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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 10:47 AM
Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant 253

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John Lennon John Lennon was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals, according to his former assistant.


John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star's last personal assistant.

Fred Seaman worked alongside the music legend from 1979 to Lennon's death at the end of 1980 and he reveals the star was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals who reminded him of his former self.

In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasn't the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.

He says, "John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.

"He'd met Reagan back, I think, in the 70s at some sporting event... Reagan was the guy who had ordered the National Guard, I believe, to go after the young (peace) demonstrators in Berkeley, so I think that John maybe forgot about that... He did express support for Reagan, which shocked me.

"I also saw John embark in some really brutal arguments with my uncle, who's an old-time communist... He enjoyed really provoking my uncle... Maybe he was being provocative... but it was pretty obvious to me he had moved away from his earlier radicalism.

"He was a very different person back in 1979 and 80 than he'd been when he wrote Imagine. By 1979 he looked back on that guy and was embarrassed by that guy's naivete."
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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 11:21 AM
Lennon voting for Reagan? I'd have never guessed he was such an extremist. He must not have been as smart as everybody thought.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 11:58 AM
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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 12:09 PM
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Lennon voting for Reagan? I'd have never guessed he was such an extremist. He must not have been as smart as everybody thought.


There goes the whole conservatives not having any decent song writers argument.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 01:32 PM
What John Lennon was, was an "individualist", and he very much thought that people should think and act for themselves, and not trust politicians, or others to do the work for them, and that sounds like good advice to me. My guess is that if Lennon was still living, he would probably be somewhat of a Liberterian

Btw, here's one on Lennon's quote

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Produce your own dream,Ē he advised in lieu of getting involved in politics. ďIf you want to save Peru, go save Peru. Itís quite possible to do anything, but not if you put it on the leaders and the parking meters. Donít expect Carter or Reagan or John Lennon or Yoko Ono or Bob Dylan or Jesus Christ to come and do it for you. You have to do it yourself.


Btw, another famous rocker who admired Reagan was Neil Young.

 

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Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant 253

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First posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:35:03 EDT PM
John Lennon John Lennon was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals, according to his former assistant.


John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star's last personal assistant.

Fred Seaman worked alongside the music legend from 1979 to Lennon's death at the end of 1980 and he reveals the star was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals who reminded him of his former self.

In new documentary Beatles Stories, Seaman tells filmmaker Seth Swirsky Lennon wasn't the peace-loving militant fans thought he was while he was his assistant.

He says, "John, basically, made it very clear that if he were an American he would vote for Reagan because he was really sour on (Democrat) Jimmy Carter.

"He'd met Reagan back, I think, in the 70s at some sporting event... Reagan was the guy who had ordered the National Guard, I believe, to go after the young (peace) demonstrators in Berkeley, so I think that John maybe forgot about that... He did express support for Reagan, which shocked me.

"I also saw John embark in some really brutal arguments with my uncle, who's an old-time communist... He enjoyed really provoking my uncle... Maybe he was being provocative... but it was pretty obvious to me he had moved away from his earlier radicalism.

"He was a very different person back in 1979 and 80 than he'd been when he wrote Imagine. By 1979 he looked back on that guy and was embarrassed by that guy's naivete."
H/T Toronto Sun


Hmmmmm.....Other than the fact that Lennon is not alive to verify that
he was a fan of The Gipper, I'm also wondering if anything that
Fred Seaman says about Lennon can be taken with anything other
than a grain of salt...

LENNON'S PERSONAL ASSISTANT ASKS FORGIVENESS FOR STEALING
HUNDREDS OF THE LATE BEATLE'S PHOTGRAPHS AND LETTERS

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/sep/28/arts.artsnews


 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 02:16 PM
Don't like the story attack the source.......hmmmmm where have I seen/heard this before.

IDK you may be right, someone does something 8 years ago and that nullifies their credibility for the remainder of their lives.


[Edited on 6/29/2011 by er1016]

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 02:33 PM
I have no opinion one way or another on exactly what politicians John Lennon liked or not... I could care less.

But as a Beatlologist, I will have to say that Fred Seaman is NOT a reliable source and of course the whole statement is twisting John's thoughts and ideas that were always changing anyway.

Lastly, just because you like a republican candidate doesn't make you a "republican". Not considering myself republican or democratic, I am not trying to take sides, I am just pointing out what I see in articles lilke these.


 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 02:55 PM


[quote[ I will have to say that Fred Seaman is NOT a reliable source


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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 03:05 PM
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John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star's last personal assistant.



Fred Seaman's OPINION does not necessarily make it a fact.
my 2 cents..

