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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 06:29 AM
http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-fivealbums-test,59098/
 
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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 06:44 AM
Well, music - good or bad is often a matter of taste. Most of this guy's taste seems to be in his mouth. The guy seems to be a big Queen fan (not that there's anything wrong with that) and he likes the Kinks (a little is enough for me).

I understand and appreciate his "5 Albums Test". It kind of goes along with my own theory that most bands and television shows peak after about 5 years. Typically, I blame producers and record labels for this phenomena, as they push the "good stuff" early on to hook the fans.

The writer dismisses some very good (to MY taste) albums as being "bad records". Particularly, he cites the Rolling Stones', "It's Only Rock and Roll". For me, this was the last GREAT album by that band. The recording features some of Mick Taylor's finest soloing with that band.

But the guy apparently gets paid for wrting about music. So, I guess I'm just jealous.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 06:47 AM
Interesting

he makes some good points, but I'd agree it is also a matter or taste

I would throw in Dire Strait's first 5 (or 6)

but I also like his reasoning on the good "bad" albums

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 07:00 AM
i agree its really hard to release 5 really great albums in a row and there are very few artists who have done that.
 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 07:03 AM
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i agree its really hard to release 5 really great albums in a row and there are very few artists who have done that.


I can name alot (JMHO)
most here would say that they suck

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 07:13 AM
A few bands not mentioned Grand funk railroad their first nine albums went platinum their first 5 were all great, Deep Purple a band IMO never has gotten it's due a band of innovators and musical over achievers, I mean who sounds like DP no one because they simply can not play the music...their first 5 albums are all awesome.. Paul Mcartney from the beatles once stated their version of Help was the way the song was meant to be played.. Uriah Heep went gold sold out stadiums and their first 5 were also off the charts with originality and great songs their are many more but that guy is a good reason not to read ...

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 07:20 AM
Rush(2112 - Moving Pictures)
Metallica(kill 'em all - Black Album)
Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road)
Pearl Jam (ten - Yield)
Iron Maiden (Iron Maiden - Seventh Son) Seven Albums I love all of them

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 10:51 AM
I think that his intention was from a band's first album going forward. I think some of you are being tough on him.

It's Only R&R is a good album but doesn't match up with those before it. Plus he definitively ended at Black and Blue which is "bad".

I love Uriah Heep but they don't even have one truly "classic" record. Truth is that R&R history is leaving them behind. It is all taste but using examples given in the article, Heep doesn't come close to matching. If their first 5 were that good they would still be a classic rock staple.

Deep Purple's first albums sound nothing like what came later. Because of lineup changes, they have a hard time having 5 albums in a row all the same level.

It is not about liking an artist. It is whether that artist could maintain a consistant level.

My pick is the ABB. Even harder to believe as Duane passed before the 4th was released. Not many bands could lose such an important member and still managed the 5 album test.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 11:13 AM
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I love Uriah Heep but they don't even have one truly "classic" record.


Doesn't get any better than "Live 1974' it is a classic


Bowie :

Space Oddity (originally titled man of music man of words) rereleased as Space Oddity when the single took off
during the Moon Landing)

Man who sold the world
Ziggy Stardust
Aladin Sane
Pinups
Diamond Dogs.

that is six great albums out of the gate.




 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 11:27 AM
You forgot Hunky Dory. Which is also a good album. Bowie's stuff before Space was terrible.

Live 1974 is great but wouldn't exactly rank it among the classic albums of rock. Given its' sales I think that is a fair statement.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 11:46 AM
interesting, has some validity.
that test misses bands whose "greatness" is manifest by live performances as opposed to records, ie the Grateful Dead.
Another glaring exception to the rule, unfortunately, is Hendrix

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 12:21 PM
Little Feat:

Sailing Shoes
Dixie Chicken
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Last Record Album
Time Loves A Hero


and a bonus 6th: Waiting For Columbus


ZZ Top:

1st Album
Rio Grande Mud
Tres Hombres
Fandango
Tejas


[Edited on 7/21/2011 by chiliD]

 
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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 12:25 PM
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interesting, has some validity.
that test misses bands whose "greatness" is manifest by live performances as opposed to records, ie the Grateful Dead.
Another glaring exception to the rule, unfortunately, is Hendrix

Good point,IMHO

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 12:31 PM
Doobie Bros:

Toulouse Street
Captain & Me
Stampede
What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits
Takin' It To The Streets


Marshall Tucker Band:

The Marshall Tucker Band
A New Life
Where We All Belong
Searching For A Rainbow
Long Hard Ride


Jethro Tull:

This Was
Stand Up
Benefit
Aqualung
Thick As A Brick


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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 02:40 PM
george thorogood's first 5 albums are his best
 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 02:54 PM
These "1st five" work for me....

