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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 09:45 AM
For how long will our leaders and others try to sell this BS “Arab Spring”? This is the democratic change that is going on? These people are fcking disgusting. Um, yes, we didn't want the women to say that we sexually assaulted them......so we sexually assualted them.

Cairo (CNN) -- A senior Egyptian general admits that "virginity checks" were performed on women arrested at a demonstration this spring, the first such admission after previous denials by military authorities.

The allegations arose in an Amnesty International report, published weeks after the March 9 protest. It claimed female demonstrators were beaten, given electric shocks, strip-searched, threatened with prostitution charges and forced to submit to virginity checks.

At that time, Maj. Amr Imam said 17 women had been arrested but denied allegations of torture or "virginity tests."

But now a senior general who asked not to be identified said the virginity tests were conducted and defended the practice.

"The girls who were detained were not like your daughter or mine," the general said. "These were girls who had camped out in tents with male protesters in Tahrir Square, and we found in the tents Molotov cocktails and (drugs)."


The general said the virginity checks were done so that the women wouldn't later claim they had been raped by Egyptian authorities.

"We didn't want them to say we had sexually assaulted or raped them, so we wanted to prove that they weren't virgins in the first place," the general said. "None of them were (virgins)."

This demonstration occurred nearly a month after Egypt's longtime President Hosni Mubarak stepped down amid a wave of popular and mostly peaceful unrest aimed at his ouster and the institution of democratic reforms.

Afterward, Egypt's military -- which had largely stayed on the sidelines of the revolution -- officially took control of the nation's political apparatus as well, until an agreed-upon constitution and elections.

Mubarak denies ordering shootings

The March 9 protest occurred in Tahrir Square, which became famous over 18 historic and sometimes bloody days and nights of protests that led to Mubarak's resignation.

But unlike in those previous demonstrations, the Egyptian military targeted the protesters. Soldiers dragged dozens of demonstrators from the square and through the gates of the landmark Egyptian Museum.

Salwa Hosseini, a 20-year-old hairdresser and one of the women named in the Amnesty report, described to CNN how uniformed soldiers tied her up on the museum's grounds, forced her to the ground and slapped her, then shocked her with a stun gun while calling her a prostitute.

"They wanted to teach us a lesson," Hosseini said soon after the Amnesty report came out. "They wanted to make us feel that we do not have dignity."

The treatment got worse, Hosseini said, when she and the 16 other female prisoners were taken to a military detention center in Heikstep.

There, she said, she and several of other female detainees were subjected to a "virginity test."

"We did not agree for a male doctor to perform the test," she said. But Hosseini said her captors forced her to comply by threatening her with more stun-gun shocks.

"I was going through a nervous breakdown at that moment," she recalled. "There was no one standing during the test, except for a woman and the male doctor. But several soldiers were standing behind us watching the backside of the bed. I think they had them standing there as witnesses."

The senior Egyptian general said the 149 people detained after the March 9 protest were subsequently tried in military courts, and most have been sentenced to a year in prison.

Authorities later revoked those sentences "when we discovered that some of the detainees had university degrees, so we decided to give them a second chance," he said.

The senior general reaffirmed that the military council was determined to make Egypt's democratic transition a success.

"The date for handover to a civil government can't come soon enough for the ruling military council," he said. "The army can't wait to return to its barracks and do what it does best -- protect the nation's borders."

 
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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 10:18 AM
Its the only foreign activity that the administration can remotely spin into something significant and hopeful, so they and their allies in the press are going to run with it. Their election calculus probably says that we can get past the next cycle without this blowing up.

And when the new structure is built there, heavily canted towards the Muslim Brotherhood and more fundamentalist Islamic ideals, there won't be any real questions along the lines of "how could you not see this coming?!" And our billions will continue to be poured into another worthless endeavor, with no one facing the consequences of responsibility.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 05:53 PM
And Obama has already given his blessings & approval on it.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 06:35 PM
On virginity checks? If so, please cite a source.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 06:53 PM
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And Obama has already given his blessings & approval on it.
On virginity checks? If so, please cite a source.
thanks ... was wondering whether i was the only one hitting the disconnect on that accusation...

 

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  posted on 5/31/2011 at 10:10 PM
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On virginity checks? If so, please cite a source.


Impossible to cite a source that doesn't exist.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2011 at 02:10 PM
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/egyptian-women-protesters-forced -take-%E2%80%98virginity-tests%E2%80%99-2011-03-23

 

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  posted on 6/1/2011 at 04:48 PM
I've heard Obama over and over talk HIGHLY of the Arab Spring.And how we should support & encourage it.As far as the virgin checks go.I don't think i'd use the phrase Let It Eat loosely.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2011 at 06:07 PM
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I've heard Obama over and over talk HIGHLY of the Arab Spring.And how we should support & encourage it.As far as the virgin checks go.I don't think i'd use the phrase Let It Eat loosely.


I'm not making the connection that Obama supports the virginity checks. That's the subject for which I've asked for further clarification.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2011 at 02:15 PM
There needs to be basic human rights agreed upon internationally by all countries. I have read that some countries do have these virginity checks before issuing marriage licenses, that is a cultural thing relative to specific countries; but harassing people who are arrested and demanding they provide this proof, or submit to this is something that is forcible on them and on that basis should not be tolerated.

Re: The issuance of the marriage permits that is something specific to certain countries. It is offensive in my opinion, but it reflects the desires of the societies and cultures of the countries it is in effect in. The people in those countries would have to work with their legislatures to try to change that. Marriage is a voluntary thing, it is something you choose to participate in.

Prisoners on the other hand have no choice in what is levied upon them. Therefore, the international community at large needs to step in and say, NO you cannot enforce this on anyone. The status of the woman has no bearing on whatever she is incarcerated for. In the cases of rape, even then in many countries, the victims are blamed and punished. There needs to be human rights across the board for everyone.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2011 at 05:44 PM
As much as detest and dislike Obama. I am most certain that he would never back such policies.

 

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  posted on 6/5/2011 at 03:23 PM
RE: Arab Spring

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=25423

 

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