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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 10:05 AM
The GOP golden boy looks more and more destined for recall.


By Craig Gilbert of the Journal Sentinel

May 25, 2011 |(292) Comments

Gov. Scott Walker’s approval rating fell to 43% in a statewide survey released Wednesday by Public Policy Polling, down slightly from where it was in a late February poll by the same firm.

In the survey of 1,636 Wisconsin voters taken May 19-22, 43% approved of Walker’s performance and 54% disapproved.

PPP last polled on Walker Feb. 24-27, in the early weeks of the fight over collective bargaining.

In that survey, 46% approved and 52% disapproved of Walker.

In the earlier February poll, Wisconsin voters were evenly divided 48% to 48% over whether Walker should be recalled or not.

In the new poll, 50% favored recalling Walker and 47% were opposed. The firm also polled on hypothetical recall election matchups, with former Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold leading Walker 52% to 42% in one matchup and Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett leading Walker 50% to 43% in another.

You can find the full results and the firm’s own analysis here.

Public Policy Polling is a North Carolina-based firm with a Democratic history and client list, though its 2010 election polls in Wisconsin did not appear to favor Democrats (they showed Republicans leading the contests for Senate and governor by bigger spreads than their eventual victory margins).

The firm said it did this poll for no client. PPP's polls use automated phone interviews. The margin of error in this poll is plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

 

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  posted on 7/13/2011 at 03:23 PM
I'm surprised it's still that high, should be way lower, he's ruining our Great State. Happy to see all the real Democrats won in last nights recall elections.
 

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I don't think the low-approval numbers will mean anything to Walker, just
as the protests outside his fortress from hundreds of thousands of people
didn't mean anything to him. When he's finally facing a recall election next year,
I think that's when he'll finally wake up, but by then it'll be too late.
He's been too busy taking his marching orders from the Koch Brothers
to care about anybody else.

The latest I read is that he's using prison labor to replace union jobs
in certain areas of the state.

 

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I don't think the low-approval numbers will mean anything to Walker, just
as the protests outside his fortress from hundreds of thousands of people
didn't mean anything to him. When he's finally facing a recall election next year,
I think that's when he'll finally wake up, but by then it'll be too late.
He's been too busy taking his marching orders from the Koch Brothers
to care about anybody else.

The latest I read is that he's using prison labor to replace union jobs
in certain areas of the state.


You can be certain that if he is recalled, the Koch Bros. will have a nice, cushy, well over 6 figure job all lined up for him.

That is, if he could actually handle his first REAL job.....

 

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Scotty the Koch whore was suppose to give some kind of speech in Racine on Tuesday at Gateway Technical Institute and he got booed and shouted off the stage.

 

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Oh those evil Koch brothers. Again, successful business people=enemy of the state (exaggeration obviously), apparently, but only when they have conservative views.

From what I have read with regard to why so many hate the Koch brothers, it seems that there is a provision in the legislation allowing the governor to sell Wisconsin power plants without going through a competitive bidding process first, supposedly allowing Koch Industries to purchase them on the cheap.

I will assume that is true for this argument. Although as I think about it, it doesn't make sense. The brothers spent two million dollars contributing to candidates nationwide during the 2010 election. And so as the argument goes, their priority was getting some cheap power plants in Wisconsin for a mere donation of $43,000 to Scott Walker? Its odd to see the faux outrage when that kind of money doesn't even get some of the big wigs in either party to pick up the phone.

Meanwhile, the President is having dinners in NYC at $31K a plate for the DNC. So who is he and the DNC taking their "marching orders" from, the bankers? Oh no, it must be that grassroots efforts. The college kids have been saving their nickels and came up with $31k for a night out in Harlem with the President.



 

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Oh those evil Koch brothers. Again, successful business people=enemy of the state (exaggeration obviously), apparently, but only when they have conservative views.

From what I have read with regard to why so many hate the Koch brothers, it seems that there is a provision in the legislation allowing the governor to sell Wisconsin power plants without going through a competitive bidding process first, supposedly allowing Koch Industries to purchase them on the cheap.

I will assume that is true for this argument. Although as I think about it, it doesn't make sense. The brothers spent two million dollars contributing to candidates nationwide during the 2010 election. And so as the argument goes, their priority was getting some cheap power plants in Wisconsin for a mere donation of $43,000 to Scott Walker? Its odd to see the faux outrage when that kind of money doesn't even get some of the big wigs in either party to pick up the phone.

Meanwhile, the President is having dinners in NYC at $31K a plate for the DNC. So who is he and the DNC taking their "marching orders" from, the bankers? Oh no, it must be that grassroots efforts. The college kids have been saving their nickels and came up with $31k for a night out in Harlem with the President.





