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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 01:24 PM
Was watching the beautiful version of BWIAB from Austin City Limits and I was thinking, and this is just my opinion of course and whatever it's worth, that BWIAB will be the last great ABB tune. The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks. Maybe others don't believe BWIAB deserves to be in that company but I do. I love that tune dearly. I don't think anything on HTN stands up and I'd be amazed if anything arrives in the future that does.
Thank you, Dickey Betts for this wonderful song.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 01:44 PM
I concur that Back Where It All Begins is an all-time ABB classic. But, I don't think High Cost of Low Living or Desdemona take back seat (or much of a back seat) to some of the best songs this band has ever recorded. The coda on High Cost is some of my favorite 3-4 minutes of music this band has ever recorded, to these ears.

BWIAB's does though hold a special place in my heart.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 01:54 PM
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Was watching the beautiful version of BWIAB from Austin City Limits and I was thinking, and this is just my opinion of course and whatever it's worth, that BWIAB will be the last great ABB tune. The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks. Maybe others don't believe BWIAB deserves to be in that company but I do. I love that tune dearly. I don't think anything on HTN stands up and I'd be amazed if anything arrives in the future that does.
Thank you, Dickey Betts for this wonderful song.


I always loved when Warren would take the first solo on this tune - to me I think it represents his most consistently beautiful playing.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 01:58 PM
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The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks.


I thought the same of Desdemona the first time I heard it.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:19 PM
I agree. Warren's solo in this song from An Evening with...is just ridiculous. And I also must say that I can not stand Desdemona, and for the life of me can't see why it's such a fan favorite. It's slow, long and uninteresting. BWIAB, on the other hand, is just perfect.
 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:20 PM
BWIAB is fantastic. I love it and it's a highlight on "An Evening With", which, to me, is saying something.

but I'm with Bhawk on Desdemona. It's a keeper.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:32 PM
Love Back where it all begins,I thought for certain the ABB might pull that one out when they played Macon.But Desdemona is great IMHO and Egypt is fantastic as derek can bring that instrumental to soaring heights.
 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:48 PM
I think what makes BWiAB so special is the feeling surrounding the album.

The Allmans were commercially viable in a way that hadn't happened since the early-70's, and they were coming into their own with that lineup of the band. Dickey was in good health, Gregg was writing again, Warren was dynamic. It was a perfect time for the band.

I still say that, if you mix the original Hittin the Note material with Dickey's original material from Let's Get Together, you have an album on par with the best band ever recorded.

Firing Line
Let's Get Together
High Cost of Low Living
Tombstone Eyes
Desdemona
Sing While I'm Walking
Old Before My Time
One Stop BeBop
Instrumental Illness
Dona Maria

Would have been a great, great album.

Ah, well...

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:51 PM
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I still say that, if you mix the original Hittin the Note material with Dickey's original material from Let's Get Together, you have an album on par with the best band ever recorded.



"Let's get together"...warranted two listens before I rolled down the window of my fast moving car and flung it out the window....'Pattern Disruptive" on the other hand I would substitute in it's place in a heartbeat.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:53 PM
I can't disagree with you. It is a classic.

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Wow, totally forgot about this song, even though it was one of my favorites when they played it. I have to go and pull some of my cassettes to have a listen, don't think I have it on cd.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 02:56 PM
I've got to go with Rich, Warren's solo on An Evening With is some of Warren's finest....melodic, flowing, sonically beautiful and sweet playing. Not a note of out place, and it symbolizes The Abb.
As far as High Cost and Desdemonda, I'm with Hotlantatim....both great songs and hold their own very well. I could listen to all 3 of those songs and never be disappointed.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 03:00 PM
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Was watching the beautiful version of BWIAB from Austin City Limits and I was thinking, and this is just my opinion of course and whatever it's worth, that BWIAB will be the last great ABB tune. The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks. Maybe others don't believe BWIAB deserves to be in that company but I do. I love that tune dearly. I don't think anything on HTN stands up and I'd be amazed if anything arrives in the future that does.
Thank you, Dickey Betts for this wonderful song.


I always loved when Warren would take the first solo on this tune - to me I think it represents his most consistently beautiful playing.


I have always considered it Warren's peak with the ABB. Live he took it to a whole new level. Dickey often even cut his own solo short after Warren would tear it up. Definite highlight of the Dickey/Warren era.