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 03:05 PM
Yet nothing has been presented that directly disproves the actual claim in the OP other than opinion. Again, Don't like the story attack the source....... Just saying





[Edited on 6/29/2011 by er1016]

 

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Yet nothing has been presented that directly disproves the actual claim in the OP other than opinion. Again, Don't like the story attack the source....... Just saying

[Edited on 6/29/2011 by er1016]


If I was interviewed and said "I knew John Lennon and he once said to me that he hated burritos". Then someone writes an article stating JOHN LENNON DISGUSTED WITH ALL MEXICAN FOOD. What can really disprove the claim? You'd have to go through countless hours of interviews to find John Lennon saying "I love burritos".

Not to mention I think it WOULD be fair to discredit the source on that subject... what business do I have, even if I knew Lennon really well, preaching his thoughts 31 years after his death? If Lennon really hated burritos enough that he wanted the world to know it, he would have been preaching that before he died.

I have already stated that I have no problem with the statement. In fact I think it's quite probable that John Lennon liked Ronald Reagan and maybe I have even read that he had publicly said that somewhere. I even could care less if Lennon was a Democrat or a Republican... what his political beliefs were back then are pointless to my feelings towards anything...

but what I am disputing is that

#1) I am trying to discredit the source simply because I don't like that statement... because that is untrue. My initial point was just to share my perception on the article.

#2) That any of this really makes any difference with anything at this point. Unfortunately John Lennon is dead. There is no telling for sure what he'd be feeling about anything if he were alive. I know I personally view things very differently than 31 years ago.

If you really need me to back up my claim about Fred Seaman being an unreliable source, I can do that. I don't particularly want to make a big project out of this though...

Lastly, I mean all of this good-naturedly and am not trying to get into any big debate here, it's hard to get a good natured demeanor across posting in an internet forum.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 03:51 PM
Arguing about what a long dead musician might or might not have thought about a long dead president...

Talk about much ado about nothing.

 

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Yet nothing has been presented that directly disproves the actual claim in the OP other than opinion. Again, Don't like the story attack the source....... Just saying

[Edited on 6/29/2011 by er1016]


If I was interviewed and said "I knew John Lennon and he once said to me that he hated burritos". Then someone writes an article stating JOHN LENNON DISGUSTED WITH ALL MEXICAN FOOD. What can really disprove the claim? You'd have to go through countless hours of interviews to find John Lennon saying "I love burritos".

Not to mention I think it WOULD be fair to discredit the source on that subject... what business do I have, even if I knew Lennon really well, preaching his thoughts 31 years after his death? If Lennon really hated burritos enough that he wanted the world to know it, he would have been preaching that before he died.

I have already stated that I have no problem with the statement. In fact I think it's quite probable that John Lennon liked Ronald Reagan and maybe I have even read that he had publicly said that somewhere. I even could care less if Lennon was a Democrat or a Republican... what his political beliefs were back then are pointless to my feelings towards anything...

but what I am disputing is that

#1) I am trying to discredit the source simply because I don't like that statement... because that is untrue. My initial point was just to share my perception on the article.

#2) That any of this really makes any difference with anything at this point. Unfortunately John Lennon is dead. There is no telling for sure what he'd be feeling about anything if he were alive. I know I personally view things very differently than 31 years ago.

If you really need me to back up my claim about Fred Seaman being an unreliable source, I can do that. I don't particularly want to make a big project out of this though...

Lastly, I mean all of this good-naturedly and am not trying to get into any big debate here, it's hard to get a good natured demeanor across posting in an internet forum.


Iím not arguing about anything, my statement wasn't directed towards you and I apologize if you took it that way. I was addressing the person that posted the unrelated article in an effort to somehow discredit the source (If that wasn't the purpose of the post then I stand corrected). I happen to think the article and its message are quiet interesting beyond that I really donít have an opinion one way or the other.





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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 04:11 PM
Hilarious.

 

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Hilarious.


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Hilarious.


Well as long as you're entertained, thats all that matters.


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What John Lennon was, was an "individualist", and he very much thought that people should think and act for themselves, and not trust politicians, or others to do the work for them, and that sounds like good advice to me. My guess is that if Lennon was still living, he would probably be somewhat of a Liberterian

Btw, here's one on Lennon's quote

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Produce your own dream,Ē he advised in lieu of getting involved in politics. ďIf you want to save Peru, go save Peru. Itís quite possible to do anything, but not if you put it on the leaders and the parking meters. Donít expect Carter or Reagan or John Lennon or Yoko Ono or Bob Dylan or Jesus Christ to come and do it for you. You have to do it yourself.


Btw, another famous rocker who admired Reagan was Neil Young.


It's not quite the full story, to say that Neil admired Reagan.

http://thrasherswheat.org/ptma/reagan.htm

Over the years, there's been a lot of speculation and commentary about whether Neil Young was actually a supporter of the United States President Ronald Reagan. Here are two interviews with Neil on the subject.
AMSTERDAM INTERVIEW - 1989

INT: You have been known to support Reagan, which a lot of fans thought you were going right wing, and then I think in Rolling Stone you said you weren't very fond of Bush. I was wondering why you apparently changed political views?

