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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 12:39 PM
How congress has the time to even deal with this is mindboggling and now after all of this build up they screw up like this. Leave it alone already. Arent there some other pressing matters for them to work on???



http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6768625/roger-clemens-trial-judge-declare s-mistrial

WASHINGTON -- The judge declared a mistrial Thursday in baseball star Roger Clemens' perjury trial after prosecutors showed jurors evidence that the judge had ruled out of bounds.

U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton said Clemens could not be assured a fair trial after prosecutors showed jurors evidence against his orders in the second day of testimony.
Walton scheduled a Sept. 2 hearing to determine whether to hold a new trial. Rusty Hardin, Clemens' attorney, said he needs until July 29 to file the motion for the hearing. The prosecution has until Aug. 2 to respond.

Walton told jurors he was sorry to have wasted their time and spent so much taxpayer money, only to call off the case.

"There are rules that we play by and those rules are designed to make sure both sides receive a fair trial," Walton told the jury, saying such ground rules are critically important when a person's liberty is at stake.

He said that because prosecutors broke his rules, "the ability with Mr. Clemens with this jury to get a fair trial with this jury would be very difficult if not impossible."

Prosecutors suggested the problem could be fixed with an instruction to the jury to disregard the evidence, but Walton seemed skeptical. He said he could never know what impact the evidence would have during the jury's deliberations "when we've got a man's liberty at interest."

"I don't see how I un-ring the bell," he said.







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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 12:50 PM
So he's a Govt Mule fan?

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 01:24 PM
Judge rules mistrial in Clemens case


Go figure

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 01:33 PM
What does congress have to do w/ a trial in federal court?

I know nothing about this case, but it sounds like this is a good judge.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 01:46 PM
Congress was putting Clemens on trial for lying / perjury when he voluntarily went before them - idiot - to say he never used steriods - sure you didn't - and the prosecution said things that may sway or remain in the jury's minds that he may be guilty by association - such as prior teammates admitting to steriod use.
My sister thinks the prosecution was paid off so a mistrial would happen and end this nonsense - not so sure about that but Clemens - all by himself - ruined his own reputation - may not have liked the person but the pitcher was a damn good one and will never now get to Cooperstown

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 02:02 PM
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What does congress have to do w/ a trial in federal court?

I know nothing about this case, but it sounds like this is a good judge.


My bad, Congress went after him but it is a federal trial. I just cant imagine how much money has been spent on this fiasco.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 02:06 PM
i hope they just let it go and save the money, perhaps if we used our brains would not need to raise the debt ceiling!!!
 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 04:38 PM
What a cluster#??/. Let it go and focus on resolving the debt issues. Just MHO.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 04:45 PM
Hope they don't f_ck up with the next jury. That arrogant moron Clemens deserves a nice hit to that over sized ego of his. If his ego was more important to him than testifying truthfully in front of Congress than he can deal with the consequences!

 

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  posted on 7/14/2011 at 11:20 PM
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Hope they don't f_ck up with the next jury. That arrogant moron Clemens deserves a nice hit to that over sized ego of his. If his ego was more important to him than testifying truthfully in front of Congress than he can deal with the consequences!


Not my tax dollars so I don't really care. But the hit to his ego and career happened long ago. No one believes him. He lied about sticking crap in his body and not someone elses. I wouldn't waste a cent on this guy as he doesn't deserve it and in all honesty there are worse criminals to worry about and better ways to spend your money.

The total combined costs of testing a guy like Lance Armstrong could likely feed a third world country. He has been tested countless times. At least he has passed the tests but still seems hard to believe. Clemens lied. Bonds lied. Big deal. Being a great player doesn't make you bright, they should have come clean but like a kid they stuck to their guns.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 08:01 AM
Its amazing Clemens got his head through Congress' doorways!

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 11:26 AM
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It's time. It's time.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 11:27 AM
My personal opinion is that Congress has no business investigating steroid use in baseball at all.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 11:38 AM
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Judge rules mistrial in Clemens case


Our long national nightmare is over.

 

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Disagree, as long as they have their antitrust exemption, someone has to watch over them.

 

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Hope they don't f_ck up with the next jury. That arrogant moron Clemens deserves a nice hit to that over sized ego of his. If his ego was more important to him than testifying truthfully in front of Congress than he can deal with the consequences!


Not my tax dollars so I don't really care. But the hit to his ego and career happened long ago. No one believes him. He lied about sticking crap in his body and not someone elses. I wouldn't waste a cent on this guy as he doesn't deserve it and in all honesty there are worse criminals to worry about and better ways to spend your money.

The total combined costs of testing a guy like Lance Armstrong could likely feed a third world country. He has been tested countless times. At least he has passed the tests but still seems hard to believe. Clemens lied. Bonds lied. Big deal. Being a great player doesn't make you bright, they should have come clean but like a kid they stuck to their guns.


