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  posted on 7/9/2011 at 04:35 PM
Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann is standing firm behind a pledge she signed Thursday that promotes marriage and social conservative values, but includes a passage in the opening statement of a two-page document that suggests black families were in better shape during slavery.

The Family Leader, an Iowa-based conservative group led by Bob Vander Plaats, issued the document formally called, "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage and Family."


The "candidate vow" portion of the pledge on the second page condemns gay marriage, abortion, pornography and infidelity. But perhaps the most controversial part can be found in the preamble on the first page comparing the state of the black family in the slave era to today.

"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," the opening statement reads.

It's not clear whether Bachmann was aware of the slavery passage on the first page. Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for the Bachmann campaign, told FoxNews.com that the Minnesota congresswoman has no second thoughts about signing the "candidate vow" portion that doesn't mention slavery.

"She stands by the points that are outlined in the pledge," she said. "Particularly the ones for strong marriage. She's been happily married for 32 years. That's the focus of the pledge."

But some commentators have focused their criticism on the slavery passage.

"Given that families were broken up regularly for sales during slavery and that rape by masters was pretty common, this could not be more offensive," Cheryl Contee wrote on her blog, Jack and Jill Politics, which offers a middle class African-American take on politics.

"When will Republicans inquire with actual Black people whether or now we're ok with invoking slavery to score cheap political points?" she added. "It has to stop. It is the opposite of persuasive and is another reason Republicans repel. It's hard to believe that Michele Bachmann would be foolish enough to sign this pledge."

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, another GOP presidential hopeful, also signed the pledge. But it's not clear whether he agrees with the slavery passage because his campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

But Santorum has invited controversy before by linking slavery to abortion. In January, he questioned why Obama is denying civil rights to fetuses by supporting abortion rights. He told the Christian Broadcasting Network that for decades, slavery allowed blacks to be treated like property. He said fetuses are denied the right to life because they are considered property.

The Family Leader did not reply to an email seeking comment. But Vander Plaats, who is known as a kingmaker in Iowa, has said that the pledge is an opportunity to fulfill the group's mission of strengthening families.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," he said in a statement. "We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/michele-bachmann-rick-san_n_893523 .html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/09/bachmann-stands-by-marriage-pledge-that-links-slavery-to-black-family-values/#[/url]ixzz1Re5k7hCr


Link to the actual document;
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/84064937/The-Marriage-Vow


And people really think she’s a serious contender?????

[Edited on 7/9/2011 by er1016]

 

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  posted on 7/9/2011 at 06:06 PM
Do some of these people even have a clue about anything???!!!

 

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  posted on 7/9/2011 at 06:40 PM
This bimbo is "scary stupid", but whats really scary is, there are plenty of people in this country who will vote for her, over obama.

 

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...and all those votes for the mystery man of hope and change was scary enough.

 

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...and all those votes for the mystery man of hope and change was scary enough.


Yeah, yeah, we know.....bimbos good, Obama bad....we get it.

 

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Bachmann Stands By Marriage Pledge That Links Slavery to Black Family Values


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Sure. Why not?

 

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Sure. Why not?


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  posted on 7/10/2011 at 12:36 AM
Conservative Group Removes Slavery Language From Marriage Pledge Amid Controversy



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58631.html

 

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Republican presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann is standing firm behind a pledge she signed Thursday that promotes marriage and social conservative values, but includes a passage in the opening statement of a two-page document that suggests black families were in better shape during slavery.

The Family Leader, an Iowa-based conservative group led by Bob Vander Plaats, issued the document formally called, "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage and Family."


The "candidate vow" portion of the pledge on the second page condemns gay marriage, abortion, pornography and infidelity. But perhaps the most controversial part can be found in the preamble on the first page comparing the state of the black family in the slave era to today.

"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," the opening statement reads.

It's not clear whether Bachmann was aware of the slavery passage on the first page. Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for the Bachmann campaign, told FoxNews.com that the Minnesota congresswoman has no second thoughts about signing the "candidate vow" portion that doesn't mention slavery.