NEIL: Because that's only an apparent thing. I don't have a view, I have an opinion that changes because everyday is a different day. I'm not a liberal or a conservative. I'm not like that. With Reagan, some things he did were terrible, some things he did were great. Most people tend to take a president and say you hate...he does one thing you really don't like. Like he builds excessive amounts of warheads or something. So you write him off completely. Which I think is completely stupid. And I think, is very narrow minded.

Anyone can have an opinion and be right, like you don't want warheads on earth. I agree with that, but that is a decision that he made to do that and I disagree with that. On the other hand there are other things that he did that I agreed with. And because I had the ability to say what I feel, people only write part of it, because its news that I would agree with Reagan. So they say Neil Young supports Reagan, so **** 'em, I don't care what they do.

Everyday is different. Sometimes I like George, sometimes I don't like George Bush.
MTV "FAMOUS LAST WORDS" INTERVIEW - 1990

MTV: At one point when you were sort of in a country mode, you were sort of making noises about Ronald Reagan was a good guy...you sort of come around from that position too?

NEIL: I never made, you know, I was never a Reagan supporter in a total blanket sense. I was one of those who felt that some ideas he had were good ideas. He had one point that he was stressing in the first six months of his job that he thought the people in the communities and neighborhoods should pull together and try to do things on their own more than depending on government to do it for them. And I thought that was a hell of an idea and here's this old guy and he's kind of got this image, of this fatherly image, telling all these people in their neighborhoods to pull together and get your own daycare centers happening, and get this and that happening.

I thought that was a cool thing, I thought it was a good thing. So then I'm on my bus, someplace in some hell hole somewhere, playing some show and the good part of it is when I'm on stage and the bad part of it is the rest of it. And these two dorks come on my bus, I don't know how it happened, I swear to God, two jerks from some press service come on my bus and start asking me these questions and I just kind of burnt.

And these guys starting putting down Reagan left and right and everything and I looked at the guy and I said "You're an **** , you know, you don't know what the hell you are talking about cause you probably put down every damn president, you know, that ever lived. You're a president basher, that's all you do is if they win, they lose."

So I said the guy's got some good ideas, I stand behind the way he feels about this and that, and I told him...I said, I think you're full of **** for dismissing a person completely in every idea he has because he happens to be president and he makes some really stupid moves on one level, that I would never think of making. That doesn't mean that the guy didn't have some good ideas somewhere along the line maybe yesterday about something else.

So with the press, it's so hard, even though print is in black and white, it's so hard for them to make it clear what's really happening.

So here I am - Reagan supporter! [Neil throws up hands in mock humor sort of way while shrugging and shaking his head in disbelief.]

 

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Lennon voting for Reagan? I'd have never guessed he was such an extremist. He must not have been as smart as everybody thought.


There goes the whole conservatives not having any decent song writers argument.


He voted for Reagan and admired the man. Don't see where it said anything about him being a republican. Of course I can see how some people might want to make that leap. Besides, seems as if he wrote most of his really good songs while he was still a liberal so your statement doesn't hold water.

 

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There goes the whole conservatives not having any decent song writers argument.


He voted for Reagan and admired the man. Don't see where it said anything about him being a republican. Of course I can see how some people might want to make that leap. Besides, seems as if he wrote most of his really good songs while he was still a liberal so your statement doesn't hold water.


I never said republican, I said conservative, which can be on either side of the fence. But nice try.......

 

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  posted on 6/29/2011 at 08:04 PM
Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant 253

Maybe you didn't but it was the first line of the first post.

 

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I never said republican, I said conservative, which can be on either side of the fence. But nice try.......


Glad to see someone other than myself understands that conservative does not necessarily mean Republican. Fact of matter is, that with exception of Ron Paul, most republicans are RINOs and are not the least bit conservative, although they try to make people think they are. Basically, you can't be for "Big Government" and/or an "American Empire" and call yourself a conservative. Just my .02 cents.

 

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You know, there are probably a lot of closet Republicans among rock stars and other entertainers. After all, these guys (the big, BIG stars) are in the "top 1%". I'm sure that they, and a lot of the politicians who push for taxes on the wealthy seek every imaginable tax shelter out there.

As far as John Lennon goes, the guy was not an angel by any means. A great musician and songwriter - yes. Read most any autobiographical account of the Fab Four and you'll find that he could be a heartless a$$hole. There are tales of him making fun of people with disabilities all the way to being cruel and unkind to fellow musicians (see "My Dinner with Jimi"). I guess that just makes him a human being. Imagine!

 

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