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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 05:22 PM
Five releases over almost 10 years, the last of which was over 3 years ago. Perhaps I've missed some type of semi-official word?
 
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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 07:43 PM
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Five releases over almost 10 years, the last of which was over 3 years ago. Perhaps I've missed some type of semi-official word?


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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 09:38 PM
Is the pope catholic?

 

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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 09:59 PM
Good things come to those who wait.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 10:03 PM
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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 10:08 PM
I'm waiting, for as long as I'm able to listen to music.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 12:38 AM
doesn't look good for one anytime soon
 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 07:29 AM
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Good things come to those who wait.


and wait and wait and wait............

Poor sales and missed opportunities come to those who wait. Can't buy the damned things when I'm dead.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:04 AM
I'd sure like to see them release more Duane era shows. There's plenty of folks who don't do the whole tape trading thing who would jump at the chance to own some of these shows. If they remastered and released say, one of the Warehouse shows, and then put the proper marketing push behind it, I'm sure it would sell well.

I think the real issue here is that the internet is killing album sales. There's not much in the way of music that you can't find for free online. Perhaps the powers that be are just going, "Well, if we go to all the expense to release this, someone will just put it on a P2P site the next day and no one will buy it."

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:20 AM
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I think the real issue here is that the internet is killing album sales.


But it has done wonders for downloads which the ABB rejected until very recently. It is also very cost effective for the artist. Many bands accomplish these archieve sales solely from their websites without any support at all from a company. Their fans were pleading for this and basically begging the band to take money and the response was a few stellar releases which just got the ABB addicts going and then they took away the drug.

This has long been a prime example of a bad decision from the band and its' management. You can't make money with tapes sitting in storage and no one gets to hear the beautiful music that way. The internet was/is a reality and needs to be embraced.

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:27 AM
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I think the real issue here is that the internet is killing album sales.


But it has done wonders for downloads which the ABB rejected until very recently. It is also very cost effective for the artist. Many bands accomplish these archieve sales solely from their websites without any support at all from a company. Their fans were pleading for this and basically begging the band to take money and the response was a few stellar releases which just got the ABB addicts going and then they took away the drug.

This has long been a prime example of a bad decision from the band and its' management. You can't make money with tapes sitting in storage and no one gets to hear the beautiful music that way. The internet was/is a reality and needs to be embraced.

Everyone loses.

I'm not sure what relationship the band has with the archival releases. If you look closely at the CD covers you'll see they dont say Allman Brothers Band. They say Allman Brothers Brand. I've always been curious about that.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:42 AM
That's just a play on words in the spirit of the covers, which is sort of a mock-product. Nothing fishy there.

I think it's criminal that we don't have more of those. I want the shows to cover the band's history. A few Duane shows, a few shows from the 5-man band era, a few Chuck shows, a 1979 reunion tour show, some Dreams-era stuff.

Run the gamut.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:49 AM
It is incredible what the Grateful Dead has released and continues to release from their vault. I bought the entire Europe 72 box set. I can't wait for the Fall release of it. Maybe they should get the Dead people involved.
 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:56 AM
Wasn't Kirk somewhat involved in the picks? Not sure what his involvement with the band is anymore.

That said, this program only is for the hard core fan group. How many Duane shows deviated from the
"set in stone" setlist? Yes I know him and Dickey played the solos differently each time, but again that translates to the hard core fan base, not to the casual fans. "Hmm, don't I have this same setlist on AFE?

The Dead vault series benefits from varied setlists for the most part. Which is a large part of the appeal. Not to mention complete shows. See how their Road Trip series has morphed?

Not sure why any '79 era shows haven't made the light of day.

As for any thing post '89, we most likely won't see that as they were under contract with Sony or one of their affiliates, and we know how great they are ...

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 09:07 AM
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Wasn't Kirk somewhat involved in the picks? Not sure what his involvement with the band is anymore.

That said, this program only is for the hard core fan group. How many Duane shows deviated from the
"set in stone" setlist? Yes I know him and Dickey played the solos differently each time, but again that translates to the hard core fan base, not to the casual fans. "Hmm, don't I have this same setlist on AFE?

The Dead vault series benefits from varied setlists for the most part. Which is a large part of the appeal. Not to mention complete shows. See how their Road Trip series has morphed?

Not sure why any '79 era shows haven't made the light of day.

As for any thing post '89, we most likely won't see that as they were under contract with Sony or one of their affiliates, and we know how great they are ...



You are correct with the setlists. But that hasn't stopped many from collecting all the shows that they can. How many of those people would pony up for a clear recording? All of them. But I see your point. So release a few treasures.

then Frank has the solution to the setlist issue by releasing shows from various eras.

As for the labels, that wouldn't be an issue as they do not own the rights to the shows. If there were issues, it didn't stop them from doing Instant Live releases with songs from that era. Let's face it. all eras draw and rely on those first three releases anyway.

I don't need hundreds of releases but a few would be nice.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 09:17 AM
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But it has done wonders for downloads which the ABB rejected until very recently. It is also very cost effective for the artist. Many bands accomplish these archieve sales solely from their websites without any support at all from a company. Their fans were pleading for this and basically begging the band to take money and the response was a few stellar releases which just got the ABB addicts going and then they took away the drug.