"She stands by the points that are outlined in the pledge," she said. "Particularly the ones for strong marriage. She's been happily married for 32 years. That's the focus of the pledge."

But some commentators have focused their criticism on the slavery passage.

"Given that families were broken up regularly for sales during slavery and that rape by masters was pretty common, this could not be more offensive," Cheryl Contee wrote on her blog, Jack and Jill Politics, which offers a middle class African-American take on politics.

"When will Republicans inquire with actual Black people whether or now we're ok with invoking slavery to score cheap political points?" she added. "It has to stop. It is the opposite of persuasive and is another reason Republicans repel. It's hard to believe that Michele Bachmann would be foolish enough to sign this pledge."

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, another GOP presidential hopeful, also signed the pledge. But it's not clear whether he agrees with the slavery passage because his campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

But Santorum has invited controversy before by linking slavery to abortion. In January, he questioned why Obama is denying civil rights to fetuses by supporting abortion rights. He told the Christian Broadcasting Network that for decades, slavery allowed blacks to be treated like property. He said fetuses are denied the right to life because they are considered property.

The Family Leader did not reply to an email seeking comment. But Vander Plaats, who is known as a kingmaker in Iowa, has said that the pledge is an opportunity to fulfill the group's mission of strengthening families.

"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," he said in a statement. "We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/michele-bachmann-rick-san_n_893523 .html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/09/bachmann-stands-by-marriage-pledge-that-links-slavery-to-black-family-values/#[/url]ixzz1Re5k7hCr


Link to the actual document;
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/84064937/The-Marriage-Vow


And people really think she’s a serious contender?????

[Edited on 7/9/2011 by er1016]


With all of the things that are gonna happen between now and the election I don't think anyone will even remember this incident.....

Where did this woman go to school and where did she study black history???

 

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She attended Oral Roberts University where, I think, she got her law degree....which, as has been proven in the past, to be a lousy law school.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2011 at 12:05 PM
IMHO this will be one of a series of things that will follow Bachmann .... Some of her supporters will read her signing onto this pledge as code for the position they want to hear... anti-black, anti-gay anti-anything but what they think is right

Her detractors will see this as further confirmation of her ignorance, insensitivity, arrogance and racism...


God help us if this is one of the best candidates for president this country can produce...







 

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"The Family Leader views this pledge as an important component needed to inform constituents about the personal stand that each presidential candidate takes regarding marriage," he said in a statement. "We believe that the candidates' positions on core values, such as marriage, correlate directly to his/her moral stances on energy issues, sound budgeting policies, national defense, and economic policies."


Snore. Signing a document that says you are anti-pornography means you have a moral stance on energy issues and national defense?


 

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IMHO this will be one of a series of things that will follow Bachmann .... Some of her supporters will read her signing onto this pledge as code for the position they want to hear... anti-black, anti-gay anti-anything but what they think is right




Maybe she's been reading Hilter's "Mein Kampf"

 

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is it possible that document was in the middle of a pile of papers some aide put in front of her and told her to sign?

I can't imagine anyone willfully signing that after actually reading it.

 

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There you have it.....she probably was told what it was and immediately embraced it as something she could support and never read it. I doubt she reads anything before she shoots off her mouth or signs it!

 

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I'd bet she read it and agrees with it.

 

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TIR Poll: Bachmann Overtakes Romney in Iowa

By Craig Robinson
The Iowa Republican "News For Republicans, By Republicans"

Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann has surpassed former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in a recent Iowa poll that was conducted by TheIowaRepublican.com. With Bachmann now leading in Iowa, Romney has fallen to second place, but he is still well ahead of third place finisher Tim Pawlenty, who has overtaken Herman Cain my a miniscule margin.

Bachmann received support from 25 percent of likely Iowa caucus goers in the poll, while Romney is backed by 21 percent. The poll also shows signs of growth for former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, who now stands in third place in statistical tie with Herman Cain at just under nine percent. Ron Paul finished with six percent, Newt Gingrich with four percent, Rick Santorum with two percent, and Jon Huntsman rounded out the field with one percent.

