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  posted on 9/27/2011 at 06:58 PM
Can someone please provide an insight why Atlanta/GA has been completely off the Allmans' radar for the past couple of years? I can understand Philly/Boston and no ATL but to see Gregg's tour go Tennessee, MS, AL, FL and then end in Savanah, GA with NO ATL date? Why?
At this point I would be happy and appreciative if someone would just make it official and say "No more ATL dates ever due to business/logistics/personal reasons" or whatever it is. It's always a punch in the gut waiting for the fall tour dates and then NOT get ATL. Some one started a rumor here about some Fox Theatre dates a month ago which makes this year's skip extra harsh.

Any comment would be appreciated.

 
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  posted on 9/27/2011 at 07:23 PM
Yeah, who was that guy that started that Fox rumor?!!

If it was me , I would sincerely apologize, and explain that the info came from a long-reliable source, knowledgeable about the Fox.

In my, I mean his, defense, Gregg's health issues may have played a part, and we all know ABB management is a bit lacking.

We did get Macon in '10 that I was most happy about, since it was at a proper theatre, and not a shed or in the middle of some park. So, there's that.

Derek and Susan played two shows this yr, and Warren's at the Tabby Nov 10, so things could be worse.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2011 at 07:54 PM
Not Atlanta -- or Macon, but ... Gregg is playing Savannah (1/21/12) and several other dates in the South:

http://www.greggallman.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Calendar&fil e=listevents-gaf2009-all

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  posted on 9/27/2011 at 08:36 PM
walk me out in the morning dew today...
guess it doesn't matter anyway

 

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  posted on 9/27/2011 at 09:31 PM
It's more than ATL., its the whole South. NC SC GA VA TN AL and it's starting to get old. Just my 02 worth

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 03:23 AM
I enjoyed the southen dates. I like seeing the ABB play, but I am not going north to see them. I guess I will have to wait until Wannee.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 08:08 AM
I have been bewildered by the Atlanta embargo since the 40 year anniversary snub. Now
years later it is even more perplexing.Some people who visit this site know people in the bands inner circle. Are the guys aware of the frustration and pent up demand for a Fox ATL. run?
I wonder if they care. So, you people with sources, do us a favor and ask the question.Why
won't the ABB play Atlanta? I have tried to speculate as to why and nothing makes sense.
Does somebody in the band have an outstanding warrant in GA? Is there discord between Atlanta promoters and the mysterious "Management". It seems like if a venue isn't a limo ride
from NYC it is off the list. Give us three nights of "an evening with" at the Fox in ATL .PLEASE

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 08:10 AM
well they did say after the 40th anniversary tour they would be scaling it WAY back and playing to mostly
the Northeast which is their biggest market for them.

You'd think with the rehersals in Atlanta they'd try to play something in GA or FL

but the band is winding down with mostly the Beacon and Wannee getting the most attention now

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 08:17 AM
Actually, the band in articles & interviews said they were scaling back, but wanted to continue the Beacon tradition and limited touring for the forseeable future. They never said that they would be doing limited tours of the Northeast only.

The Atlanta snub by the ABB and Gregg & Friendsis is perplexing. Support for both acts was pretty strong before they stopped scheduling Atlanta. The fact that they rehearse here does add some salt to the wound!

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 08:30 AM
at some pioint this year a couple of fox shows did look VERY likely, makes it all the more frustrating that didn't happen...
 
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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 09:32 AM
My guess on why the ABB don't play GA or southern shows anymore is the band is more or less based out of NYC these days and probably flys to their shows. Both Boston and Philly are about an hour away by air. Basically, the band likes to play, but doesn't necessairly want to be "on the road".
 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 10:09 AM
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My guess on why the ABB don't play GA or southern shows anymore is the band is more or less based out of NYC these days and probably flys to their shows. Both Boston and Philly are about an hour away by air. Basically, the band likes to play, but doesn't necessairly want to be "on the road".


Gregg, Warren. Derek, Oteil are definitely "on the road' -- a LOT.

Warren, Marc and Jaimoe live in the NY area, Gregg, Butch, Derek & Oteil live in the South ... yes?