The Byrds :

Mr. Tambourine Man
Turn! Turn! Turn!
Fifth Dimension
Younger Than Yesterday
The Notorious Byrd Brothers

Jethro Tull : (already mentioned,but i love all of these)

This Was (1968)
Stand Up (1969)
Benefit (1970)
Aqualung (1971)
Thick as a Brick (1972)

Black Oak Arkansas :

Black Oak Arkansas (Atco, March 1971)
Keep The Faith (Atco, January 1972)
If An Angel Came To See You Would You Make Her Feel At Home? (Atco, June 1972)
Raunch 'N' Roll Live (Atlantic, March 1973)
High on the Hog (Atco, November 1973)

Quicksilver Messenger Service :

Quicksilver Messenger Service (1968)
Happy Trails (1969)
Shady Grove (1969)
Just for Love (1970)
What About Me (1970)


 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:15 PM
since the article mentions beggars banquet i don't think he was talking about the first 5 albums but just 5 in a row during a career
 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:24 PM
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Little Feat:

Sailing Shoes
Dixie Chicken
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Last Record Album
Time Loves A Hero

Doobie Bros:

Toulouse Street
Captain & Me
Stampede
What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits
Takin' It To The Streets

Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road)

Bowie :

Space Oddity (originally titled man of music man of words) rereleased as Space Oddity when the single took off
during the Moon Landing)

Man who sold the world
Ziggy Stardust
Aladin Sane
Pinups
Diamond Dogs.




^Awesome calls!

To this I would add John Hiatt:

Bring the Family
Slow Turning
Stolen Moments
Perfectly Good Guitar
Walk On

Sorry, but I to laugh out loud at mere thought of "Black Oak Arkansas"

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:33 PM
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quote:

Little Feat:

Sailing Shoes
Dixie Chicken
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Last Record Album
Time Loves A Hero

Doobie Bros:

Toulouse Street
Captain & Me
Stampede
What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits
Takin' It To The Streets

Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road)

Bowie :

Space Oddity (originally titled man of music man of words) rereleased as Space Oddity when the single took off
during the Moon Landing)

Man who sold the world
Ziggy Stardust
Aladin Sane
Pinups
Diamond Dogs.




^Awesome calls!

To this I would add John Hiatt:

Bring the Family
Slow Turning
Stolen Moments
Perfectly Good Guitar
Walk On

Sorry, but I to laugh out loud at mere thought of "Black Oak Arkansas"



plus with black oak arkansas they counted a live album which this was just studio albums

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:33 PM
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I think that his intention was from a band's first album going forward. I think some of you are being tough on him.

It's Only R&R is a good album but doesn't match up with those before it. Plus he definitively ended at Black and Blue which is "bad".

I love Uriah Heep but they don't even have one truly "classic" record. Truth is that R&R history is leaving them behind. It is all taste but using examples given in the article, Heep doesn't come close to matching. If their first 5 were that good they would still be a classic rock staple.

Deep Purple's first albums sound nothing like what came later. Because of lineup changes, they have a hard time having 5 albums in a row all the same level.

It is not about liking an artist. It is whether that artist could maintain a consistant level.

My pick is the ABB. Even harder to believe as Duane passed before the 4th was released. Not many bands could lose such an important member and still managed the 5 album test.


I am really surprised by your post first off it is not a 5 lp test according to you but rather like in the article records sales,poularity,and overall greatness you better go look at dp and heeps concerts and record sales and both bands put most of the ones in the article to absolute shame on stage.. I saw DP's first live show in the US it was in LA at Creams last performance they opened and let me tell you people were blown away.. now I remember that but i could not tell you one thing about the stones concert i went to i was to bored as i was with their records GFR well they blew everyone out of the water and their first 5 are freekin great.. I guess it depends on what side of the fence you like ... I do not like the beatles, stones,but at that time i was listening to the Yardbirds, cream , hendrix, well you get the picture I stand by what i said the guy is a goofball....