It is the one Dickey sung song that I wish they would do just to hear Warren take me on one more trip.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 03:19 PM
Tunes that made a lasting impression on me since 1990 (Gregg and Dickey solo and The Brothers) include:
Dickey's version of Tangled Up in Blue
High Cost of Low Living
Back Where it all Begins
Change My way of Living
True Gravity
Whats Done is Done
Desdemona
Sailing across The Devils Sea
All Night Train
End of the Line
Come on and Help me (Searching for Simplicity)
Nobody Knows
About half of the tunes off LCB

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 03:20 PM
The fact that BWIAB, Nobody Knows, Seven Turns etc don't feature in set lists is a big minus for the band.



 

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Was watching the beautiful version of BWIAB from Austin City Limits and I was thinking, and this is just my opinion of course and whatever it's worth, that BWIAB will be the last great ABB tune. The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks. Maybe others don't believe BWIAB deserves to be in that company but I do. I love that tune dearly. I don't think anything on HTN stands up and I'd be amazed if anything arrives in the future that does.
Thank you, Dickey Betts for this wonderful song.


I always loved when Warren would take the first solo on this tune - to me I think it represents his most consistently beautiful playing.


I have always considered it Warren's peak with the ABB. Live he took it to a whole new level. Dickey often even cut his own solo short after Warren would tear it up. Definite highlight of the Dickey/Warren era.

It is the one Dickey sung song that I wish they would do just to hear Warren take me on one more trip.


You hit the nail right on the head.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 05:15 PM
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Was watching the beautiful version of BWIAB from Austin City Limits and I was thinking, and this is just my opinion of course and whatever it's worth, that BWIAB will be the last great ABB tune. The last epic that stands up next to Whippin' Post, Jessica, Dreams and the rest of the classic ABB tracks. Maybe others don't believe BWIAB deserves to be in that company but I do. I love that tune dearly. I don't think anything on HTN stands up and I'd be amazed if anything arrives in the future that does.
Thank you, Dickey Betts for this wonderful song.


I agree completely. Some good stuff on HTN, but utimately I edit it to maybe half its overall length with "Instrumental Illness" being the standout because it is the younger musicians in the band stepping up. The ever-evolving and better than the studio version live version of "Midnight In Harlem" being played by the TTB right now I would play over anything on HTN. BWIAB, on the other hand, has songs on there that feel better to me and mean more to me than anything on HTN by a mile. And, I love Warren in the slide chair as that is when the ABB sounds like the true, original nature of the group, which is why I am loving the 1994 era live shows so much these days. I absolutely love Derek Trucks, but always much more when he is doing his own thing with his own bands instead of "The Allman Brothers Band featuring Special Guest Derek Trucks." I wish Warren played more slide even now. The two songs that hold up and make feel good these days are Derek's "Midnight In Harlem" and Dickey's "Back Where It All Begins."

 

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 05:54 PM
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The fact that BWIAB, Nobody Knows, Seven Turns etc don't feature in set lists is a big minus for the band.





No doubt. Just think if the ABB didn't play ANY Dickey tunes like IMOER, NOTRW, Jessica, etc. It shows how much Dickey brought to the band in the songwriting department.

I appreciated Dan Toler's playing on Back Where It All Begins. He really smoked the solo on this one.

 
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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 06:09 PM
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I appreciated Dan Toler's playing on Back Where It All Begins. He really smoked the solo on this one.

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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 06:11 PM
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The ever-evolving and better than the studio version live version of "Midnight In Harlem" being played by the TTB right now I would play over anything on HTN. BWIAB, on the other hand, has songs on there that feel better to me and mean more to me than anything on HTN by a mile. And, I love Warren in the slide chair as that is when the ABB sounds like the true, original nature of the group, which is why I am loving the 1994 era live shows so much these days. I absolutely love Derek Trucks, but always much more when he is doing his own thing with his own bands instead of "The Allman Brothers Band featuring Special Guest Derek Trucks." I wish Warren played more slide even now. The two songs that hold up and make feel good these days are Derek's "Midnight In Harlem" and Dickey's "Back Where It All Begins."


 

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I appreciated Dan Toler's playing on Back Where It All Begins. He really smoked the solo on this one.

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I was referring to the song "Back Where It All Begins" being played live by Dickey Betts & Great Southern, not the album "Where It All Begins" by the ABB.

 
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  posted on 9/6/2011 at 09:30 PM
"I can not stand Desdemona, and for the life of me can't see why it's such a fan favorite."

