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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 06:26 AM
PLEASE ... No more political events. Just stick to the music.


Now, I wouldn't mind an ABB/Dead summer tour

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 06:42 AM
Musicians are citizens too, and have an absolute right to contribute to candidates. Whether that is cash earned from regular shows, or an in-kind benefit, it is their perogative.

Why would any sane ABB fan advocate for less performances? Oh, nevermind!

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 06:47 AM
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Musicians are citizens too, and have an absolute right to contribute to candidates. Whether that is cash earned from regular shows, or an in-kind benefit, it is their perogative.

Why would any sane ABB fan advocate for less performances? Oh, nevermind!


You are correct,they certainly have that right,although my personal tastes would lead me to hope politics,of all stripes,are kept far from music....

Music is holy whereas politics,to quote Dylan,is the devil....

And the devil of politics best belongs(along with what this thread can do) on the WP

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 07:29 AM
I didn't say they couldn't contribute, but do it on your own time, not mine. I am pretty sure Oteil isn't on the Obama band wagon, why should he be subjected to the politics of other members of the band?

Plus, you are bound to turn off some members of your base. I would think a band that has a waning fan base wouldn't want to turn anybody off.

One show isn't going to make or break a full year of possible tour dates.

Like I said, a summer tour with the Dead would be fantastic. Not less shows, more. Of course, all they will do is tour the east coast and leave the midwest and west coast wishing they weren't forgotten.

I say they send Obama all the campaign contributions they want, just don't subject me to it.

The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 07:31 AM
The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.

so go to another for the same reason

 
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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 07:51 AM
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The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.

so go to another for the same reason


True, however, your $ would be going to a cause that you don't believe in

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 07:55 AM
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The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.

so go to another for the same reason


Right. Or, here's an idea, don't go. Did "they" force you last time?

Let your principles guide your actions, not just your rants.


 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 08:38 AM
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your $ would be going to a cause that you don't believe in

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So this is a "rant" if you don't agree with the politics that they are pushing? Got it.

Very odd that this same subject was discussed on a dead site and the overall sentiment was not to do it again.

I would really like to know how Oteil feels about it. That would be very interesting indeed.

I did separate the politics from the music, that is how I justified going. I just wish the band could do the same. Separate their politics from the music. Butch can blog about it all he wants and send the progressives all the cash he wants, just don't drag us down into it again this year.




[Edited on 10/7/2011 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 08:51 AM
I understand why people like to keep music and politics separate because politics gets divisive, but aside from the 'citizens can do what they want' issue, music is a form of art and art that doesn't reflect the larger world becomes generic. There are a lot of ways for art to do that and politics is not the only one (and neither is partisan politics the only type of politics), but it's one of them. Your choice is to support the band and what they're doing or not, or ignore it. It should probably be noted in passing that the ABB didn't enter politics for the first time in 2008.

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Music is holy whereas politics,to quote Dylan,is the devil....

Yeah, the guy who wrote The Times They Are a-Changin' and The Hurricane would never have gotten involved in politics.

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I didn't say they couldn't contribute, but do it on your own time, not mine.

Their concerts are their own time unless you're required to go for some reason.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 09:19 AM
While I agree that everybody - including entertainers are entitled to support a political candidate, I do get a little irked when they take "their time" (which costs ME anywhere from $50 - $150 + these days) during a show to spout campaign rhetoric. I don't care if they're David Crosby, Butch Trucks or somebody called Bocephus.

I don't even mind if they allow campaigners to hand out leaflets before and after the show. Please keep the show about the show!

In the words of the immortal Frank Zappa: "shut up and play yer guitar!"

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 09:37 AM
Why is it so hard for performers to do their job and perform their music without blatant political speeches and proselytizing ?When you call a plumber to come fix your sink does he berate you about politics while he performs his job?Sometimes I think these musicians forget that we fans pay a ton of money to hear them perform...and they also forget that not everybody agrees with their politics!...enough already,play the music and leave the politics for other venues!
 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 09:39 AM
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I didn't say they couldn't contribute, but do it on your own time, not mine. I am pretty sure Oteil isn't on the Obama band wagon, why should he be subjected to the politics of other members of the band?

Plus, you are bound to turn off some members of your base. I would think a band that has a waning fan base wouldn't want to turn anybody off.

