a partisan rant, read the following...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_23/b4231060885070.htm

 

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  posted on 10/10/2011 at 09:20 PM
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While it might sound like a great talking point to decry the need for the Post Office to actually fund their retirement system, let's at least give some credit to the concept. Contrast that against so many of our unfunded entitlement programs who exclude themselves from sane fiscal policy. To actually fund the retirement promises of any govt department or business should be expected and required.


That's a great point, and to answer Ed on why Wal Mart is not forced to pre-fund it's retirement plan, I would bet their retirement plan is not stuffed full of IOU's.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2011 at 08:04 AM
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Ed's too partisan to have it completely right.

If what happened in 2006 was so terribly wrong, why didn't those paragons of wisdom and virtue - the Democrats - fix it when they had complete control of the Executive and the Legislature in '08 & '09?

While it might sound like a great talking point to decry the need for the Post Office to actually fund their retirement system, let's at least give some credit to the concept. Contrast that against so many of our unfunded entitlement programs who exclude themselves from sane fiscal policy. To actually fund the retirement promises of any govt department or business should be expected and required.

But the bigger issues for the post office is simply the loss of business, lack of alternative profit options, alternative means of communication, and union restrictions. They've conceded much of the profitable package business to UPS and FedEx, and they will never get that back (contrast that against the German Post Office, who also owns DHL - the world's largest international package service). They're fighting in a phone booth, with few good options.

If you really want a good article on the Postal Services woes, instead of a partisan rant, read the following...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_23/b4231060885070.htm





Sorry but that is not true. What Ed said is not a partisan rant as you call it. It is the honest truth. I have been a Postal employee for 28 years and an active Union member the whole 28. If you actually listened to what he and President Guffey were saying you got that it was a lame duck congress and they passed this unfair law as they were handing off control to a more right Congress. I totally understand prepaying to make sure benefits are there for future retirees, but not 75 years in a 10 year period. That is like starving your family to pay off a 30 year mortgage in 5 years. Just not good sense. Also, it was GW Bush that was pushing through the bill and he wasn't all that bright.

The cold hard facts are these: The Postal Service has over paid almost $7 billion to one retirement plan and between 50 and 75 BILLION to the other. Congress does not want to let the Postal Service have their money back as it makes the defecit look bigger. The Postal Service is not on the Presidents Budget that he turns in at the beginning of every year, as they are not funded by the federal government. They make their money by selling stamps and do not depend on tax payer dollars. However, at the end of the fiscal year, the USPS does fall under the universal budget for all federal agencies. So there monies are counted as part of the general fund. Right now Congress is fighting to keep the USPS from regaining their overpayments as to make themselves look better on paper, as they say.

2006, the year this bill went into affect, was the highest volume year the Postal Service EVER had. So it is obvious that the problems with the Postal Service have nothing to do with mail volume dropping off or people using email. The USPS does offer large bulk mailers to get huge discounts much to the dismay of the APWU, who have fought for years to keep these discounts fair and competitive. The problem is, after the Postal Service has lured these mailers in with big discounts, as soon as the economy takes a downturn, the first thing these mailers do is stop mailing to save money. They have no loyalty to the USPS, they only look at their bottom line. That is when mail volume dropped, not because people are using other media to communicate.

All the USPS wants is to do is use the monies they have pre-paid to pay the pre-funding mandate.
It's kinda like the bank saying, okay you have paid off your mortgage, but we want you to keep making that mortgage payment anyway.

Ed is very right. His approach may seems somewhat enthusiastic, but he has the facts down.

You are also incorrect in stating that we have conceded parcel delivery to other delivery companies. While the market supports these other delivery options, we still deliver the majority of local packages. Every day a UPS truck pulls up to our USPS dock and drops off hundreds of parcels for the USPS to deliver. Fedex does the same thing. They take the parcels in and charge you for them, and the USPS delivers them. Same way with companies like Mailboxes Etc. You don't think they actually deliver the mail you give them do you? The USPS handles most of these also. And, DHL went out of business here locally.

Without the pre-payment mandate the USPS would be 1.5 billion dollars to the good. Plain and simple. If Congress would pass HR 1351, the USPS would be out from under the unfair burden and back into viability.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2011 at 08:37 AM
Hey Drummy - that's an excellent, informed response.

I'm not going to even try to debate the issue further, and I'll just concede that someone in your position knows vastly more about it than I ever will. I dislike Ed's rabid need for partisan spin to spice up the issue, that's all. And frankly, I'd feel the same if it were spun against the other party. Party alignment is killing us in terms of finding effective solutions, while at the same time adding absolutely no benefit to anything happening in national politics.

There's another dimension to the bulk mailers that I can add to. Being in the printing industry all my life, I've called on folks who produce those pieces, and understand some of their business. It's rather expensive - more than people would realize - to print catalogs and promotional pieces. The downturn in volume from them is simply that their customers see less return from dollars spent via print than they did in the past. The cost of printing has risen, while the response has lessened, and at the same time internet marketing grows and improves in quality. Its still a viable method of getting a product in front of potential buyers eyes, just not a good as it once was.

As long as the Postal Service can find a way to fund their retirement liabilities without creating some future need for a bailout of retirees, I'm more than happy to see and support activities to that end. I hope that can be achieved.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2011 at 10:09 AM
"I'm not going to even try to debate the issue further, and I'll just concede that someone in your position knows vastly more about it than I ever will. I dislike Ed's rabid need for partisan spin to spice up the issue, that's all. And frankly, I'd feel the same if it were spun against the other party. Party alignment is killing us in terms of finding effective solutions, while at the same time adding absolutely no benefit to anything happening in national politics."

Could not agree more.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2011 at 02:16 PM
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Party alignment is killing us in terms of finding effective solutions, while at the same time adding absolutely no benefit to anything happening in national politics.


This feeling is overwhelming for me. - People feel so strongly supportive of "their" party that most of the time it appears that the actual issues don't even matter it's just always A vs. B. Feeling no dedication to either party myself, I get really sad and frustrated watching it happen.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2011 at 09:40 PM
Were it not for universal delivery, this reporter might no longer be with us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2doG1XmR4w&feature=related

 
 


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