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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 05:47 AM
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Another Grateful Dead tour? 'Never say never'
Drummer Mickey Hart says, 'As long as we're above ground, there's always a possibility'
By Andy Greene
Rolling Stone
updated 8/24/2011 2:42:11 PM ET

Last year, Bob Weir told Rolling Stone why Grateful Dead drummers Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann weren't part of the new Dead offshoot band Furthur. "Phil [Lesh] and I were boldly pursuing new musical directions onstage, and some of the guys weren't picking up on it," Weir said. "Phil and I are way more current."
Hart and Kreutzmann declined to comment at the time, but when Hart stopped by Rolling Stone last week to discuss his new band, we reminded him what Weir had said. "I don't really have any comment on that," said Hart – who proceeded to spend the next three minutes commenting on it. "You shouldn't read too far into that. It's really hard to say who is current and who is not. I mean, it's a very weak argument. I would just think that would be a slip of the tongue on Bob's part. If he were here right now, we'd probably be laughing about it," Hart said — laughing.

Hart continued: "It doesn't really make sense. I mean, it's almost ludicrous. I'd like to say, 'Bob, are you more current than I am? Tell me more about it! I'd really like to know how current you really are.' Anyway, I don't really go there. It's not a place that's beneficial to anyone. In the past I've said things that I've wished I could have taken back. Besides, I just saw Bob and Phil at [San Francisco's] AT&T Park when they had Grateful Dead day. It was really nice hanging out."

The Dead last toured in 2009. "There was certainly personal tension on that tour," said Hart. "I mean, there were people that didn't get along. And there were musical differences. But nothing that couldn't be negotiated. I mean, there are differences in any family. But I didn't skip a beat. I've been in very interesting projects over the past few years and I have absolutely no inclination to join Furthur. Bob's doing just what he wants to do and so am I."

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Hart refuses to rule out the possibility of another Dead tour, though. "I would never say never," he says. "As long as we're above ground, there's always a possibility. I don't see any reason why we couldn't do more shows someday, but right now isn't the right time."

When the interview ended, Hart took his his cellphone and began scrolling through his contacts until he landed on the name Bob Weir. "Hey, Mr. Current," Hart said into the phone as he walked away. "I'm looking for a Mr. Current! [Hysterical laughter]. I challenge you to a zucchini war!"

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 06:04 AM
There will never again be a GD without Jerry....

As for Weir being current.....ha!

I saw Furthur a few times this year(got tix free from business connections,otherwise I wouldn't have bothered) and while the music was pleasant there was nothing current(whatever the heck Weir was talking about)going on other than Phil and Weir being part of a Dead cover band with a decent guitarist who captured some of Jerry's tone,but none of his skills,feel,and everything else musical and beyond that made Jerry the center of the GD.IMO,if you're gonna have a cover band,Warren was a much more skilled and versatile guitarist and singer than the guy they have,but none of it is or ever will be the GD.

To date,the only post Dead work I've heard or seen that is really interesting has been the various incarnations of Phil & Friends....

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 06:40 AM
As I understand it, Hart and Kreutzmann both like to be adventurous and "current" in their solo projects; however, with the Dead, they want to largely remain with the tried and true, giving the audience what they (ostensibly) want.
 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 06:51 AM
When RS "reminded" Hart what Weir said....reminded me of why I don't read RS anymore.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 07:29 AM
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As I understand it, Hart and Kreutzmann both like to be adventurous and "current" in their solo projects; however, with the Dead, they want to largely remain with the tried and true, giving the audience what they (ostensibly) want.


My guess is the "real reason" that Hart and Kreutzmann want/hope the Dead will tour is the money that they will make on such a tour, which allows them to pursue their "adventurous and "current"" solo projects (which I guessing put's them financially "in the red").

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 07:53 AM
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To date,the only post Dead work I've heard or seen that is really interesting has been the various incarnations of Phil & Friends....


just curious about what your thoughts are on the 7 walkers and the Rhythm devils?
I tend to enjoy them more most other dead incarnations (other than the PLQ). Probably mostly due to the non-dead associated players

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 08:27 AM
Kreutzmann on Furthur. Doesn't seem like he thinks they are keeping it current either.