Bachmann’s campaign has taken off like a rocket since participating and announcing her presidential intentions during the CNN debate in New Hampshire last month. Here in Iowa, Bachmann has been playing up her Iowa roots. She officially announced her candidacy in Waterloo, the town in which she was born and spent her formative years. The night before she made her announcement, Bachmann’s campaign hosted a rally for 500 locals who came to welcome her home.

While Bachmann’s lead over Romney is just within the margin of error, the poll’s cross tabs show how much momentum her campaign has generated in Iowa. Her favorability is ten points higher than Romney’s, who had the second highest number in that category. Her unfavorable figure is 14 points lower than Romney’s, giving her a stellar plus 65 favorability margin. Her numbers suggest that Bachmann has found a very effective way to appeal to caucus goers.

The candidate with the next highest favorable/unfavorable spread is Tim Pawlenty with a plus 48 margin. Like Bachmann, Pawlenty is well liked by caucus goers, but he has found it more difficult to move his overall polling number in the state. Pawlenty finished in third place in the poll by edgeing out Herman Cain, 8.8 percent to 8.5 percent. Pawlenty’s numbers have increased since the Des Moines Register poll showed him at 6 percent. A major factor could be the radio and television ads the Pawlenty campaign has been airing in the past few weeks.

To date, the race has not yet developed into an ideological contest. Caucus goers do not currently appear to be ranking the candidates according to the way they view them ideologically, but to the extent they are perceived as popular, and therefore electable. This is perhaps not as surprising as one might think because no one is running as the moderate in the race.

Candidates with a relatively moderate record are going out of their way to apologize for their past positions on issues and trying to present themselves as conservatively as they can. It appears that, right now, most all of the candidates have been successful in this regard. As a result, it is not surprising that the opinions of caucus goers are not being shaped by their relative ideologies because most of the candidates seem to have similar positions. That is not to say that this won’t change, but it simply has not yet happened. As the campaign intensifies and the candidates try to sharpen their differences, the race may very well be reshaped as the caucuses approach.

While ideology has yet to play a role in the caucus landscape, there are some other interesting inferences to keep and eye on to see if they hold true. For example, there are virtually no gender differences on the head-to-head question. Specifically, women are no more or less likely to vote for a female candidate than men are.

Mitt Romney is considered to be the candidate best versed in business and the economy, yet his expertise in those areas is not currently giving him an advantage. Among those who mention the economy as a top concern, Romney’s share of support is not significantly different than it is among those who rank other issue areas higher than the economy.

The one candidate who does substantially better on a certain issue set is Bachmann, who scores well with people who mention border security as a top concern. She garners a 36 percent vote share in this group compared to 25 percent among the sample as a whole. What is interesting is that Bachmann has rarely talked about this issue as a candidate, but her close ties to Congressman Steve King may be helping her with those who are passionate about the issue. Still, relatively few people mentioned border security as a top concern in the poll.

It is also clear that the media’s coverage of the candidates matters greatly. Where people learn about the candidates affects how they feel about them. In 2008, Romney ran across some talk radio hosts who didn’t care for him. More generally, very conservative activists tend to get more of their information from talk radio and from Internet sources. You can see this trend in the current survey.

Unlike many other elections, caucus participants still mention the evening news as their primary source of information, and many still mention newspaper news, probably reflecting the fact that caucus participants are generally older. Relatively few respondents mention the Internet as their primary source of information.

Candidates who do well among people who mention the Internet as a source of information include Herman Cain, who gets a 13 percent share of the vote among internetters, compared to 9 percent in the sample as a whole. Bachmann does equally well in all audiences, regardless of their source of information. Romney, however, still has a talk radio problem. The following table shows his share of the vote in the sample as a whole and compares it to caucus participants arranged by their preferred source of information.

Finally, it’s also interesting to see where the candidates are garnering the most support. Bachmann is currently enjoying the most widespread support in the state. She garners the most support in all of Iowa’s media markets except for Sioux City, where Romney leads. She performed the best in the Davenport media market, which is interesting because she has not campaigned there much, but neither has anyone else. The Davenport area was a Romney stronghold four years ago.