SO, one has to wonder about the reasons behind the ABB tour scheduling.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 10:19 AM
While I feel for yall, living in Canada I pretty have to travel for every Brothers show I want to see and have gotten quite used to it (not the expense however). Based on the fact the band is winding down any opportunity I can get to go and see them I will, because ya never know when the road will end! I might suggest that if you are waiting for a show in your area don't! Take a road trip and see the best live band on the planet.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 11:31 AM
Travel to the Beacon like the rest of us . Every year, you know they are there
 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 12:38 PM
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It's more than ATL., its the whole South. NC SC GA VA TN AL and it's starting to get old. Just my 02 worth


Are there enough ABB fans in these areas to fill 3000 seat venues??? I know that even though they are from the south the lions share of their fan base comes from the New York/ New England area and always has since the Fillmore days. Not sure if they think there are enough fans to fill big enough venues in those places.

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 01:03 PM
Try living in Denver. Unless there is a huge tour, we don't get any of these shows in the small tours (I do understand the logistics) and Gregg has never done a tour around here.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 01:05 PM
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It's more than ATL., its the whole South. NC SC GA VA TN AL and it's starting to get old. Just my 02 worth


Are there enough ABB fans in these areas to fill 3000 seat venues??? I know that even though they are from the south the lions share of their fan base comes from the New York/ New England area and always has since the Fillmore days. Not sure if they think there are enough fans to fill big enough venues in those places.

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Is this a serious question/statement???

The Allmans routinely packed out amphitheaters in the areas mentioned throughout the "hey day" of the 90's and into the 2000's (amphitheaters with capacities of 18,000 plus). Even in the late 2000's when they were getting into the area less and the shows were less advertised the sheds were still 3/4 full (13,000). There is an unquestionable market, particularly in Atlanta, Raleigh, and Charlotte.

Further when they played the Fox in 2004 for 3 night those shows appeared to be sold out. The Fox seats around 5,000. So they were able to sell 15,000 tickets. In '98 they played 5 shows at the Fox....25,000 tickets.

Yes the Allmans have alot of support in the NE, but to say "lions share" is an overstatement. Certainly y'all are the most catered to, maybe because they can get top dollar up there?

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 01:21 PM
There is probably some truth in what both of you say. 2004 was a very long time ago in the music business. I doubt the ABB would sell out a 5,000 venue in Atlanta for three night in a row now. They have had some trouble filling the shed venues in the northeast during summer months without billing with WSP, Ratdog, or Phil.

Whether the lions share of the fan base is up north, the greater population density here means there is a much larger crowd to draw from.

Although costs are certainly higher up north, as was pointed out, I think the band is able to charge more for tickets up here. If someone looks up the ticket cost for the recent RTF IV tour, I bet the prices in Boston, Philly and NY were much higher than Atlanta. Ticket sales in Atlanta were very poor, while up north they were fairly strong. It would make for an interesting comparison.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 02:20 PM
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There is probably some truth in what both of you say. 2004 was a very long time ago in the music business. I doubt the ABB would sell out a 5,000 venue in Atlanta for three night in a row now. They have had some trouble filling the shed venues in the northeast during summer months without billing with WSP, Ratdog, or Phil.

Whether the lions share of the fan base is up north, the greater population density here means there is a much larger crowd to draw from.

Although costs are certainly higher up north, as was pointed out, I think the band is able to charge more for tickets up here. If someone looks up the ticket cost for the recent RTF IV tour, I bet the prices in Boston, Philly and NY were much higher than Atlanta. Ticket sales in Atlanta were very poor, while up north they were fairly strong. It would make for an interesting comparison.


Yes, 2004 is awhile ago...I noted the difference between the crowds in early 2000's and late 2000's. That said the band wouldn't have a problem selling out two nights at the Fox in Atlanta. Saying they couldn't gather 3,000 for a concert in Atlanta is like saying they couldn't sell out the Tabernacle, which is a ridiculous statment. Gov't Mule has routinely sold that venue out on back to back nights in Atlanta.

The last time the Brothers played in the state of Georgia was in 2010, Macon. They sold out a 2,700 seat venue, and I can guarantee the majority of those folks weren't from Macon. The market in Macon is not sh*t compared to Atlanta.

I go to Wanee every year, I can tell you that the state of Georgia and further, the Metro Atlanta area, is probably the most represented in a crowd of 20,000 plus.