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:36 PM
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quote:

Little Feat:

Sailing Shoes
Dixie Chicken
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Last Record Album
Time Loves A Hero

Doobie Bros:

Toulouse Street
Captain & Me
Stampede
What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits
Takin' It To The Streets

Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road)

Bowie :

Space Oddity (originally titled man of music man of words) rereleased as Space Oddity when the single took off
during the Moon Landing)

Man who sold the world
Ziggy Stardust
Aladin Sane
Pinups
Diamond Dogs.




^Awesome calls!

To this I would add John Hiatt:

Bring the Family
Slow Turning
Stolen Moments
Perfectly Good Guitar
Walk On

Sorry, but I to laugh out loud at mere thought of "Black Oak Arkansas"




your loss...great band & good people.Happens to be a fav. band of mine & i though this was how this wokked....sorry I have such low standards...someday maybe I'll have as good a taste & opinions as you.

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:37 PM
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Little Feat:

Sailing Shoes
Dixie Chicken
Feats Don't Fail Me Now
Last Record Album
Time Loves A Hero

Doobie Bros:

Toulouse Street
Captain & Me
Stampede
What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits
Takin' It To The Streets

Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road)

Bowie :

Space Oddity (originally titled man of music man of words) rereleased as Space Oddity when the single took off
during the Moon Landing)

Man who sold the world
Ziggy Stardust
Aladin Sane
Pinups
Diamond Dogs.




^Awesome calls!

To this I would add John Hiatt:

Bring the Family
Slow Turning
Stolen Moments
Perfectly Good Guitar
Walk On

Sorry, but I to laugh out loud at mere thought of "Black Oak Arkansas"



plus with black oak arkansas they counted a live album which this was just studio albums


They? I to be exact,anyway...,then replace it w/the next LP,"Street party"..like it also...

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:47 PM
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You forgot Hunky Dory. Which is also a good album. Bowie's stuff before Space was terrible.

Live 1974 is great but wouldn't exactly rank it among the classic albums of rock. Given its' sales I think that is a fair statement.


Doh, how can I forget Hunky Dory, Make that seven out of the gate.
Sorry to Bowie,Rono and Rick Wakeman!

The stuff before "Space Oddity" on Deram is hit or miss. Producers turing Bowie into
a pop star, and it didn't work. I like the real early stuff with "the Buzz" and "the lower third", Similar to early british invasion stuff, more Stones than Beatles. Bowie blew some mean sax in those days.

As for Heep's "Live 74" , I am not talking about sales, but about great music that was chaptered Live. The spirit of the time is in there, and it the music still holds up today.
I am on my second vinyl copy, wore the first one out!

The Critics hated Heep and that really hurt sales, but they survived that and are still going strong after 42 years. I can't wait for the new one on vinyl, it should ship on the 26th.

From "demons and wizards' to the end of the John Wetton era produced some very good if not great records.

FUN TOPIC!

 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 04:57 PM
heeps first 7 lp's the first was really sailsbury the first was different depending on what country you lived in but hey it is all fun right try these..

Look at Yourself 1971
Demons and Wizards 1972
Mercury Records (USA)
The Magician's Birthday 1972
Mercury Records (USA)
Sweet Freedom 1973
Warner Bros. (USA)
Wonderworld 1974

which of those is not a classic rock and roll LP?

DP's first 6

Shades of Deep Purple,
The Book of Taliesyn,
Deep Purple,
Mk IIa Deep Purple in Rock,
Fireball,
Machine Head,

3 of those are just plain rock and roll legends the other three have 3 top ten hits as well as the most progressive music of the time just sayin.. lol


 

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  posted on 7/21/2011 at 05:05 PM
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Blood Sugar Sex Magik (1991)
One Hot Minute (1995)
Californication (1999)
By the Way (2002)
Stadium Arcadium (2006)

Bob Dylan
World Gone Wrong
Time Out of Mind
Love and Theft
Modern Times
Together Through Life

Derek Trucks Band
Out of the Madness (1998)
Joyful Noise (2002)
Soul Serenade (2003)
Songlines (2006)
Already Free (2009)

 

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