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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 01:52 PM
Over the weekend I went to see Roger Water's new interpretation of The Wall.It is the first time in about 10 years that I have been in one of the large shed like venues and it will be my last.
I had good seats and when the show started I was impressed for about the first couple of mins.The sound and pyrotechnics where fantastic but after that though the staging was cleaver and some of the use of animation was well done, I felt very uncomfortable with the the use of real war victims in the images.I know permission will of been asked but I still felt uneasy also the constant lambasting of the corporate world which I know sucks but to see people boo the McDonalds and Merc logo's whilst drinking their Pepsi and Carlsburg and sat in a corporate sponsered venue seemed very disingenuous.
The music was also very average nothing new added and it sounded so slick with no emotion.Then there was the main man himself what has happened to the moody Waters of old? what we got instead was an arm waving air punching old man like watching someones dad who has been watching video's Freddie Mercury and Paul Rogers.
And that brings me to the audience after paying £100 why do people talk the whole way through a performance and when not talking have to get up for 10 beers in a 2 hour performance with an interrmission.The audience felt like a load of people who this week go and see the Wall and next week go and see Lady GaGa and the week after watch The X Factor.It was "music for people who don't like music".
Maybe I am getting old and maybe these shows are not aimed at someone like me anymore.Has anybody else seen the show? and am I missing the point.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 02:01 PM
I loved the show, actually liked it a lot more then I actually like the wall album.
I see where you are coming from and your interpretation makes sense, but for me it was truly an amazing experience.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 03:55 PM
I saw the show and actually loved it (I am also easily amuzed/entertained!!). Although, like you say, I think the irony is lost on many people, i.e. drinking their large plastic Coke bottles while wearing the Wall concert T-shirt after paying nearly $200 for a ticket to see the show in the WAMU Theatre or something like that (I think WAMU is gone now actually).

I thought the war dead shown was very tastefully done. I spoke to one of the guy’s who did the production one night and I asked how they got all of those pictures of the war dead. I guess they actually had a website where they asked people to send in loved ones. So they definitely had permission. I was sort of far away from the stage, but I could have sworn I saw a kid from my hometown that was killed in Iraq on The Wall. I was actually pretty much in tears during Bring the Boys Back Home. I thought that was powerful stuff.

I also liked how they showed not only allied or coalition forces killed, but also Axis powers and other “enemies” who died. I took it more as a shot at the madmen/politicians who lead the world to war, and who institutionalize hate so that we are all afraid of each other.

 

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  posted on 5/23/2011 at 07:05 PM
I'm not into politics injected into rock 'n' roll at all, that's why I didn't go last year when Waters was in San Jose and I'm sure I would have felt a lot like the guy who started this thread.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 08:05 AM
I thought it was spectacular and I wasn't even all that pumped on going. Seen Waters amny times and was going to pass. A friend got me a ticket anyway and I am thrilled he did.

If any artist is going to charge some outrageous price then they better have the sound and production that Waters did. The sound alone set it apart from all other arena shows. I was impressed. The music is why I am there in the first place and it sounded stellar. Hard to believe that I was in an arena.

the show itself was so well done from a technical standpoint that again it out does any other current uses of video and lighting. Not an inch of spill over/under of the images projected on the Wall. The technical perfection of the crew is to be applauded.

Hey if the whole military angle isn't for you, I can get that but it is the Wall. Kinda have to expect that. The irony of the concept of the Wall and Waters playing large venues has always amused me.

As for the improv angle of the music, you will never get it with a show that technical plus I believe the goal was to be as close as possible to the album. Great band and they nailed it.

As far as Waters goes, the only show that came close for me was The Pros and Cons tour with Clapton on guitar. Another great one and I credit Roger for getting Clapton off his ass and playing some guitar. Remains one of the best shows that I have seen from Clapton.

I know a few people who have had relatives displayed on the Wall during the tour. They love the fact that Roger gave them to opportunity to send in pics and info on loved ones. Sign of Honor and Respect for Fallen War Heroes. If you felt uncomfortable then that means it worked as I believe the goal was to make people feel that way and realize what a waste of human life that is.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 11:23 AM
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I thought it was spectacular and I wasn't even all that pumped on going. Seen Waters amny times and was going to pass. A friend got me a ticket anyway and I am thrilled he did.