How much do you know about the Koch brothers? Will you even entertain anything negative being said about them?

You say that there is an "anyone rich=bad" sentiment, is that in any way different from an "anyone rich=saintly and without fault" sentiment?

Is their total record on spending on political activities up for review? How about their lobbyist spending? Can we talk about that?

Are you really saying that only the Koch Brothers are being painted as "enemies of the state" only because they are conservative, while disregarding all of the things that have been said on the opposite side about George Soros? That don't wash.

 

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Oh those evil Koch brothers. Again, successful business people=enemy of the state (exaggeration obviously), apparently, but only when they have conservative views.

From what I have read with regard to why so many hate the Koch brothers, it seems that there is a provision in the legislation allowing the governor to sell Wisconsin power plants without going through a competitive bidding process first, supposedly allowing Koch Industries to purchase them on the cheap.

I will assume that is true for this argument. Although as I think about it, it doesn't make sense. The brothers spent two million dollars contributing to candidates nationwide during the 2010 election. And so as the argument goes, their priority was getting some cheap power plants in Wisconsin for a mere donation of $43,000 to Scott Walker? Its odd to see the faux outrage when that kind of money doesn't even get some of the big wigs in either party to pick up the phone.

Meanwhile, the President is having dinners in NYC at $31K a plate for the DNC. So who is he and the DNC taking their "marching orders" from, the bankers? Oh no, it must be that grassroots efforts. The college kids have been saving their nickels and came up with $31k for a night out in Harlem with the President.





I suggest you do a couple simple google searches and find out about their environmental record. They have a long history of toxic chemical dumps and discharges into rivers. In my book anyone who causes irreversible environmental damage in the name of profit over the period of years they have done so, is a scum bag, period.

 

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I suggest you do a couple simple google searches and find out about their environmental record. They have a long history of toxic chemical dumps and discharges into rivers. In my book anyone who causes irreversible environmental damage in the name of profit over the period of years they have done so, is a scum bag, period.


Yes, I have done a few, and I believe many are addicted to Koch, just like those addicted to Soros. They make for a nice boogeyman (or men I guess). The Koch's seem to be free market, libertarians who oppose Obama’s policies, so that makes them polluting, anti-global warming, anti-science whores. Yet, both held master’s degrees from MIT and ran successful companies that refined oil, produced chemicals, and manufactured polymers.

And, no, there record is not clean. In the 1990s in particular they had to settle several lawsuits with the government. Oil had spilled and leaked from pipelines into bodies of water. Two teenagers had been killed when an underground butane pipeline ruptured. An employee at the Corpus Christi refinery had covered up illegal discharges of benzene, etc.

They have since adopted new compliance standards and actually compare favorably to other industries who make stuff. Any company that makes stuff is going to emit greenhouse gases and have incidents over a nearly 80 years period. That’s where I don’t quite understand the demonization of them. They employ a lot of people who make or produce stuff. Isn’t that what everyone is griping about in this country, that we don’t produce anything anymore, and that we dont have jobs?

Another something I found on my google search at your suggestion:

On July 25, 2000, Clinton’s EPA sent a letter to Charles Koch congratulating his company on plans to reduce emissions at the Pine Bend and Corpus Christi refineries. “I appreciate that Koch took the initiative to work with EPA to develop an agreement that would advance the common interests of Koch, EPA, and the general public,” wrote Office of Regulatory Enforcement director Eric V. Schaeffer. “The Koch representatives were outstanding in their cooperation throughout the negotiation process.” None other than Janet Reno said she was “pleased” with the agreement. Koch’s cooperation, said then-EPA administrator Carol Browner (now President Obama’s climate czar), was “unprecedented.”

 

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That’s where I don’t quite understand the demonization of them.


You're kidding.

 

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For me it's very simple. They are 2 of the most unethical human beings who have ever walked on the face of the earth. That is why I demonize them.

 

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I suggest you do a couple simple google searches and find out about their environmental record. They have a long history of toxic chemical dumps and discharges into rivers. In my book anyone who causes irreversible environmental damage in the name of profit over the period of years they have done so, is a scum bag, period.


Yes, I have done a few, and I believe many are addicted to Koch, just like those addicted to Soros. They make for a nice boogeyman (or men I guess). The Koch's seem to be free market, libertarians who oppose Obama’s policies, so that makes them polluting, anti-global warming, anti-science whores. Yet, both held master’s degrees from MIT and ran successful companies that refined oil, produced chemicals, and manufactured polymers.

