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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 06:11 AM
What would be the 2-3 best shows from this tour?

I'm looking to burn some shows for my truck...thanks.

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 06:28 AM
Why not just use the album...not any complaints on my part about the official release...

I've got the DVD and numerous boots from that tour,but the original album still seems best....

Although the entire copenhagen show is darn good....

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 07:19 AM
I like the 2 Paris Olympia shows and the Rotterdam Show the best. New Castle England was one of my first tapes also. The whole tour is great but these are my favs. If you have Rockin the Rhine, Hundred Year Hall and Steppin Out in England, you're covered as far as Germany and England are concerned IMO.

I'm digging the Volume 2 recent release also.

[Edited on 10/7/2011 by tommars]

 

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  posted on 10/7/2011 at 04:33 PM
kick @$$ tour.....no doubt

Mileage may vary.....Hundred Year Hall is my personal favorite

 

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  posted on 10/8/2011 at 06:59 AM
tough.
today I'll say 100 yr hall (4-26), 5-03 (has China-Rider from the album) and 5-26 (the entire Truckin-TOO-Morning Dew jam. they took out TOO for the album)

just realized no Dark Star on that list - so maybe put in 5-04 or 4-17 instead of 5-03


or, you could just pick 3 random shows. they're all great.

 

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  posted on 10/8/2011 at 11:55 AM
I'm not a big Dead fan but remember the 1972 tour of Europe well.

One question - if it was such an apparent artistic success, why was it not repeated?


 

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  posted on 10/8/2011 at 12:31 PM
I purchased the Box Set and it arrived on Sep 2. To be honest I have not come across a show that is weak so far. They are all great with incredible sound.

If I had to pick so far I would say …


5/13/72 Lille, France
5/23/72 London, England




 

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  posted on 10/8/2011 at 04:46 PM
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I'm not a big Dead fan but remember the 1972 tour of Europe well.

One question - if it was such an apparent artistic success, why was it not repeated?




They did go back to Europe in September 1974, and played a short tour (seven gigs). But by that time they were considering quitting the road for a while. Due to financial problems and changes in musical direction. The result was the hiatus from October 1974 to June 1976 (though a few gigs did take place within that time).

BTW my favorite Europe 72 show is Bickershaw Festival 5/7/72, which contains the hot Dark Star>Other One pairing.

[Edited on 10/8/2011 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 10/8/2011 at 05:51 PM
Thank you!

Friends of mine were at Bickershaw and it was a total mudbath, as I recall!


 

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  posted on 10/9/2011 at 09:45 PM
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I'm not a big Dead fan but remember the 1972 tour of Europe well.

One question - if it was such an apparent artistic success, why was it not repeated?





BTW my favorite Europe 72 show is Bickershaw Festival 5/7/72, which contains the hot Dark Star>Other One pairing.

[Edited on 10/8/2011 by BarrySmith]


listening to that show now.
only auds of set 1 are in circ, but it doesn't matter because the gold is, as you said, set 2.
Dark Star>
TOO
Sugar Mag>
Lovelight>
GDRFB>
NFA

great stuff.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 02:00 PM
gotta echo the 5/23/72...mainly because it was my first Grateful Dead show.......hooked & reeled in forever after that show!

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 04:57 PM
I'm always surprised that 5/26 (the final show) is not held in higher regard. It's pretty amazing by my book.

I have the complete box set. I am completely astounded at how amazing the whole tour is. I'm usually quite critical of the Dead (although I am a fan). I can't be on this tour. The average performances throughout the tour are way above the normal average for the Dead...

I guess it would be easier to say which shows to avoid, but I can't think of any of those either.

It might be more about sound/mix and song selection than anything at this point.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 08:01 PM
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tough.
today I'll say 100 yr hall (4-26), 5-03 (has China-Rider from the album) and 5-26 (the entire Truckin-TOO-Morning Dew jam. they took out TOO for the album)

just realized no Dark Star on that list - so maybe put in 5-04 or 4-17 instead of 5-03


or, you could just pick 3 random shows. they're all great.