This has long been a prime example of a bad decision from the band and its' management. You can't make money with tapes sitting in storage and no one gets to hear the beautiful music that way. The internet was/is a reality and needs to be embraced.

Everyone loses.


I agree with 99% of what you said. The game has changed, and if bands want to keep making money they need to change the way they do business.

Personally, I think the best thing the band could do is to make an offical YouTube account, and put out a lot of this archival material that way. It doesn't cost the consumer anything, but the band will get paid by the number of views each video gets. Plus, it creates interest in your product from people you may have never reached before. Look at how many musicians there are out there these days who rose to fame through You Tube videos that turned viral.

And you nailed it - music sitting in a vault somewhere is a lose/lose proposition. The band isn't making any money off of it, and the fans aren't getting to hear it. It's better for everyone involved to release this stuff.

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 09:22 AM
Post 89 Dickey/Warren shows would be great releases but its all about the might dollar. As usual the fan loses out. I remember listening to the 12-31-1973 New Years Eve show on tape. Now why was that show never released? I guess the same answer. Money.
 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 09:23 AM
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As for any thing post '89, we most likely won't see that as they were under contract with Sony or one of their affiliates, and we know how great they are ...



I'm not sure about that, since I believe Sony only has the rights to studio projects that they funded. They don't have much say over something the band does outside of that.

I'm sort of suprised they never released the Ohne Filter show on DVD, or that PPV they did when Jack Pearson was in the band (1998?). Even ZZ Top ended up releasing their famous 1980 Rockpalast show on DVD.

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I'm not sure about that, since I believe Sony only has the rights to studio projects that they funded. They don't have much say over something the band does outside of that.

I'm sort of suprised they never released the Ohne Filter show on DVD, or that PPV they did when Jack Pearson was in the band (1998?). Even ZZ Top ended up releasing their famous 1980 Rockpalast show on DVD.

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Both prime examples of releases that could be out there right now.

As for the post 89 era, a big problem is that there are so many of those shows that are traded soundboard recordings. They stopped allowing them to be leaked sometime in the mid 90s and then for some reason they reappear again during Jack's stay with the band.

Sure they could be touched up a bit but most are about as good as they will ever get. Which is awesome. But I don't see myself shelling out too much cash there.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 09:54 AM
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Personally, I think the best thing the band could do is to make an offical YouTube account, and put out a lot of this archival material that way. It doesn't cost the consumer anything, but the band will get paid by the number of views each video gets.

No, that's not how YouTube works. YouTube is a free site, and you don't get money from people viewing your videos. You're describing how On Demand TV works. The only way to make money from YouTube videos is to show ads, which looks awful, annoys your viewers, and probably pays a pittance. The alternative is to host the videos yourself, which lets you keep more of the advertising money but probably costs a significant amount of money if you get real viewership. I don't know how much useable, watchable video of the ABB there is, but the known videos of Duane are heavily bootlegged. It's hard to imagine a lot of people paying money to watch those online.

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Look at how many musicians there are out there these days who rose to fame through You Tube videos that turned viral.

They're the exception, not the rule.

The archive releases were really cool. I doubt they made much money for the band, partly because the band has never paid a lot of attention to its fans from this standpoint. So that means the band doesn't have much reason to support the archive releases further, which means the fans are neglected even further. It really sucks.

 

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The only way to make money from YouTube videos is to show ads, which looks awful, annoys your viewers, and probably pays a pittance.


Maybe I'm weird, but I'll put up with a couple of ads to check out some cool music. And you're correct that they only pay a pittance, but that ads up when you get 5 or 10 million views. That would pay a lot more than what the band is currently getting from these recordings, which is zero.

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 10:28 AM
Bill Frisell does it ( live downloads ) from his site.
As much as I love Frisell...I'm not sure that the audience
for his downloads is any larger/smaller than the ABB.

It can be done.....but I'm sure that I'm not aware of all of the
not so obvious hidden costs that creep into the equation.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 10:41 AM
How in the world would any Allman related vid get 5-10 million views on you tube? Those numbers are so completely unrealistic its not even funny.
 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 11:04 AM
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is the ABB Archival Release program dead?


It was ever alive?

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 11:12 AM
Live Duane and/or Berry era stuff released as both major label and archive releases:

Fillmore East, 1970
Live At the Atlanta Pop Festival
At Fillmore East + bonus material on the Fillmore Concerts
Eat a Peach live material
Bonus second disc for Eat a Peach 6/27/71
Ludlow Garage
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12/13/70
9/19/71
8/17/71
2/11/71

What else am I missing? The band didn't vary their setlist though I would admittedly be a buyer for another high sound quality Duane era show. A HQ 1979 release would be amazing too.

What's interesting is that they never released 8/26/71 A&R Studios performance in it's entirety. It has better sound quality than almost every archive release (and Ludlow and others). Maybe they just thought it was too widely circulated and might not sell because of it.

 

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