And, no, there record is not clean. In the 1990s in particular they had to settle several lawsuits with the government. Oil had spilled and leaked from pipelines into bodies of water. Two teenagers had been killed when an underground butane pipeline ruptured. An employee at the Corpus Christi refinery had covered up illegal discharges of benzene, etc.

They have since adopted new compliance standards and actually compare favorably to other industries who make stuff. Any company that makes stuff is going to emit greenhouse gases and have incidents over a nearly 80 years period. That’s where I don’t quite understand the demonization of them. They employ a lot of people who make or produce stuff. Isn’t that what everyone is griping about in this country, that we don’t produce anything anymore, and that we dont have jobs?

Another something I found on my google search at your suggestion:

On July 25, 2000, Clinton’s EPA sent a letter to Charles Koch congratulating his company on plans to reduce emissions at the Pine Bend and Corpus Christi refineries. “I appreciate that Koch took the initiative to work with EPA to develop an agreement that would advance the common interests of Koch, EPA, and the general public,” wrote Office of Regulatory Enforcement director Eric V. Schaeffer. “The Koch representatives were outstanding in their cooperation throughout the negotiation process.” None other than Janet Reno said she was “pleased” with the agreement. Koch’s cooperation, said then-EPA administrator Carol Browner (now President Obama’s climate czar), was “unprecedented.”



Jim, with all due respect, the perception of them is that feel that they have entitlement to power and through their actions over the years, have shown to be absolutely ruthless in their pursuit of complete market dominance. There is a difference between being a "free marketer" and using every bit of your financial resources - including bribing politically elected officials, many in other states - with the express intent of obliterating your competition. That is called monopolisitic, robber-baron type behavior, and almost always results in REDUCING free market competition, resulting in higher prices for the consumer due to reduced competition. There's a reason that anti-trust laws have been put in place - because they are absolutely necessary.

They kind of remind of the Hunt Brothers, who tried to corner the silver market back in the '70s and '80s, causing many to lose their fortunes, and which they were convicted for: http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2000/hunt_bros.html.

Unfortunately, in today's business climate, this type of behavior seems to be celebrated, instead of vilified.

That is the exact opposite of free market theory and is the definition of abuse of power. They have acted like bullies for a long time, and seem to be proud of it. And everyone knows what eventually happens to bullies.....

Just my .02....

 

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You're kidding.


No, I am not. I know why there is a paranoid style over people like the Koch’s, George Soros, etc. However, if you actually take the time to dig a little deeper, it’s pretty obvious the aforementioned people are not Satan, as many would have us belief. Heck, Pete told me to do a google search and I was able to find things like the current climate czar applauding them for their efforts to deal with the issues at their plants.

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For me it's very simple. They are 2 of the most unethical human beings who have ever walked on the face of the earth. That is why I demonize them.



According to the Clinton's EPA they were not so unethical, and not according to Carol Browner. According to her (Obama climate czar) their cooperation in meeting standards after their fck ups in the 90s was "unprecendented".

So because they espouse a different political and economic ideal, they are the most unethical human beings on earth? Or just because they ran a successful business means they exploit their workers?

Maybe the term "enemy" wasn't so far fetched on my part after all.


 

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You are the enemy Jim.

 

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You are the enemy Jim.


Um, can someone tell Lana that my wife hacked Brendan's account?

We need to go out drinking soon, but I have to take my series 7 and 63 first. Just found that out last week. Ugh!

 

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You are the enemy Jim.


Um, can someone tell Lana that my wife hacked Brendan's account?

We need to go out drinking soon, but I have to take my series 7 and 63 first. Just found that out last week. Ugh!
Ugggh. Have fun with that...

 

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Not trying to be a wise ass Rich, but have they been prosecuted for this type of thing, or has the elected official, sounds like a Blago type deal? I actually do not know. Or are you referncing the $43k donation to Scott Walker to allegedly buy power plants on the cheap? That $43k is less than one tenth of one percent of Walkers total.

They employ nearly 50,000 people in this country and another 20,000 worldwide. Do we want them to go away?

 

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Ugggh. Have fun with that...


yeah, I think I'd rather have that woman in LA drug me, then chop off my penis and throw it in the garbage disposal.....well maybe not.

 

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They employ nearly 50,000 people in this country and another 20,000 worldwide. Do we want them to go away?



No, they can do whatever they want. Obviously they are above reproach.

 

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Not trying to be a wise ass Rich, but have they been prosecuted for this type of thing, or has the elected official, sounds like a Blago type deal? I actually do not know. Or are you referncing the $43k donation to Scott Walker to allegedly buy power plants on the cheap? That $43k is less than one tenth of one percent of Walkers total.