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 02:31 PM
Outside of the Fox Theater in Atlanta, I wonder how many theaters in the South could successfully do a multi-night run for the Allman Brothers? I doubt there are that many, and most of them are not that close together. Basically the only two I can think of is maybe DPAC in Durham, NC (possibly do a two-night run) and maybe the Ryman in Nashville (again, maybe two nights). Since the Allmans now seems to be inclined to do "theater tours" what theaters in what markets "down South" exist that could draw well enought for the band to do a multi-night run in a particular market? Truth be told, there are not that many theaters close enough together or have a large enought market for the band to do a "multi-night" run. Most of them at best would be a one night "evening with" type of performance. And unfortunately, for southern fan (and elsewhere) the band is really not interested in doing "one-nighters" anymore. And that's just the way it is.
 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 02:58 PM
I think a 3-night Fox run is feasible. The Fox is like 4750 capacity, while the Beacon is 2800. I cannot imagine the facility costs are that much different, so even if they only sold 3k each night, they can do ok. Run a 2 for one late special like they did recently for RTF/ZPZ to fill the rest, and that's all gravy.

Nobody has mentioned Chastain, which seats 6000. The two shows in 08 were not sold out, but pretty close. They did have to drop prices some to fill it, so perhaps the ABB remembers that. There is nothing magic about a sellout; all it means is that you did not charge enough for tix!

Fred, to your point, the theatre at the BJCC in B'ham is about Beacon-size as I recall, and I bet they could do a couple nights there. Put that w/ 3 at the Fox and 3 at the Ryman (think it is only about 2k), and this would make a nice deal for us crackers! Is there no suitable theatre in Charlotte?

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 03:05 PM
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Fred, to your point, the theatre at the BJCC in B'ham is about Beacon-size as I recall, and I bet they could do a couple nights there.


Well Brock, the only problem there is both the Atlanta/Birmingham markets somewhat overlap each other. You could probable do a three-nighter in either market but not both. As for Charlotte, I don't really know of a 3,000 plus theater. Maybe someone in that "neck of the woods" could enlighten all of us.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 03:06 PM
Chastain Park Amp capacity is 6900 (rock n roll set up). I would say the ABB sold 11,000 tickets those two nights. At a more reasonable ticket price, they would have sold out.

I think a pair of theatre nights in Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta (Fox), and Nashville (Ryman) would be possible. If you did those 4 cities, I think it would limit them to two nights at the Fox (fewer SE travelers), which holds 4670.

 

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  posted on 9/28/2011 at 04:33 PM
Now the the second part of the equation, as mentioned above: Will Atlanta sell out three nights with orchestra seats priced at $125 - $150, like Philly and Boston? RTF sold poorly at the Fox with orchestra seats priced below $100, and they had to offer two for one. Even in the Northeast the ABB have had to resort to double bills with WSP, Ratdog (echhh) and Phil to do decently in the summer shed shows.

How many people will pay $150 for a Chastain show in December?

If you live in Atlanta, and don't want to come North, your best best is to go to Wanee.

 

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Now the the second part of the equation, as mentioned above: Will Atlanta sell out three nights with orchestra seats priced at $125 - $150, like Philly and Boston? RTF sold poorly at the Fox with orchestra seats priced below $100, and they had to offer two for one. Even in the Northeast the ABB have had to resort to double bills with WSP, Ratdog (echhh) and Phil to do decently in the summer shed shows.

How many people will pay $150 for a Chastain show in December?

If you live in Atlanta, and don't want to come North, your best best is to go to Wanee.


RTF is not the Allman Brothers Band, it is not even comparable.

I paid over $200 total to see 2 nights of the Bros at Chastain in 2008 for seats as described above. Over $300 total to see 3 nights of the Brothers at the Fox in 2004. It is not like people haven't paid these prices to see the Brothers in Atlanta before at premeir venues.

Chastain is an outdoor venue BTW, so I don't think alot of people would drop $150 to see them play outdoors in December.

Alot of people do go from Atlanta to Wanee, but it still doesn't mean we shouldn't get "Evening W/..." shows in Atlanta. Wanee is wonderful, but festival shows are not quite the same as "Evening W/'s..."

 
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