If any artist is going to charge some outrageous price then they better have the sound and production that Waters did. The sound alone set it apart from all other arena shows. I was impressed. The music is why I am there in the first place and it sounded stellar. Hard to believe that I was in an arena.

the show itself was so well done from a technical standpoint that again it out does any other current uses of video and lighting. Not an inch of spill over/under of the images projected on the Wall. The technical perfection of the crew is to be applauded.

Hey if the whole military angle isn't for you, I can get that but it is the Wall. Kinda have to expect that. The irony of the concept of the Wall and Waters playing large venues has always amused me.

As for the improv angle of the music, you will never get it with a show that technical plus I believe the goal was to be as close as possible to the album. Great band and they nailed it.

As far as Waters goes, the only show that came close for me was The Pros and Cons tour with Clapton on guitar. Another great one and I credit Roger for getting Clapton off his ass and playing some guitar. Remains one of the best shows that I have seen from Clapton.

I know a few people who have had relatives displayed on the Wall during the tour. They love the fact that Roger gave them to opportunity to send in pics and info on loved ones. Sign of Honor and Respect for Fallen War Heroes. If you felt uncomfortable then that means it worked as I believe the goal was to make people feel that way and realize what a waste of human life that is.


I agree with your assessment. I saw it at MSG in November and was completely overwhelmed with the visuals and almost felt that there was too much information flashing on the wall during the show. I loved the band and felt it was spot on.
My friend who went with me had the opposite opinion. It was distracting and annoying to him that he was bombarded by all of the visuals and simply wanted to see a concert of the musicians and not a broadway musical performance. He was annoyed by the fact that the wall obliterated the band.
This is a good thread because it does point out the legitimate pros and cons of the show.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 11:27 AM
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My friend who went with me had the opposite opinion. It was distracting and annoying to him that he was bombarded by all of the visuals and simply wanted to see a concert of the musicians and not a broadway musical performance. He was annoyed by the fact that the wall obliterated the band.
This is a good thread because it does point out the legitimate pros and cons of the show.


Your friend was obviously out of the loop as to what the Wall performance is. Pink Floyd did the same show originally except that now the video and effects are much better. But hoping to see a group on stage for the full show was never going to happen. Roger's whole concept was to have the band playing behind that wall. I would have thought that most going to the show would know that. Guess not.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 01:04 PM
agree on many of the points, pros and cons (of hitch hiking) already posted.

but there's one left out:


not enough acid ingested... that'll shut people up quick

although i will admit, The Wall on 'cid is a pretty intense trip. i've done the movie that way (Fox Theater, after the PF light show - yowsa!!!) as well as flat on my back in a dark room of cohorts, and it took us out there. kinda one of those things you do once, cuz it's there, and don't need to revisit it in that mindframe again.

i wish i'd had the dough to check it out in ATL last fall; from all the reviews, it was indeed like nothing else, and the technology finally caught up with Rog's vision (or was it Reg?)

The Wall... you'll never get over it.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 01:38 PM
OK...here goes...

Saw the show twice, once at Nassau Coliseum (home of the original US Wall shows), and once at Madison Square Garden. Bought the tix to MSG after seeing it at Nassau. I had to take my 14 year-old son to see it; as there is nothing I've ever seen like it, and likely nothing in his lifetime which will rival it.

First off, it is not a concert. It is a multi-media extravaganza. It is a Broadway Show on steroids laced with acid. It is not a concert.

This is not Pink Floyd. (As I'm typing this, In the Flesh is playing on XM). This is a Roger Waters show piece. This is hired guns playing a musical score note by note to the original. There is no "heart or soul" in the music being played by the band. Or, if there is, it's not the same "heart and soul" that comes from Gilmour, Wright & Mason.