They employ nearly 50,000 people in this country and another 20,000 worldwide. Do we want them to go away?



No just become better stewards of the land they own and quit poisoning people to make a profit.

 

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No just become better stewards of the land they own and quit poisoning people to make a profit.


They already have, allegedly, as is evidenced by the Clinton's EPA letter that was sent, which I referenced earlier.

With what, and where, are they poisoning people? Or are you alluding to the 90s, which I mentioned earlier?

 

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They already have, allegedly, as is evidenced by the Clinton's EPA letter that was sent, which I referenced earlier.

With what, and where, are they poisoning people? Or are you alluding to the 90s, which I mentioned earlier?


In 2007, Koch Nitrogen's plant in Enid, Oklahoma, was listed as the third highest company releasing toxic chemicals in Oklahoma, according to the EPA, ranking behind Perma-Fix Environmental Services in Tulsa and Weyerhaeuser Co. in Valliant.[43] The facility produces about 10% of the US national production of anhydrous ammonia, as well as urea and UAN.[44]

In 2010, Koch Industries was ranked 10th on the list of top US corporate air polluters, the “Toxic 100 Air Polluters,” by the Political Economic Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.[45]

 

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In 2007, Koch Nitrogen's plant in Enid, Oklahoma, was listed as the third highest company releasing toxic chemicals in Oklahoma, according to the EPA, ranking behind Perma-Fix Environmental Services in Tulsa and Weyerhaeuser Co. in Valliant.[43] The facility produces about 10% of the US national production of anhydrous ammonia, as well as urea and UAN.[44]

In 2010, Koch Industries was ranked 10th on the list of top US corporate air polluters, the “Toxic 100 Air Polluters,” by the Political Economic Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.[45]


Pete, while I am not a fan of pollution either, but the paranoia around these people is a tad blown out of proportion. What you mentioned will happen when you run a successful companies that make something, namely refined oil, chemicals, and polymers. It doesn’t make them Montgomery Burns, or whores. They have also done quite a bit of good things to try to improve their operations. Their corporate headquarters were singled out for energy efficiency and environmental protection, and many of their other plants were also given awards for clean air, but that is completely ignored by those who think they are the problem in this country. It’s not the Koch’s who are the problem in this country. It’s all a distraction. A few years ago it was ExxonMobil who was the biggest baddest evil folks out there; now it’s the Koch’s. For the right, a few years ago, it was Michael Moore, now its George Soros. So the Koch’s were named in the top ten. So was Ford, Boeing, Apple, Alcoa, and others, yet there is no venom directed at Steve Jobs or Ford like there is at the Koch’s. I guess we all like iPods and cars.

All of this vilification of people like Soros, the Koch’s, etc reminds me of Arafat yelling and screaming about how the jews and US were keeping the Palestinians enslaved, while the US actually sent billions to the Palestinians in aid, and he stole it and his wife lived high on the hog in Paris shopping at Hermes, while his people that he cares sooo much about rot in the street.

 

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So was Ford, Boeing, Apple, Alcoa, and others, yet there is no venom directed at Steve Jobs or Ford like there is at the Koch’s.


Are any of the entities you list as politically active as the Kochs? Have any of those other entities spent anywhere close to the amount of money the Kochs have spent on political activities, including but not limited to the massive amounts of money given to policy think tanks, the factories where talking points are made?

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It’s not the Koch’s who are the problem in this country.


This is like the old "Bush-bashing" canard. By mocking the idea that anyone be held responsible or answerable for anything, you hold them responsible or answerable to nothing.

 

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Are any of the entities you list as politically active as the Kochs? Have any of those other entities spent anywhere close to the amount of money the Kochs have spent on political activities, including but not limited to the massive amounts of money given to policy think tanks, the factories where talking points are made?


yeah, Ford doesn't have a PAC. And I am sure Apple and others have zero strategy to engage in the political process with a view that supports the long term interests of Apple.

Okay you guys win; the Koch's are responsible for the massive government debt; they are responsible for the world of hurt the states are in, and everything else because they make political donations to those who share in their same ideal that they do. Its makes them whores, and shtheads. Shut them down.

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This is like the old "Bush-bashing" canard. By mocking the idea that anyone be held responsible or answerable for anything, you hold them responsible or answerable to nothing.


I never made that leap. So they are not responsible or answerable to anyone or anything, yet, they have paid fines to the tunes of tens of millions, have been put on probation, and have even pled guility in some cases to the charges. If everyone, including the government, thinks they are such a problem, then they should be shut down entirely.

 
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