“I haven’t really got much interest in them. They sound just like the other bands out there doing it. What do you call those bands that copy other bands—” Kreutzmann said. “Anyways, I don’t feel they’re doing anything really new with their music.”
Kreutzmann went on to say, “The saddest thing is that they (Furthur) hired a guitar player that’s not Warren Haynes. It’s too bad. They should have hired a great solo guitar player.”

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 08:54 AM
Notice how these are Bob's comments and not Phil's. Phil is much smarter. And the best post-Dead, Dead band ... maybe best (?) Dead band ... PLQ. That's who needs to get back together. They were Incredible! There and Back is one of the best Rock CD's ... period. Phil IMO has yet to even come close to matching that incarnation. And give him credit he tried some interesting combinations both before and after. Love Kreutzmann's comments on Mr. Haynes. I couldn't agree more!

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 09:06 AM
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To date,the only post Dead work I've heard or seen that is really interesting has been the various incarnations of Phil & Friends....


just curious about what your thoughts are on the 7 walkers and the Rhythm devils?
I tend to enjoy them more most other dead incarnations (other than the PLQ). Probably mostly due to the non-dead associated players


Never heard either band...

What's PLQ?

Excuse my ignorance...I guess I got off the bus after Jerry died and these days,mostly listen to Jerry solo or GD when I need my dead fix

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 09:33 AM
D of T, Phil Lesh Quintet - Phil, Warren, Jimmy Herring, John Molo and Rob Baracco. They toured (according to a dear friend and Deadhead were much better than at least the latter day Dead) released a CD called "There And Back" which is absolutely chocked with nothing but great songs a few Haynes music and Hunter lyrics. This is also where the great Haynes classic "Patchwork Quilt" is from. My favorite cut is "Night of a Thousand Stars." If you like the Dead and I assume you do, run pick a copy of this. This is the best post-Dead thing any of the remaining members have done. Of course IMHO. You should be able to listen to some live PLQ at sugarmegs and form your own opinion. This is one band I'm so glad I didn't miss.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 09:38 AM
I try not to read too much into the banter that musicians engange in with each other, especially those that have known each other and played music together for 40 years plus.

I'm just glad someone is still playing those songs. Aint gonna last forever, regardless of incarnations.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 09:42 AM
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"Phil [Lesh] and I were boldly pursuing new musical directions onstage, and some of the guys weren't picking up on it," Weir said. "Phil and I are way more current."



LOL too funny

Thanks for the PLQ tip, I saw Warren play "night of" with the Dead at the Gorge maybe 5 or 6 year ago (UGHHH). Amazing song. I always wondered where it came from. Try and find the Gorge version its incredible.

 

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D of T, Phil Lesh Quintet - Phil, Warren, Jimmy Herring, John Molo and Rob Baracco. They toured (according to a dear friend and Deadhead were much better than at least the latter day Dead) released a CD called "There And Back" which is absolutely chocked with nothing but great songs a few Haynes music and Hunter lyrics. This is also where the great Haynes classic "Patchwork Quilt" is from. My favorite cut is "Night of a Thousand Stars." If you like the Dead and I assume you do, run pick a copy of this. This is the best post-Dead thing any of the remaining members have done. Of course IMHO. You should be able to listen to some live PLQ at sugarmegs and form your own opinion. This is one band I'm so glad I didn't miss.


Thanks much...I have vague recall of hearing some of this when a local station ran a sat. Nite GD radio show....

Would love to hear it again-- never knew it was called PLQ.....but it's one heck of a group.....in fact,I'm sure I heard them,thinking it was Phil & friends....thanks again....I also need to check if I own the cd....

 

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I try not to read too much into the banter that musicians engange in with each other, especially those that have known each other and played music together for 40 years plus.

I'm just glad someone is still playing those songs. Aint gonna last forever, regardless of incarnations.


Right there with you Bhawk!