One show isn't going to make or break a full year of possible tour dates.

Like I said, a summer tour with the Dead would be fantastic. Not less shows, more. Of course, all they will do is tour the east coast and leave the midwest and west coast wishing they weren't forgotten.

I say they send Obama all the campaign contributions they want, just don't subject me to it.

The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.


Dude, I don't get it. "Don't subject me to it." "Do it on your own time, not mine." etc. Who is forcing you to plop down cash and go to the show? They are doing it on their own time, and they're not subjecting you to anything.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:04 AM
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Why is it so hard for performers to do their job and perform their music without blatant political speeches and proselytizing ?

Most of them do, of course, and we're talking about benefit shows- those aren't the same thing as proselytizing. As the audience member I'm not sure you get to dictate to the artists how they "do their job."

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In the words of the immortal Frank Zappa: "shut up and play yer guitar!"

This might be even more ironic than the Dylan quote. Zappa was very political and even put out an album that sampled his appearance before Congress about warning labels on albums.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:07 AM
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I didn't say they couldn't contribute, but do it on your own time, not mine.

I didn't realize that you were a shareholder...

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:16 AM
I went to the Penn State show as well and I cannot recall much, if any, political words from either band. The may have said get out and vote and thatís about it.

What I do remember is that the Allmans blew the Dead off the stage. They were tight that night and there was barely anyone in the venue to see them.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:19 AM
More important question... where and when?

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:24 AM
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Music is holy whereas politics,to quote Dylan,is the devil....

Yeah, the guy who wrote The Times They Are a-Changin' and The Hurricane would never have gotten involved in politics.





With all respect,I'm not gonna get into my readings of Bob's lyrics,books,bio,bios,academic papers and books and a few years working for the man,but Bob's public work,the meaning of his songs,him,his intent is never what it seems.More like holding up a mirror and defining him and his work based on what we need him to be or what we need to perceive.Also,the role marketing plays in Bob's decisions,as one of the few artists never to be seriously ripped off by the music industry,can't be underestimated.

And,Bob has always said in interviews that people can interpret him and his songs anyway they want.In his autobiography he speaks of having no interest in politics or the so called protest movement or being any leader of anything .he defines himself as primarily a father(and now proud grandpa) who is a musician.

Probably need to take that with a grain of salt(or sand ) too!

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:31 AM
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More important question... where and when?


I'm pretty sure this is hypothetical at this point.

Marley, thanks for distinguishing a regular show from a benefit one. Two different animals.
If you pay to attend a political benefit, then you have to accept the politics that come w/ it as part of the contract you made when buying tix.

I agree that in a regular show, I'm not paying to hear political or religious opinions. But if you attend a Santana concert, you are likely to get both!

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:42 AM
Just reading the Dan Toler benefit thread. Anyone else find it sad that if we had a single payer universal health care system like most of the rest of the industrialized world we wouldn't need benefit concerts?

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 10:53 AM
Donor Rap (long version)

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 11:00 AM
I believe Rock 'N' Roll should always be Left-Wing. There should always be an aspect of "the Kids" against "The Man" even if "The Kids" are 60 year old millionaires. "The Man" is always Right-Wing. Religion however, has no part in Rock 'N' Roll............... I obviously could never defend this position in a debate or "back it up with facts"

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 11:03 AM
Top 5 political yappers/benefit concert performers--& i'm sure there might actualy be a list)

Bonnie Raitt
CSNY
Bono
John Hall of Orleans who actually became a member of that wacky world of congress
Jackson Browne

The most annoying entertainer happens to be a comedian--Dennis miller.....a train wreck of rotting brain matter....& not even funny!

Although Hank jr. Was hilarious this week demonstrating how unsafe drinking and trying to think can be....

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 11:22 AM
Hank Jr proved alcohol, ego, politics, and musicians a great recipe!

 

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The funny thing is, I attended the Penn State show, not for the politics, but the music.

so go to another for the same reason


Right. Or, here's an idea, don't go. Did "they" force you last time?

Let your principles guide your actions, not just your rants.


 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 11:56 AM
Just so I am clear... I am not going and that = I am not giving one red cent to this guys campaign... I hope he just fades away quietly... But I would love to go to a show..

 

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