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  posted on 7/22/2011 at 11:59 AM
Is it possible that people willing/able to pay premiums for Stubhub or VIP packages are legitimate, "real" fans?
Is every single ticket transaction, whether on TM or Stubhub, a voluntary action between consenting adults?
Are people willing and able to pay big bucks for a concert getting “ripped off” or “gouged”? Do they think so?
Is a person who is not willing or able to pay top dollar more deserving of being in that seat than the person who paid up to be there?
Do bands “owe” fans a good seat or a cheap ticket?
Do ticket brokers/scalpers provide a service to people? Should they be compensated for their service, for tying up their capital and for taking a risk? Do they get rich doing what they do?

If scalping were outlawed or prevented, there would still be the same number of fans who did not get that good seat or get into the show, right? There are only so-many good seats. How should it be decided who the lucky ones are?
What is the definition of a “true” fan? Does it have anything to do with how wealthy or poor you are?

If you could get a raise at work that doubled or tripled your salary, would you turn it down because that would be “gouging” your employer? Would you be “greedy” for accepting that huge pay raise?

No, I am not a ticket broker, but I have been a customer of brokers.
I, for one, am grateful for an option to get a good seat at a show, even if at a premium. Sometimes I skip the show or settle for a lesser, cheaper seat.

 
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  posted on 7/22/2011 at 12:52 PM
If it is legal, than in a way none of your questions matter, it is all personal ethics.

By my personal ethics, you are part of the problem. You asked!

 

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  posted on 7/22/2011 at 01:57 PM
You raise many legitimate questions mscott. Everyone else in our society prices their skills at market rates, so I see no reason why musicians are any different. They should charge whatever the market will bear.

If bands choose to underprice their tix, that's their right, but they're leaving money on the table that scalpers are more than willing to scoop up. There is really no good way to determine who the best fans are, but price does indicate who is most motivated to buy.

I once paid 5x face for a concert ticket. It was 1977 and I was in high school and making $2.25/hr at a gas station. I was a "real" (obsessive actually) fan of Led Zeppelin. I don't regret it at all.


 

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  posted on 7/22/2011 at 04:05 PM
I get all of the market rates, free enterprise arguments, etc.

And I don't have a problem with it. If the first ten rows are $500, the next ten rows $250, etc., then I'll be happy with my $50-$75 seat and the LED screens.

What I don't like is when the resale market is given an inside track to their profits that is not available to the general consumer.

Scenario:

1) Tickets go on sale Saturday at 10:00 a.m.
2) Thousands of fans in that market, and even across the country have their computers booted up, correct ticketmaster page loaded via high-speed connections, hands on mice, etc., at 9:58.
4) At 10:00 a.m., they start pounding ticketmaster trying to get the best seats possible.
5) They get error messages at 10:00. They get error messages at 10:01. They get error messages at 10:03, 10:04, etc.
6) Finally, at 10:05, 10:06, they're able to get through and get some tickets.
7) They then visit the forum of their favorite band and post how they did. Crap. Sh*t. Along the side. Way in the back. Behind a huge pole. Behind the stage.
8) Yet, you go to the reseller sites and you can basically get any seat in the house as long as you're able to pay for it. The same seats you thought you had a shot at when sitting in front of your computer at 9:58 a.m.

You did not have a shot. 2, 3, 4 minutes of error messages is a lot of time for the insiders to gobble up what they want before the public is allowed in.

If it were a fair competition between the consumers and the agencies and their personnel, we would at least win some of the time. SOMEBODY would get in at 10:00:01. SOMEBODY would be scoring those primo seats because they were fast, lucky, etc. It just doesn't happen anymore.

The argument of the brokers (at least back several years ago when I was reading their apologies and rationalizations) was that the people who work for them (who buy tickets specifically to resell them) are simply better at what they do then the regular mortal music fan. Maybe they are, most of the time, but not all of the time. And even just by random chance, some regular Joe would score big every once in a while. Not anymore.

The fix is in, and THAT'S what pisses me off.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2011 at 04:27 PM
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If it were a fair competition between the consumers and the agencies and their personnel, we would at least win some of the time. SOMEBODY would get in at 10:00:01. SOMEBODY would be scoring those primo seats because they were fast, lucky, etc. It just doesn't happen anymore.
And there you have it. (I personally have never bought tickets from scalpers or ticket resale services because although it may be free enterprise or whatever it's not an enterprise I care to support)

 

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