This is on a different level completely from a run of the mill concert. The level of technology used alone was worth the price of admission. CD quality sound in an arena - consistently from venue to venue. The visuals were astounding. The use of the typical round screen behind the band began what became a visual orgy through use of the entire wall as a projection screen. The technology was such that each individual brick could have it's own picture on it at any given time. Sections of the wall could have pictures. The entire wall could have one scene. Truly amazing.

The music was The Wall. If anyone expected differently, then that's on them. But, it was not Gilmour, Wright & Mason's Wall. This was Roger's Wall with virtuoso musicians playing from sheet music. It was an unrivaled production.

Roger has lost some of that anger that made him Roger many years ago. However at many points he became a character in The Wall production, rather than just being himself. He dons the lether jacket and performs the psudo-nazi hammer symbols throughout that section of the show. He appears in a "hotel room" scene that opens up from the wall mirroring the scene in the movie. He ably voices the entire "Trial", while sitting on the side of the stage allowing the video from the movie to tell the story.

The special effects, explosions, inflatables, etc are all front and center as well throughout the show.

The "war" part and the "corporate" part didn't affect me in the least because I knew what the wall was all about & I fully expected that side to come out. That's what it's about after all, so it should be expected. It's entertainment, after all, and because some "artist" wants to make social statements throughout their work doesn't make it bad or good. I take it at face value & enjoy the music.

The tickets were mid-level back straight from the stage at both venues and both were in excess of $100. $110 @ Nassau & $125 @ MSG. The crowds were extremely different as well. Saturday night at MSG was date night I guess, as there was a lot more talking & texting going on. Reminded me of a Saturday night at the Beacon . Tuesday at Nassau, not a complete sell-out, was more the tried & true PF fans.

This, as I stated earlier, was a major production of the most amazing kind. It struck me more as what a symphony is (as far as the music), as it is talented people playing someone elses music. Sure Roger was there, and played a bit too, but the bulk of PF's music was always the "other guys". This symphony was just different in that we got the actual guy who wrote most of it to sing along.

This was the best $ I ever spent on a concert (twice), and I would shell it out again if he was to return to the area.

Mike

[Edited on 5/24/2011 by whrfrt9677]

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 01:53 PM
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 02:35 PM
Attended one of the shows during this tour and loved it. And was extremely moved by certain parts of the show. I have long been a fan of Pink Floyd as well as of Roger Waters and David Gilmour and their 'solo' projects. What Roger has done here I think is amazing.

 

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  posted on 5/24/2011 at 03:22 PM
Saw the show in NJ and loved it. Stellar production. Especially the sound. Even at $ 100.00 a pop I don't know how he turned a profit on it with all the production and union costs involved.

I went on a week night and was actually surprised that the crowd was attentive and engaged throughout. I've come to expect lame crowds at non ABB/Mule or non jam/blues based concerts of late but the meadowlands crowd was with Roger for the duration.
I too thought the war references were tastefully done. I'm sure he put a lot of thought into it. That footage of the girl being surprised by her dad coming home on leave in the class room gets me every time. I don't look for that stuff at ABB or Radiators shows but you know what your getting when you see the Wall.

I think the story has a lot of loose ends but it makes you think and even if it gets a typical concert going drunk knuckle head to consider some things I think Waters accomplished what he set out to do.

That said. I don't really need to see it again. At least this same tour. It's not the same as wondering just what the hell Derek or Warren are going to pull out of a hat next at an ABB show.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2011 at 06:44 AM
One of the greatest spectacles I have seen. Waters pulls the show off magnificently. I thought the updated version made sense and was real. So glad I saw it.
 

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  posted on 5/25/2011 at 07:51 AM
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Maybe I am getting old and maybe these shows are not aimed at someone like me anymore.Has anybody else seen the show? and am I missing the point.


I think you must have missed the point. 10 out pf 10 people responding loved it. The only guy feeling the same didn't see the show. Personally I am amazed that you felt that way as you mention the sound, lighting and effects were great.

Did you not know that they sent them along as a surrogate band?

They want to find out where the fans really stand.

 

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  posted on 5/25/2011 at 12:28 PM
Yes it looks like I am on my own on this one,as I said I just didn't get it.

 

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