So you just let him walk and let everybody know that you can lie to Congress if you want without any punishment??? He did lie through his teeth to Congress didn't he???

 

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Then Major League Baseball shouldn't get their unique antitrust law exemptions if Congress can't investigate them for crimes that they obviously were unable to control by themselves for years. The integrity of a game that so many people pay so much money into in this country and take so seriously shouldn't come into question and if they want special exemptions then they should be subject to special investigations when they are suspected of cheating.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 02:25 PM
Wonderful priorities we have in the United States. Finding out whether a professional athlete stuck needles in his ass, OR lied about it, is of huge importance. Prosecuting those from Citibank, Bank of America, Countrywide, Chase, Morgan Stanley, etc, who issued faulty mortgage-backed securities and threw this country into a financial mess that we may not recover from for decades does not seem to be of any importance.

 

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Wonderful priorities we have in the United States. Finding out whether a professional athlete stuck needles in his ass, OR lied about it, is of huge importance. Prosecuting those from Citibank, Bank of America, Countrywide, Chase, Morgan Stanley, etc, who issued faulty mortgage-backed securities and threw this country into a financial mess that we may not recover from for decades does not seem to be of any importance.


One shouldn't affect the other and we should be able to prosecute all of the above including Clemens for lying through his teeth to Congress. Or, take away the antitrust exemptions.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2011 at 03:18 PM
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My personal opinion is that Congress has no business investigating steroid use in baseball at all.


Disagree, as long as they have their antitrust exemption, someone has to watch over them.


I agree when it comes to business issues that impact on the anti-trust aspect. But steroid use was not a criminal act and they had no reason to investigate it. It was just grandstanding. That said I would do away with the anti-trust exemption. What is its purpose at this point?

 

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Then Major League Baseball shouldn't get their unique antitrust law exemptions if Congress can't investigate them for crimes that they obviously were unable to control by themselves for years. The integrity of a game that so many people pay so much money into in this country and take so seriously shouldn't come into question and if they want special exemptions then they should be subject to special investigations when they are suspected of cheating.


I would end the exemption but as I mentioned above these are violations of rules of the game not crimes. And Baseball is perfectly capable of investigating itself and should do so. Congress has more important things to do.

 

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Hope they don't f_ck up with the next jury. That arrogant moron Clemens deserves a nice hit to that over sized ego of his. If his ego was more important to him than testifying truthfully in front of Congress than he can deal with the consequences!


Not my tax dollars so I don't really care. But the hit to his ego and career happened long ago. No one believes him. He lied about sticking crap in his body and not someone elses. I wouldn't waste a cent on this guy as he doesn't deserve it and in all honesty there are worse criminals to worry about and better ways to spend your money.

The total combined costs of testing a guy like Lance Armstrong could likely feed a third world country. He has been tested countless times. At least he has passed the tests but still seems hard to believe. Clemens lied. Bonds lied. Big deal. Being a great player doesn't make you bright, they should have come clean but like a kid they stuck to their guns.


He probably won't be elected to the Hall of Fame, along with Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Barry Bonds, etc., which is probably the biggest hit he could take, and something that a complete control freak like him ultimately HAS no control over.

 

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LMFAO!

Good one, Leah!

 

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Hope they don't f_ck up with the next jury. That arrogant moron Clemens deserves a nice hit to that over sized ego of his. If his ego was more important to him than testifying truthfully in front of Congress than he can deal with the consequences!


Not my tax dollars so I don't really care. But the hit to his ego and career happened long ago. No one believes him. He lied about sticking crap in his body and not someone elses. I wouldn't waste a cent on this guy as he doesn't deserve it and in all honesty there are worse criminals to worry about and better ways to spend your money.

The total combined costs of testing a guy like Lance Armstrong could likely feed a third world country. He has been tested countless times. At least he has passed the tests but still seems hard to believe. Clemens lied. Bonds lied. Big deal. Being a great player doesn't make you bright, they should have come clean but like a kid they stuck to their guns.


So you just let him walk and let everybody know that you can lie to Congress if you want without any punishment??? He did lie through his teeth to Congress didn't he???


What punishment have McGwire, Sosa, and especially, Palmeiro suffered from lying to Congress?

For that matter, what punishment has BUD SELIG suffered as a result of him sitting in front Congress and saying with a straight face that Major League Baseball was losing money?

That's right, none of the above....

 

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My personal opinion is that Congress has no business investigating steroid use in baseball at all.



Then Major League Baseball shouldn't get their unique antitrust law exemptions if Congress can't investigate them for crimes that they obviously were unable to control by themselves for years. The integrity of a game that so many people pay so much money into in this country and take so seriously shouldn't come into question and if they want special exemptions then they should be subject to special investigations when they are suspected of cheating.


I would end the exemption but as I mentioned above these are violations of rules of the game not crimes. And Baseball is perfectly capable of investigating itself and should do so. Congress has more important things to do.


NO organization can effectively investigate itself. It is impossible to do so credibly.

 

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