I believe the Bickershaw show had the only DS on the tour - that's the one they used on Vol. 2....however the show overall is probably not as good as the Tivoli Gardens (Copenhagen) shows, which I particularly liked....

I read somewhere that the reason they sound so focused and tight on this tour is because they didn't bring any dope with them, which I find hard to believe - after all, they DID play Amsterdam, did they not?

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 10:20 PM
Bickershaw was the only DS> TOO. It was not the only Dark Star. In fact they played it at one of the Tivoli shows (great version).

maybe they didn't bring any drugs with them - but that doesn't mean they didn't take any when they got there. If Bear went with them, you know they didn't leave the US empty handed.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 11:00 PM
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Bickershaw was the only DS> TOO. It was not the only Dark Star. In fact they played it at one of the Tivoli shows (great version).

maybe they didn't bring any drugs with them - but that doesn't mean they didn't take any when they got there. If Bear went with them, you know they didn't leave the US empty handed.



I knew when I posted that I was probably wrong - forgot about >TOO connection. Thanks for correcting me on that.

Was Bear on that "trip?" When did he go to prison? For some reason I thought this was during his hiatus period.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 11:06 PM
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Bickershaw was the only DS> TOO. It was not the only Dark Star. In fact they played it at one of the Tivoli shows (great version).

maybe they didn't bring any drugs with them - but that doesn't mean they didn't take any when they got there. If Bear went with them, you know they didn't leave the US empty handed.




From his obituary in the New York Times:

"In 1970, after a judge revoked Mr. Stanley’s bail from a 1967 drug arrest, he served two years in federal prison."

I don't think he made it over the pond in '72....

 

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Bickershaw was the only DS> TOO. It was not the only Dark Star. In fact they played it at one of the Tivoli shows (great version).

maybe they didn't bring any drugs with them - but that doesn't mean they didn't take any when they got there. If Bear went with them, you know they didn't leave the US empty handed.




From his obituary in the New York Times:

"In 1970, after a judge revoked Mr. Stanley’s bail from a 1967 drug arrest, he served two years in federal prison."

I don't think he made it over the pond in '72....


From the Rolling Stone article about his life:

"On January 30th, 1970, after a Dead show in New Orleans, police walked into the band's Bourbon Street hotel with search warrants and busted the Dead, along with Owsley. The headline in the New Orleans Times-Picayune the next day read "Rock Musicians, 'King of Acid,' Arrested." Although all charges were eventually dropped, "a **** ing judge who wanted to make sure I did time" revoked Owsley's bail on the 1967 LSD bust after he was arrested again in Oakland. Owsley was sent to Terminal Island Federal Prison, a medium-security lockup in San Pedro where Charles Manson had also done time.

In prison, Owsley got himself assigned to the kitchen. "I worked my way up to the top job," he recalls, "which was as a line backer for the steam tables, and I traded my two cartons of cigarettes a week for a steak a day from the butcher, and I got all the meat and eggs I needed, and I cooked my own food and had a great time." Transferred to Lompoc, where his job was to wax the dining-room floor, Owsley soon moved on to the maintenance shop, where he used the tools to begin doing exquisitely detailed carvings in wood and stone.

By the time Owsley returned to the Dead in August 1972, Dennis McNally says, "It was a different world. Bear wanted to be the sound man, and he was not the sound man, and he just never got it, because he had a single vision. That was his strength and his flaw. And the band had a bunch of macho cowboys as a crew who were snorting blow and drinking a whole lot of beer, and Bear was offended by their language and by their beer."

He missed the boat....

 

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  posted on 10/14/2011 at 11:57 PM
I actually emailed Bear and he replied. My question was why can't we release the tapes of the Allman Brothers that he recorded. His reply was that it was OK to release. His stipulation was that any concert he recoreded MUST be released the way he reco0rded it.
UNEDITED. That means the whole magilla from start to finish.
I just felt I should put it on the record.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2011 at 06:44 AM
yea - I wasn't sure if Bear went or not. I bet they found what they "needed" over there.


 
 


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