In the interest of conversation, I'll answer this.

To me, Desdemona may have my favorite Gregg Allman lyrics, and it is one of my favorite vocal showcases for him. For the past decade, there is no song I'd rather hear Gregg sing.
I also like the jazzy, swing feel of the solo sections. I think Desdemona really plays to Derek's strengths in particular and have always enjoyed his playing on it.

Egypt is my pick for the last great Allman Brothers tune. Shame it didn't get played more, and it looks less and less likely that it will appear on an album. Some of the live versions from 2005 are absolutely magical and can stand proudly next to the other great ABB instrumentals.

Back Where It All Begins is a great tune, and at the very least represents the peak of the Dickey/Warren era in some ways. I agree that it brought the best out of Warren, and it is such a great jam vehicle. Many happy memories of seeing that song live in the mid-90s.

 
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  posted on 9/7/2011 at 02:17 AM
I think that BWIAB, perhaps more than any tune on what unfortunately was the last Dickey-era album of new material, really captured the essence of the Bros on all levels - song structure, improv and lyrically. The simplicity of the chord progression, the bridge between the solos, the winding down and then easing into Dickey's solo, the closing chord sequence with beautiful fills including the Dickey fill against a stark background, really all the elements of the ABB in play with incredible improv playing yet structured by signposts that are as sweet as the improv itself, and of course the lyrics which are vintage Dickey Betts, lyrically almost reaching the epic level of a 7 Turns.

I'll surely never forget the first time I heard this song in '93, a full year before its commercial release, when the Bros were road-testing most of the album. My entire gang was just floored when they sprung BWIAB on us late in the show. Instant classic. What a memorable night, and who could have known how many wonderful memories were to be made over much of remainder of the 90's as the band really was in top gear most of the time. It was a magical time in my history as the band was touring on both coasts extensively, lots of multi-night theatre show runs and summer shed tours. The mid 90's were some of the band's best years. The entire ensemble was on fire but there was something extra special about Dickey Betts' guitar ringing out on a summer night.

I think the current lineup is just fabulous, in fact they really are the best band in the land. It's very unusual to have an assembly of such talent, both young and legendary, all under one roof so to speak. I'm thankful that they are still going, even if in a scaled down version. Nevertheless I can't deny that I miss the 90's, not just Dickey/Warren but also Dickey/Jack. Maybe it's the late hour that is making me melancholy for the great memories of those times. In some ways the Bros are the authors of the soundtrack of my life, cheesy as that may sound. Many shows, many travels, many friends, many adventures and stories to tell. So I guess I'll throw on a show from '94 and look at some old pics and stop blabbering here.

Thanks for bring up a great tune, made my night that's for sure.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2011 at 06:22 AM
In light of the "other" thread about Dickey thank you for posting this.

BWIAB is probably my fav(hard to pick) ABB song. Maybe one of my fav's in general in all music.
I have never thought of it in the terms, Last Classic. But after thinking about it I do agree.
The song embodies the spirt/sound/feel of what the ABB were all about. That album came out 17YRS AGO FOLKS!!!! 17yrs!!!.Thats hard to beleive.WOW!

Love the current line up and granted they have only went into the studio once, a good part of the material was covers,remakes and etc that were done in the past, about half new material. So Hittin the Note is kinda hard to compare in those terms. Good songs but no classics. If anything Desdemona, High Cost of Low Living(really dont care for that song)
but those would be a stretch.

I have been listening to alot of Dickey latelly, Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame, Rockplast, Live At the Ogden and so forth. It makes me REALLY miss the early to mid 90's of the ABB band. I saw some great shows with that line up, would love to hear that again, but....

Proabably my fav version of Blue Sky from Evening With The Allman Brothers. The Warren solo and when he kicks in with the slide is spectacular. This tune and others would be awesome to hear again live from that outfit.
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  posted on 9/7/2011 at 06:51 AM
Who would have thought that a version of Walking On Sunshine could be so good.

Katrina and the waves borrowed also.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2011 at 08:54 AM
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I think Desdemona really plays to Derek's strengths in particular and have always enjoyed his playing on it.

Egypt is my pick for the last great Allman Brothers tune. Shame it didn't get played more, and it looks less and less likely that it will appear on an album. Some of the live versions from 2005 are absolutely magical and can stand proudly next to the other great ABB instrumentals.



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