The 99 PLQ with Kimock and Trey was fantastic IMHO

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 09:56 AM
yeah dadof2, they did tour as phil and friends. i believe the cd was released as phil and friends as well. many refer to them as the Phil Lesh Quintet.

7 Walkers - "Famed drummer and Grateful Dead co-founder Bill Kreutzmann, guitar master Papa Mali, legendary New Orleans bass man George Porter Jr. (The Meters, Funky Meters) and multi-instrumentalist Matt Hubbard (Willie Nelson, Fastball), come together as 7 Walkers "
they are pretty good, they play a lot of dead songs and standars. they also released a CD which robert hunter helped to write / wrote a lot of songs (which are new). i really like them, but I am a big papa mali fan.
archive has about 50 shows on available for stream / download
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3A7Walkers&sort=-pub licdate

Ryhthm devils is a group with Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann, that tours with a rotating cast. I saw them with Mike Gordon and Davey Knowles, but they have recently toured with keller, steve kimmock, reed mathis, andy hess, and others.
archive also has about 50 shows for them as well.
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3ARhythmDevils&sort= -publicdate

i'd give both of these groups a listen if you are looking for "current" dead music.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 12:32 PM
Thanks,a shell....

Plan to listen...thanks again for the links....

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 12:37 PM
On the topic of post GD music,it's important to recognize the Phil & friends DVD with Larry Campbell and John Scofield on guitars--quite an interaction there Gregg Osby on horns and I believe Barraco and Molo...gotta check...anyway, a hak of a great show....and Phil thunders quite nicely.....for the most part,I'll always turn to Jerry
 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 01:11 PM
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To date,the only post Dead work I've heard or seen that is really interesting has been the various incarnations of Phil & Friends....


Seen them a couple times, was surprised to find myself able to study Lesh for a change. Refreshing new angle on the music. Definitely current. I was always totally Jerry-centric at Dead shows. Realized I had missed a lot of Lesh all those times I had been hypnotized by the Garcia.

Have yet to see Furthur, would really like to. Especially since they are so current.

Still, I miss Garcia, like everyone else, guess we were lucky to have him while we did. He was always really current.


 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 02:17 PM
Agreed, the Phil and Phriends version of the GD is by far the best and most
pleasing improvizational music. I saw "The Dead" in Philly, in the '90s and ... they were not very good. In fact Mickey Hart threw his drum sticks in the air at one point and said
something like "F you" to Phil then he walked off stage, FOR HALF AN HOUR. I sat next to some folks who had backstage passes and went back to visit the band during the intermission. They said the backstage band vibe sucked. No one talked to one anther. They all travelled alone in separate buses. They all has individual dressing/resting rooms. I'm not sure I saw one smile on stage the entire 3 hours. Basically they don't like one another and it's all about the $.

 

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Basically they don't like one another and it's all about the $.



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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 03:02 PM
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There will never again be a GD without Jerry....

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 03:04 PM
I like the GD alot and LOVE Jerry, but does anyone else find it kind of funny to see the word "current" used so many times in a thread about a band that formed in the 60's and based their formation around music that is far older than even that. Made me giggle, especially since a huge percentage of their fans are absolutely NOT looking for anything current, they want to be reminded of the past.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 03:17 PM
Then you have rants from people saying that all "current" music sucks. Can't please everyone.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 03:28 PM
I don't begrudge the suriving members of the Grateful Dead a right to make a living or play together (or not) in whatever permutations and combinations, but for me it was over when Jerry died But ya know, your mileage may vary. I'm sure there were fans in 1973 who for them it was over once Pigpen wasn't around.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2011 at 04:29 PM
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I like the GD alot and LOVE Jerry, but does anyone else find it kind of funny to see the word "current" used so many times in a thread about a band that formed in the 60's and based their formation around music that is far older than even that. Made me giggle, especially since a huge percentage of their fans are absolutely NOT looking for anything current, they want to be reminded of the past.


The word current was introduced in the article cited above.....but,you make a fair point,although people may be using the word to reflect current in different ways than in regard to current music as current pop trends.....one can be current in the way old music is presented--like the ABB adapting blues standard to their particular style....

 
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