The poll also asked respondents who they supported in the last caucus cycle. This allowed us to see how well candidates appeal to supporters of previous candidates. Of those who said they supported Huckabee in 2008, Bachmann got 28 percent. She did even better with those who supported Fred Thompson by garnering 40 percent of his former supporters. Bachmann performed well with McCain voters as well – 24 percent of those who caucused for him in 2008, said they are backing her.

The poll clearly indicates that Bachmann has hit a chord with Iowans. Her campaign has enjoyed a tremendous amount of media coverage since she stepped foot on the debate stage in New Hampshire just over three weeks ago. As the clear Iowa frontrunner, Bachmann must now cement her position at the front of the pack by winning the Ames Straw Poll next month.

With Romney not participating in the straw poll, Bachmann’s lead over the rest of the field is substantial as she is ahead of Pawlenty and Cain by 16 points. She has also raised her expectations by embracing her Iowa roots. Not only is Bachmann the Iowa frontrunner, but she has constantly reminded Iowans that she’s one of them at every campaign stop. While it didn’t take her long to shoot to the top of the polls, winning in Ames and later in the caucuses themselves requires a massive ground game. If she has one area of weakness, that would be it.







About the poll:

Voter/Consumer Research conducted the poll by telephone interviews between the dates of June 26th and June 30th. It has a sample size of 500 likely caucus goers, and has a margin of error of ± 4.4 percent. Dr. Jan van Lohuizen, an expert in the field of public policy and public opinion research, founded Voter/Consumer Research. Dr. van Lohuizen was President George W. Bush’s primary pollster and has provided his services to a number of political candidates, corporations, and various think tanks. This is the third Iowa poll Dr. van Lohuizen has conducted for TheIowaRepublican.com.

The poll was commissioned by TheIowaRepublican.com and The Iowa Republican magazine. Craig Robinson founded both entities in 2009. Robinson was the Political Director of the Republican Party of Iowa in 2007. In that capacity, he organized both the 2007 Iowa Straw Poll and 2008 Iowa Caucuses.

http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/tir-poll-bachmann-overtakes-romney-in-iow a/


 

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  posted on 7/11/2011 at 12:56 PM
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This bimbo is "scary stupid", but whats really scary is, there are plenty of people in this country who will vote for her, over obama.


I'd about vote for that fly sitting on the pill over Obama at this point.

 

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is it possible that document was in the middle of a pile of papers some aide put in front of her and told her to sign?

I can't imagine anyone willfully signing that after actually reading it.


It would be awfully stupid of her campaign to have her sign something they have not
completely read.

but George Bush, The Goofy Child President, proved stupidity is not an impediment to winning a Presidential Race.

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This bimbo is "scary stupid", but whats really scary is, there are plenty of people in this country who will vote for her, over obama.


I'd about vote for that fly sitting on the pill over Obama at this point.


And there you have it...

 

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well then, if she read it and signed it, she's ignorant, which trumps stupidity in that she should know better. "Should" being the operative word and stupid being just not having the brains God gave the fly on the pill...

if she didn't read it and signed it, she's ignorant.

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This bimbo is "scary stupid", but whats really scary is, there are plenty of people in this country who will vote for her, over obama.


I'd about vote for that fly sitting on the pill over Obama at this point.


And there you have it...


I don't think the Obama camp really expects to carry the goat lover voting block.

I wonder how many liberal voters will be fooled by just another corporate owned democrat this time around??

He sold out on Heathcare and medical marijuana. How much more prove do they need?

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is it possible that document was in the middle of a pile of papers some aide put in front of her and told her to sign?

I can't imagine anyone willfully signing that after actually reading it.


It would be awfully stupid of her campaign to have her sign something they have not
completely read.

but George Bush, The Goofy Child President, proved stupidity is not an impediment to winning a Presidential Race.

[Edited on 7/11/2011 by spacemonkey]


Barack Obama proved that lack of credentials is not an impediment to winning a Presidential race.

 

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